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#451 Mc_Silver

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 20:42

I think Red Bull has 0.2 on anyone. Vettel is the clear favourite for pole but lewis, webber, alonso and button will have to fight for 2nd and 3rd. I hope we will be at least 2nd and 3rd. Our race pace looked pretty competitive

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#452 BigCHrome

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 21:07

Practice pace looked good in Japan/India/Korea too but in reality the car wasn't even a match for freaking Ferrari.

Same thing will happen this weekend as well as next.

And Whitmarsh once again had the nerve to open his big mouth after AD saying that McLaren's improved form was to stay :down:

Edited by BigCHrome, 16 November 2012 - 21:14.


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 22:02

RB have this, but I think we haven't showed our pace yet. I'm more interested in FP3 tomorrow.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 23:16

RB have this, but I think we haven't showed our pace yet. I'm more interested in FP3 tomorrow.


Yeah, hopefully we can get on the podium, win looks out of reach.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 00:17

There was an interesting fact brought up on the Sky F1 show... I didn't know they were swapping the chassis around between the drivers.

The feature was about the paint shop and they had Georgie Thompson working on the car Hamilton picked up the astroturf with.. she then signs the car and it's still there but this weekend it's Button's car.

Sam Michael said they have four chassis end they get swapped around..

It's pretty trivial but I'd be curious if and/or how many teams operate like that.



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Posted 17 November 2012 - 00:22

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:47

Never ever heard about that, swapping chassis' around. Infact most drivers have one chassis they favour, even if they're supposed to be the same.



#458 peroa

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 13:37

Never ever heard about that, swapping chassis' around. Infact most drivers have one chassis they favour, even if they're supposed to be the same.

Well, that's McLarenWhitmarsh equality policy at its best.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:02

If that's part of his equality policy, he's become hysteric about it.
I remember DC temporarily had to run a different chassis, and that "even if they're the same, you develop a certain feel with a specific one", and that he was looking forward to get his prefered chassis back.

Edited by race addicted, 17 November 2012 - 15:02.


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#460 Peter Perfect

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:27

I'm sure there's a site somewhere that has a record of which driver had which chassis for a particular race (Forix? I don't have access at the moment) It'd be interesting to know how much they've been swapped round as like everyone I've never heard of this being done before.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:36

It is correct! From the European GP, when Button debuted chassis #4, they've swapped between chassis #3 and #4!
I checked forix, Peter P, thanks for the tip.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:39

It is correct! From the European GP, when Button debuted chassis #4, they've swapped between chassis #3 and #4!
I checked forix, Peter P, thanks for the tip.


I am tempted to say that this is :drunk:

But we never would have known except for Georgie and the drivers are not complaining .... but it does seem an odd thing to do

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:43

Well, that's McLarenWhitmarsh equality policy at its best.

I remember in 2010 I said it looked to me like they were swapping around the base set up of the car each weekend from one LH preferred to one JB preferred and back again as on alternate race weekends one driver would be publicly happy with the car after FP1 and the other would not - and I noticed that this alternated for about the first 10 - 12 races of the 2010 season. I remember people laughing at the idea - but in light of this new oddity from Macca, I would love to know what other nonsense they have been doing in the name of "equality" that has yet to come out.

#464 Peter Perfect

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:44

I am tempted to say that this is :drunk:

But we never would have known except for Georgie and the drivers are not complaining .... but it does seem an odd thing to do

It's a bit strange but I'm presuming they have a good reason for it. And like you say neither driver has mentioned it as an issue or anything else.

If any journo is reading this...please ask McLaren!

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:27

wow the upgrades doing wonders :rolleyes: not looking good so far

wow the upgrades doing wonders :) looking good so far

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:29

Jenson would have been up there too, not on Lewis pace but for constructors we could have had both cars ahead of ferrari.

Lets go for the win!

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:33

I`ll miss Lewis next year... that was amazing qualifying lap by him, just 1 tenth behind Vettel. It was unbelievable as I tought RBR will be half a second ahead.

Lewis will have all chances for a good result tomorow, but the question is how much MP4-27 will last until it breaks down just like it did with Button today. Shame! Real shame, and they trying to tell us that there is no tendency, but the fact is that this is 6th race in a row... unacceptable.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:33

I though Vettel was going to smash everyone with his pole lap time, but Hamilton gave him a good run. I truly am sad that McLaren is losing Hamilton and no one can tell me the MP-28 true pace will be revealed next year. No disrespect to Button or Perez, but when it comes to quail..LH is approaching God mode.

