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#551 rodlamas

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:20

Lewis will be back in 2014.

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#552 argiriano

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:34

A race to remember!
Amazing job by the whole team - Lewis was fenomenal hunting down Vettel, and the team replicated his stunning performance in the pit with that 2,4sec pit stop. Jenson had amazing race either, and his fight with Kimi was the fight of the year - hard but fair!
Absolutely amazing performance from McLaren this Sunday. Well done! :up:

PS: It`s a shame that MP4-27 will not have any title on it`s belt for the future to prove how good this car really was!

#553 Bartel

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:38

I have never noticed Lewis has a tattoo?

#554 jrg19

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:43

I have never noticed Lewis has a tattoo?


Yup they appeared before India, I expect a sleeve before the start of next season considering he has plenty healing time.

#555 sportingcp

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:56

Does anyone have a picture of Gordon Ramsay watching the race at the McLaren garage yesterday?

#556 meddo

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:57

Lewis will be back in 2014.

You think?

#557 ViMaMo

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:28

Good to see Lewis/Mclaren take a victory so badly deserving.

#558 Anonymous

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:09

Lewis will be back in 2014.


I have the same feeling. :lol:

#559 race addicted

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:13

Doing just one season at Mercedes? I strongly doubt that. Very strongly. He'll gave them more of a chance than that.

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#560 jrg19

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:14

2015 at earliest.

#561 encircled

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:23

Do you guys think if the next race will be wet, McLaren will be strong? I remember the MP4-27 struggling back then during the wet qualifying session back in Silverstone and Hockenheim.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:24

2015 at earliest.

Even if things no worky out at Stuttgart and the drinks company continue their upward trajectory and McLaren continue snatching defeat after defeat from the jaws of victory, I think not.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:29

Do you guys think if the next race will be wet, McLaren will be strong? I remember the MP4-27 struggling back then during the wet qualifying session back in Silverstone and Hockenheim.


Hard to tell with so little wet running since they evidently struggled pretty badly. I can't really find a reason why they'll suddenly be obvious front-runners in the wet, 'cause afterall they have been at both ends in both inters- and full wets conditions.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:47

Hard to tell with so little wet running since they evidently struggled pretty badly. I can't really find a reason why they'll suddenly be obvious front-runners in the wet, 'cause afterall they have been at both ends in both inters- and full wets conditions.

Thanks for the thoughts. Guess I'll just have to wait then, if it rains in Brazil.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:55

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#566 Rocket73

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:58

Well, as predicted they didn't do it.

Jenson found himself near the back on lap 1, he could have been at the back but with a better car for overtaking, a wasted opportunity really.

Starting on hard tyres on the wrong side of the track, there was never much chance that Jenson would gain places at the start, except by some really fluky piece of luck (and that seems to happen to other people).

Great drive by both Lewis and Jenson.


we will never know but he was limited for top speed for sure...whether he would have done better than 5th is doubtful though i think..

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 13:18

Does anyone have a picture of Gordon Ramsay watching the race at the McLaren garage yesterday?

I don't but I'm convinced Ramsays presence was a key factor in that both cars ran flawlessly on Sunday. :cool: Just the thought of being in the receiving end Ramsays wrath made the McLaren mechanics check everything one more time....

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 13:36

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Great to see his mom and dad there. Fortunes are always positive for Lewis when they are in his garage.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 13:43

Great to see his step-mom and dad there. Fortunes are always positive for Lewis when they are in his garage.


Fixed :)

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 13:47

Will McLaren still use the Verizon livery in Brazil? Lewis won both races this year with Verizon livery.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 13:49

Lewis will be back in 2014.


At the moment Lewis seems extremely happy to be leaving McLaren. In fact, ironically, I think it's the main reason he's driving so well ATM.

I would expect him to give Merc a year or two before looking elsewhere. If Red Bull made him an offer after losing Vettel, he would probably jump at that chance, but I don't think Vettel is going anywhere unless Ferrari up their game.



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Posted 19 November 2012 - 13:54

we will never know but he was limited for top speed for sure...whether he would have done better than 5th is doubtful though i think..


Starting at the back and breezing past everyone, vs starting in lower midfield and being continually repassed by cars which were quicker in a straight line - I think it's no contest.

Maybe (just maybe) podium would have been out of reach.



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Posted 19 November 2012 - 14:05

At the moment Lewis seems extremely happy to be leaving McLaren. In fact, ironically, I think it's the main reason he's driving so well ATM.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 14:07

Will McLaren still use the Verizon livery in Brazil? Lewis won both races this year with Verizon livery.

And then two more with Vodafone livery. So, it¨s fifty-fifty chance he will win it...

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 14:11

And then two more with Vodafone livery. So, it¨s fifty-fifty chance he will win it...


His win rate with the Verizon livery is 100%. That's what he meant.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 14:12

And then two more with Vodafone livery. So, it¨s fifty-fifty chance he will win it...

IIRC it is only in Montreal and Austin where McLaren used the Verizon livery so it is 2/2 with that livery unless I'm wrong.

Thanks slmk, that's what I meant.

