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#601 Seanspeed

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 20:19

(If he runs series with 65kgs, that's not bad at all. I doubt 65 is his maximum press.)

True, you gotta take his routine into account.

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#602 ArkZ

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 20:21

Whatever makes them feel good...
:rolleyes:
http://www.mclaren.c...-prix-wins-list


1st win Bruce McLaren 1968 Belgium
50th Alain Prost 1986 Monaco
100th Ayrton Senna 1993 Brazil
..the most important drivers/persons in McLaren history, and now...
150th Fernando Alonso 2007 :lol: I guess team would prefer Hamilton in this place ,it was in the famous Monaco GP in 2007.

#603 superdelphinus

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 20:30

I bet looking at that list drives Ron mad, not going perfectly from mp4-1 to mp4-27!

Edited by superdelphinus, 21 November 2012 - 20:31.


#604 Anonymous

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 21:24

Whatever makes them feel good...
:rolleyes:
http://www.mclaren.c...-prix-wins-list


You have some serious problems :rotfl:

#605 Mc_Silver

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 22:51

I believe this new FW is primarily introduced to improve our race pace. It looks like it worked as expected. Both Lewis and Button were very quick in the race which is postive sign. I hope Interlagos will be dry. I expect Button to be very close to Lewis there hopefully we will make 1-3 at least and finish 2nd in WCC.

#606 skakavac111

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 22:53

1st win Bruce McLaren 1968 Belgium
50th Alain Prost 1986 Monaco
100th Ayrton Senna 1993 Brazil
..the most important drivers/persons in McLaren history, and now...
150th Fernando Alonso 2007 :lol: I guess team would prefer Hamilton in this place ,it was in the famous Monaco GP in 2007.


200th Lewis Hamilton????
:clap: :clap: :clap:


#607 scheivlak

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 23:37

1st win Bruce McLaren 1968 Belgium
50th Alain Prost 1986 Monaco
100th Ayrton Senna 1993 Brazil
..the most important drivers/persons in McLaren history, and now...
150th Fernando Alonso 2007 :lol: I guess team would prefer Hamilton in this place ,it was in the famous Monaco GP in 2007.

As we all know Ron very much wanted to be sure that Fernando would win that one - almost as much as Lewis wanted to win there :D
It's there that all the animosity started.....

#608 Anonymous

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 00:09

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#609 robefc

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 00:35

True, you gotta take his routine into account.


He's got a good arch in his back but he really needs to lose the pad around the centre of the bar.

I would say I hope that's his warm up weight but then they are all little guys so maybe it's not so bad :p

Interesting thought - I wonder how important fitness actually is in F1, I mean if Perez is a long way short of JB and LH has it actually affected is performances in anyway or is the whole thing overblown I wonder?

Edited by robefc, 23 November 2012 - 00:38.


#610 ElDictatore

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:24

http://f1zoom.fx1.nl...b...=621&full=1


Looks like they have the old wing again. Wondering if it's some kind of high and low-DF Setup? Maybe Weather?

#611 JRizzle86

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:09

You have some serious problems :rotfl:


He does indeed.

#612 jrg19

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:16

Lewis using the new front wing.

#613 jrg19

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:53

Looking pretty good, you'd think they will switch Jensons set up back to high DF tomorrow.

#614 onewingedangel

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:01

I think the idea was that a low-downforce setup would make overtaking along the pit straight and into t1 easier (where there is no DRS), but it seems to lose too much time over the lap overall to be worthwhile, and if you do overtake at that point it would open up being repassed under DRS anyway.

All that plus the threat of rain makes the higher downforce package the better choice.

#615 slmk

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:09

I think the idea was that a low-downforce setup would make overtaking along the pit straight and into t1 easier (where there is no DRS), but it seems to lose too much time over the lap overall to be worthwhile, and if you do overtake at that point it would open up being repassed under DRS anyway.

All that plus the threat of rain makes the higher downforce package the better choice.


That reminds me of the strategy in Brazil 2008 that almost cost Lewis the WDC...