Wonderful lap from him. Pity about Button (another reliability issue again !!) I hope McLaren sort these out before next year. Its been like 6 races now where something has gone wrong with the car , thats quite poor from a top team.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:34

with such great lead driver like Button and calm driver that is so tempered like Perez I predict great season for McLaren... :)

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:36

Lewis will have all chances for a good result tomorow, but the question is how much MP4-27 will last until it breaks down just like it did with Button today. Shame! Real shame, and they trying to tell us that there is no tendency, but the fact is that this is 6th race in a row... unacceptable.


And before that: 7 races of operational blunders.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:40

Stonking (strange expression!) lap from Hamilton!
Without wanting to be a prick, I think it was just as well Button didn't reach Q3, for his own ego. The gap would've been very big I think.

Optimistic about the race!

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:41

Wrong car got the reliability problem, McLaren can't even get that right

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:44

Stonking (strange expression!) lap from Hamilton!
Without wanting to be a prick, I think it was just as well Button didn't reach Q3, for his own ego. The gap would've been very big I think.

Optimistic about the race!



Yep, JB was saved another weekend of blushes. He is probably relieved he didn't make it into Q3.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:59

Wrong car got the reliability problem, McLaren can't even get that right

I am tired of reading the same rubbish coming from you, give it a rest for christ sake.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:03

And to think that Lewis is going and Whitmarsh is staying...

Well, here is to hoping Hamilton's car will make it till the end of the race tomorrow! That is not too much to ask for, right?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:05

Next time they swap chassis, FeckMarsh needs to pay closer attention to the serial numbers!

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:08

Right if they swap chassis how did Lewis get the one with the broken rear twice in a row?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:09

Martin Whitmarsh will be on Jalopnik to answer questions from F1 fans, car enthusiasts and trolls alike:

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:32

MW: "As for Lewis's race prospects, well, you may be well sure that he'll be tremendously determined to go one better tomorrow than he did today. In a nutshell, he'll be aiming to win. He did a good long run yesterday, so, although we never under-estimate our opposition, there's no reason why he shouldn't do just that."

Positive thinking is one thing, but saying "there's no reason" after the recent failure rate is pushing it, I reckon!

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:50

Where's all the rage against McLaren over Jenson's car failure? Ron didn't look all that happy.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:58

If i was Jenson I would seriously consider starting from the pitlane...he's said that, and i agree completely, there will be a huge chance of him getting caught up in the chaos of the first corner starting from 12th..

There's a good chance of a safety car on this tight circuit and he can go for a race set up..

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:17

Tight circuit?
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:01

Where's all the rage against McLaren over Jenson's car failure? Ron didn't look all that happy.


I've given up critizing them longtime ago, I honestly hope its result of putting resources into 2013. season, though I'm not entirely convinced it is :(

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:46

Where's all the rage against McLaren over Jenson's car failure? Ron didn't look all that happy.


Quiet resignation to the fact that the car is unreliable compared to its rivals. Is anyone surprised anymore?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:54

rage only happens when its Hami's turn for the weekend tech failure.....

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:55

Where's all the rage against McLaren over Jenson's car failure? Ron didn't look all that happy.


Having a 3-4 problems a year is normal. Everybody had them. The problem is if something goes wrong every race and it costs the team the WDC. At these point everything is irrelevant.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:35

rage only happens when its Hami's turn for the weekend tech failure.....


Or perhaps when the team is leading, and the failure happens while the driver is still in with decent chance of winning the championship?




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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:47

wow the upgrades doing wonders :) looking good so far


:-) touche

well lewis doing small miracles again, without him next year, oh dear oh dear

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:32

If i was Jenson I would seriously consider starting from the pitlane...he's said that, and i agree completely, there will be a huge chance of him getting caught up in the chaos of the first corner starting from 12th..

There's a good chance of a safety car on this tight circuit and he can go for a race set up..


Pitlane start would allow a change in gear ratios for easier overtaking - currently McLarens are not all that good on top speed.

Re safety car, there is a lot of run-off, but on the other hand there is at Abu Dhabi, and here the track seems particularly slippery.