Edited by encircled, 19 November 2012 - 14:14.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 14:59

Do you guys think if the next race will be wet, McLaren will be strong? I remember the MP4-27 struggling back then during the wet qualifying session back in Silverstone and Hockenheim.

So much has changed since there's last been a wet quali or race. Who knows.

If we go by Silverstone/Hockenheim/Malaysia, Mclaren were very quick in the wet in certain conditions, but kind of like its been all year - seems like they can fall out of that window fast.

Anyways, great job by Lewis. Button was pretty good, too. :up:

At the moment Lewis seems extremely happy to be leaving McLaren. In fact, ironically, I think it's the main reason he's driving so well ATM.

If he did badly, people would say its because he's leaving Mclaren and doesn't care.

More simple explanation I think is that Lewis is just a very good driver. He's been driving well all year.

Edited by Seanspeed, 19 November 2012 - 15:01.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 16:20

IIRC it is only in Montreal and Austin where McLaren used the Verizon livery so it is 2/2 with that livery unless I'm wrong.

Thanks slmk, that's what I meant.


When did McLaren used the Verizon livery in Montreal?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 16:37

When did McLaren used the Verizon livery in Montreal?

Sorry, I mistook it from 2011. I thought they used the same livery in 2012. Please disregard my question.

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#580 BillBald

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 17:04

If he did badly, people would say its because he's leaving Mclaren and doesn't care.

More simple explanation I think is that Lewis is just a very good driver. He's been driving well all year.


If Lewis had been fired by McLaren, and then drove badly, that would make some sense, but that's not the situation.

I suspect that Lewis made up his mind early in the season that he was going to leave McLaren, and that's why he hasn't been affected by all the screw-ups, which actually have made his mind more settled, by confirming that he was making the right choice.

Of course Lewis has every reason to keep trying, he's telling Merc that they need to make him their effective no. 1. At the same time, Lewis is motivated to prove to McLaren that they made a mistake by not giving him everything he wanted.





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Posted 19 November 2012 - 17:15

If Lewis had been fired by McLaren, and then drove badly, that would make some sense, but that's not the situation.

I suspect that Lewis made up his mind early in the season that he was going to leave McLaren, and that's why he hasn't been affected by all the screw-ups, which actually have made his mind more settled, by confirming that he was making the right choice.

Of course Lewis has every reason to keep trying, he's telling Merc that they need to make him their effective no. 1. At the same time, Lewis is motivated to prove to McLaren that they made a mistake by not giving him everything he wanted.

It would still make some sense because according to your theory, Lewis was unhappy in the team, which usually doesn't make a racer drive better.

Everything you're saying is just speculation after speculation after speculation. The idea that Lewis is unhappy in the team, that he's driving better than he was before, that he's trying to get no.1 status at Mercedes, that Mclaren didn't give Lewis what he wanted, etc.

I reckon my simple explanation describes things just as easy without needing all this excess speculation.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 17:45

I'm pretty sure they had Verizon livery in Canada for 2012 as well..

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 17:57

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What area was Verizon located?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 18:14

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What area was Verizon located?


Hmm, interesting. I guess they didn't.

#585 BillBald

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 19:31

It would still make some sense because according to your theory, Lewis was unhappy in the team, which usually doesn't make a racer drive better.

Everything you're saying is just speculation after speculation after speculation. The idea that Lewis is unhappy in the team, that he's driving better than he was before, that he's trying to get no.1 status at Mercedes, that Mclaren didn't give Lewis what he wanted, etc.

I reckon my simple explanation describes things just as easy without needing all this excess speculation.


It seems to me that your simple explanation explains nothing. Lewis wasn't any less good a driver in 2011, but he seemed to be much more upset when the team messed up. In fact even in 2010 he was sometimes a bit bad-tempered on the radio.

This year McLaren seemed to be trying to set a record for the most mistakes by any team in a season, and Lewis has been absolutely relaxed about it. This year Lewis smiles more when he retires than he smiled last year after a win or pole.

You may not like my explanation, or speculation as you describe it, but let's hear yours...

#586 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 19:35

Verizon was last year

#587 Rocket73

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 19:56

presumably no upgrades for this race?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 20:15

If Lewis had been fired by McLaren, and then drove badly, that would make some sense, but that's not the situation.

I suspect that Lewis made up his mind early in the season that he was going to leave McLaren, and that's why he hasn't been affected by all the screw-ups, which actually have made his mind more settled, by confirming that he was making the right choice.

Of course Lewis has every reason to keep trying, he's telling Merc that they need to make him their effective no. 1. At the same time, Lewis is motivated to prove to McLaren that they made a mistake by not giving him everything he wanted.


I actually think it was more that he had the car to fight and only from singapore onwards did Seb pull away in the championship. What did his head in in 2011 was he didn't feel he had a chance.

Then his demeanour was strange at races like monza sue to the pressure of making a decision and since then it's been all smiles because a weight has been lifted of his shoulders, a) he's made his mind up b) he's escaping a situation that wasn't making him happy for whateever reason and has a new challenge c) he can now appreciate the team and they can appreciate him, as you do when something is ending.