#616 BillBald

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:20

I think the idea was that a low-downforce setup would make overtaking along the pit straight and into t1 easier (where there is no DRS), but it seems to lose too much time over the lap overall to be worthwhile, and if you do overtake at that point it would open up being repassed under DRS anyway.

All that plus the threat of rain makes the higher downforce package the better choice.


It's so clearly the better choice that it's hard to understand why they wasted Jenson's FP2 time.

NB in FP1, Jenson was similar to Lewis in speed trap, 10kph slower than in FP2.


Edited by BillBald, 23 November 2012 - 18:20.


#617 Kvothe

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:42

It's so clearly the better choice that it's hard to understand why they wasted Jenson's FP2 time.

NB in FP1, Jenson was similar to Lewis in speed trap, 10kph slower than in FP2.


On Skysports Lewis implied it was Jenson's decision to try to the Spa rear wing, that he was of the belief you need as much downforce as you can pile on at Interlagos and said (to paraphrase) that Jenson would probably head back in his direction set-up wise.

#618 amppatel

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:55

On Skysports Lewis implied it was Jenson's decision to try to the Spa rear wing, that he was of the belief you need as much downforce as you can pile on at Interlagos and said (to paraphrase) that Jenson would probably head back in his direction set-up wise.


Smarter and faster, what more could you want?

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 19:30

Maybe some pics are deceiving, but I believe this is the most camber I can remember seeing on the McLaren this year.

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#620 Peter Perfect

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 19:45

On Skysports Lewis implied it was Jenson's decision to try to the Spa rear wing, that he was of the belief you need as much downforce as you can pile on at Interlagos and said (to paraphrase) that Jenson would probably head back in his direction set-up wise.

As long as they find these things out in practice then there's no problem. FP1 showed the car's strong here, it just depends on how the track evolves during the weekend...and what it's like in the wet.

#621 Kvothe

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 19:53

As long as they find these things out in practice then there's no problem. FP1 showed the car's strong here, it just depends on how the track evolves during the weekend...and what it's like in the wet.


I agree, I was just responding to the implication in BillBald's statement, that it was McLaren who wasted his time.

#622 Dalton007

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 20:00

Smarter and faster, what more could you want?


Just like in Belgium, eh?;)

It's practice. :wave:

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 20:25

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 20:28

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#625 Absulute

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 20:48

:cry:

#626 TurboF1

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 20:54

Posted this in the Lewis thread, but it belongs here as well..

The sad truth about the MP4-28 will be that no matter how well the two drivers do in it, you'll have pretty strong evidence based on the last 3 years that there will be time "left on the table" at the end of Q3. Even if Button or Perez sticks it on pole, i'll always have the nagging feeling that "Lewis wouldve gotten more out of it". McLaren will sorely miss that benchmark, because the days when Lewis didnt get the max (or more than Button did at least) out of the cars potential pace are few and very far between. Sure there was the occasional time Button outqualified Lewis on pure pace, but by and large, Lewis ended up ahead of Jenson, a fair amount of times by quite a large margin also. Imagine if Lewis wasnt in the MP4-27 this year, and all we had to judge it by was Buttons best results! We'd mostly be saying that this car is incredibly inconsistent, one minute, a world beater, the next, Its trundling along between the 3rd and 6th rows.


McLaren... Sheesh!

#627 BillBald

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 20:54

I agree, I was just responding to the implication in BillBald's statement, that it was McLaren who wasted his time.


Well, I doubt that Jenson makes these decisions entirely on his own, so you could say that it was Jenson and his engineers who messed up.

But it does seem to be a feature of the way McLaren is run, that there is no voice of common sense.

I can't imagine that, if Vettel talked about trying low downforce, someone wouldn't have talked him out of it.



#628 Enkei

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:00

What's that large device on the left hand camera mounting on Lewis' car?

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:15

The car will win this race.

Hamilton will win it if won´t rain, when the car should be slower than in dry.

I think Vettel will be the new WDC.

But Hamilton miss the best chance perhaps in his life to win an WDC, his worst luck this year was amazing!

#630 jrg19

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:18

What's that large device on the left hand camera mounting on Lewis' car?