If Jenson did start from the pitlane, I don't think he would have Vettel's kind of luck, but why not try it, nothing to lose.

But McLaren won't do it.



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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:32

:-) touche

well lewis doing small miracles again, without him next year, oh dear oh dear

 ;)

Yep, next year will be difficult for McLaren no doubt. Hamilton didn't want to stay no matter what was offered and there were no other drivers of Hamiltons calibre on the market. But fingers crossed Perez turns out to be a diamond and their reliability issues are solved, while Hamilton finds reliability and happiness at Mercedes.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:34

I find it strange this is happening to McLaren now. They've had a really reliable car for the last couple of years. But suddenly the car has mechanical failures all over the place.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:35

Pitlane start would allow a change in gear ratios for easier overtaking - currently McLarens are not all that good on top speed.

Re safety car, there is a lot of run-off, but on the other hand there is at Abu Dhabi, and here the track seems particularly slippery.

If Jenson did start from the pitlane, I don't think he would have Vettel's kind of luck, but why not try it, nothing to lose.

But McLaren won't do it.

True. Like you say there's little to lose (especially considering the slippery start) but McLaren are a conservative team at heart.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:39

I find it strange this is happening to McLaren now. They've had a really reliable car for the last couple of years. But suddenly the car has mechanical failures all over the place.

And none of the systems that fail seem to be related to each other. I really can't work out what's changed. The fuel pump that failed on both cars had apparently been used for years without issue. Are they running the car hotter than they have before?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:42

And none of the systems that fail seem to be related to each other. I really can't work out what's changed. The fuel pump that failed on both cars had apparently been used for years without issue. Are they running the car hotter than they have before?


What has changed? One man, Sam Michael.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:44

What has changed? One man, Sam Michael.


Lose of Pat

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:44

:-) touche

well lewis doing small miracles again, without him next year, oh dear oh dear



http://twitter.com/L...106265663979520

However the reliability is still a question mark!

About the next season... I expect an awful season for McLaren without, imo, the best driver they had since Mika Hakkinen.

Edited by Alarcon, 18 November 2012 - 12:48.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:48

http://twitter.com/L...106265663979520


Could it be that the multiple mistakes mean that the car is more difficult to control? I'm not sure that I would take Davidson too seriously...


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:50

What has changed? One man, Sam Michael.

True, he's wrecked Williams and now he's doing it to McLaren as well.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:03

If i was Jenson I would seriously consider starting from the pitlane...he's said that, and i agree completely, there will be a huge chance of him getting caught up in the chaos of the first corner starting from 12th..

There's a good chance of a safety car on this tight circuit and he can go for a race set up..


On the flipside if there is a first corner incident and he gets through clean he could be in the top 6 at the end of the first lap, and if there is no incident or safety car and he starts from the pitlane and cannot pass cars due to the nature of the track it would look silly. And with the circuit lacking grip I don't think they want to take any wing out, so it would only be gear ratios that they would change for overtaking on the straight.

Rosberg I feel should take a gamble, take a new engine even (as much for Brazil as for here) and start from the pitlane, but Jenson is far enough ahead that it is a 50/50 whether it would help somewhat or hurt a lot, so better to start as is I'd believe.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:16

On the flipside if there is a first corner incident and he gets through clean he could be in the top 6 at the end of the first lap, and if there is no incident or safety car and he starts from the pitlane and cannot pass cars due to the nature of the track it would look silly. And with the circuit lacking grip I don't think they want to take any wing out, so it would only be gear ratios that they would change for overtaking on the straight.

Rosberg I feel should take a gamble, take a new engine even (as much for Brazil as for here) and start from the pitlane, but Jenson is far enough ahead that it is a 50/50 whether it would help somewhat or hurt a lot, so better to start as is I'd believe.


Gear ratios would be the big thing, but a new engine wouldn't hurt. In Abu Dhabi, McLaren had no straight-line speed. Jenson had to take Maldonado under braking even though there were 2 DRS zones and Mal had no KERS (apparently). Same thing in India, DRS didn't help much.

McLaren is geared for running at the front. Even if Jenson got lucky in turn 1 and found himself in top 6, it's hard to see how he would make any further progress.

Edited by BillBald, 18 November 2012 - 14:17.