My guesses anyway

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:01

I actually think it was more that he had the car to fight and only from singapore onwards did Seb pull away in the championship. What did his head in in 2011 was he didn't feel he had a chance.

Then his demeanour was strange at races like monza sue to the pressure of making a decision and since then it's been all smiles because a weight has been lifted of his shoulders, a) he's made his mind up b) he's escaping a situation that wasn't making him happy for whateever reason and has a new challenge c) he can now appreciate the team and they can appreciate him, as you do when something is ending.

My guesses anyway


It's my feeling that the decision was made much earlier. This season history repeated itself, and it became clear to Lewis that McLaren weren't going to deliver a WDC. In 2011 he still had some chance of the WDC, until McLaren messed up in Monaco, first by leaving it too late in quali, then with another pitstop farce. And this year it happened again, with bad pitstops in Bahrain followed by being sent to the back of the grid in Spain. This time, instead of getting upset and ranting about racist stewards, Lewis just decided he was going to leave McLaren. I think he found that decision was a big relief, and the weight was lifted from his shoulders at that point.

I think he felt a lot of pressure around Spa/Monza, because McLaren seemed to be finally coming good, so his decision to leave was starting to look ill-judged. But then McLaren again showed that they weren't going to get it right, so Lewis relaxed again, he wasn't making a mistake after all.





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Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:06

Verizon was last year


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:22

It seems to me that your simple explanation explains nothing. Lewis wasn't any less good a driver in 2011, but he seemed to be much more upset when the team messed up. In fact even in 2010 he was sometimes a bit bad-tempered on the radio.

This year McLaren seemed to be trying to set a record for the most mistakes by any team in a season, and Lewis has been absolutely relaxed about it. This year Lewis smiles more when he retires than he smiled last year after a win or pole.

You may not like my explanation, or speculation as you describe it, but let's hear yours...

That is my explanation - he's just a very good driver. Thats why he does well. Doesn't have much of anything to do with his feelings about the team, or the time period he chose to leave the team. He's just been consistently performing well basically since he came in in 2007. I also wouldn't say he's been more relaxed towards the team at all. I still notice that he still has his frustrated moments over the radio every once in a while, but thats not anything that's out of the ordinary.

I dunno, I just think its a simpler explanation than having to come up with all these assumptions and judging somebody's state of mind by how many inches his smile was(I know thats an exaggeration, but some people have come close to that level of analysis here) and whatnot.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:38

MW admits that pitlane errors and reliability problems have cost McLaren a chance at the titles this year.

"We have underperformed. We haven't done a good enough job in a number of different ways, but we've had a quick car and that is an achievement.

"We have done some good things but we haven't nailed it in the way I would have liked.

"We have to get better at everything we do and that is what we will aim to do over the winter, and aim to see if we can have an epic season next year."

Well, at least he's not in denial... Admitting the problem is a first step to finding solutions.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:24

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/20403485

Perez, 22, has recently conducted a fitness test to which McLaren submit all their drivers and it proved he is a long way short of the physical condition of Hamilton and his team-mate Jenson Button.

Looks like a tough winter for Perez.

#594 jjcale

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:49

Im curious .... who was LH's race engineer for the last race?

#595 F1ultimate

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:51

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/20403485

Perez, 22, has recently conducted a fitness test to which McLaren submit all their drivers and it proved he is a long way short of the physical condition of Hamilton and his team-mate Jenson Button.

Looks like a tough winter for Perez.


I never knew F1 drivers work hard until I saw this photo of Lewis on the Monday after the Monaco Grand Prix. The guy weigh barely nothing and is bench pressing 65kg which is just a few kilos shy of his own body weight. Finland boot camp for Perez then.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:08

It's my feeling that the decision was made much earlier. This season history repeated itself, and it became clear to Lewis that McLaren weren't going to deliver a WDC. In 2011 he still had some chance of the WDC, until McLaren messed up in Monaco, first by leaving it too late in quali, then with another pitstop farce. And this year it happened again, with bad pitstops in Bahrain followed by being sent to the back of the grid in Spain. This time, instead of getting upset and ranting about racist stewards, Lewis just decided he was going to leave McLaren. I think he found that decision was a big relief, and the weight was lifted from his shoulders at that point.

I think he felt a lot of pressure around Spa/Monza, because McLaren seemed to be finally coming good, so his decision to leave was starting to look ill-judged. But then McLaren again showed that they weren't going to get it right, so Lewis relaxed again, he wasn't making a mistake after all.

Probably the best explanation for all the events that I've come across. :up:

Whatever his reasons for going, it is clear a massive weight has been lifted. I don't think I've seen Hamilton look so happy and relaxed since 2009/2010.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 16:17

Whatever makes them feel good...
:rolleyes:
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#598 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 16:21

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They were talking about Verizon being on the car in Canada.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 20:03

The guy weigh barely nothing and is bench pressing 65kg which is just a few kilos shy of his own body weight.

Which isn't all that impressive, really.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 20:07

Which isn't all that impressive, really.


(If he runs series with 65kgs, that's not bad at all. I doubt 65 is his maximum press.)