Thermal/infrared camera, pointing at the left rear.

#631 Absulute

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:28

The car will win this race.

Hamilton will win it if won´t rain, when the car should be slower than in dry.

I think Vettel will be the new WDC.

But Hamilton miss the best chance perhaps in his life to win an WDC, his worst luck this year was amazing!


I agree, he should have the Championship wrapped up by now.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:33

I agree, he should have the Championship wrapped up by now.


Totally agree, and im really sad about them :(

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:35

I agree, he should have the Championship wrapped up by now.



Shit dont get me started... I find myself occasionally just getting (ir)rationally PISSED off at McLarens incompetence this year. From the ****ed up pit stops for the first third of the year, the operational/strategy errors, plain bad luck (Germany tire popping) and the piss poor reliability it's quite appalling really. This world championship shouldve been over with at least 2 races to spare, but instead, here we are, ruing what could've been. It pisses me off to no end. :mad:

#634 Viktoria

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:50

Shit dont get me started... I find myself occasionally just getting (ir)rationally PISSED off at McLarens incompetence this year. From the ****ed up pit stops for the first third of the year, the operational/strategy errors, plain bad luck (Germany tire popping) and the piss poor reliability it's quite appalling really. This world championship shouldve been over with at least 2 races to spare, but instead, here we are, ruing what could've been. It pisses me off to no end. :mad:


Not only you!! Lewis drove this year ... like a realy WDC!! He didnt made any mistakes.. gosh where could he be???

#635 bogi

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:51

I think we all elaborated how mclaren ruined this season, can we change the tune please.

#636 TurboF1

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:55

Not only you!! Lewis drove this year ... like a realy WDC!! He didnt made any mistakes.. gosh where could he be???



2X WDC at least... 3 if the wheel rim hadnt failed back at Catalunya 2010, (or a few other instances) but goddamn, if this year isn't an open goal that McLaren have wasted I don't know what is... Er, actually, I do, 2003, 2005, 2007 all spring to mind as well.

Why do I still support this team? :rolleyes: I guess about 20 years is too long...

#637 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 23:31

Not only you!! Lewis drove this year ... like a realy WDC!! He didnt made any mistakes.. gosh where could he be???



Good said!!!

Hamilton this year is in BAD LUCK MODE: ON ):

Every year there is a WDC, but don´t a great WDC.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 23:32

Based purely off the pace of the cars, this season has been Mclaren's to lose, and they have managed to do so, spectacularly.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 23:36

Based purely off the pace of the cars, this season has been Mclaren's to lose, and they have managed to do so, spectacularly.



:( :mad:

If only I could argue in their defense.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 02:58


"Will Mclaren cost Lewis Hamilton the World Championship?"

Never Forget!

#641 slmk

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 13:28

McLaren will get eaten alive on race day with so little downforce.

I would have expected McLaren to shave off some kph from Lewis' top speed... instead they've increased their top speed by 3-4 kph.

#642 Lemans

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 14:15

Sky mentioned Button has changed the rear wing to the same type Lewis is using.



#643 amppatel

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 14:23

Why is JB faster than LH? Something is very wrong...

#644 rodlamas

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 14:28

McLaren will get eaten alive on race day with so little downforce.

I would have expected McLaren to shave off some kph from Lewis' top speed... instead they've increased their top speed by 3-4 kph.


This is called gearing.

#645 slmk

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 14:29

This is called gearing.


Fair enough, then since there's no DRS on race day, why don't you make the gears shorter?

#646 ElDictatore

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 15:45

Fair enough, then since there's no DRS on race day, why don't you make the gears shorter?



Maybe it was even too short for non-DRS use? Maybe they had just tried different settings.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:02

Fantastic job, car looks great today! Let's get that #2 in WCC :)

#648 BernieEc

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:03

HAMMY!!!!

#649 alg7_munif

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:04

Great job guys, let's end the season on a high!

#650 ElDictatore

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:05

Marvelous!! Come on give Hammy a 1-2! Hammy only driver who was always in Q3 this season.
Oh and Hülk!