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#401 pingu666

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 06:24

I think you gain more with a balanced setup that gives the driver confidence, than lol crazy oversteer, because its really hard to get on the power, or your having to be on edge making constant corrections.

its very rare in nascar for a crazy loose car to be fastest, and it would in theory be far more viable there than in f1 or a downforce formula like indycar for example.

normaly a decent setup will have abit of slow speed oversteer, and then blending to abit of high speed understeer. idea being its more useful to over rotate at low speed, and that understeer at high speed helps you position the car and let it flow at highspeed

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#402 whitevisor

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 15:48

Having a more over steer capable makes the car able to grip in a wider range of corner shapes and corner speeds over the lap. The downside is that the driver has to be able to control the greater instability in the car that comes with it.

#403 EvanRainer

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 16:03

Oversteer does not equal unstable. It also depends on what you mean by oversteer. I think some here are confusing front oversteer which is basically more front bite than needed and how easy it is to rotate the car.

And there is no direct correlation between how easy it is to rotate the car and how stable the rear is either. Just because you may be able to slide the rear easier doesn't mean it is unstable.

#404 BillBald

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 16:08

I think you gain more with a balanced setup that gives the driver confidence, than lol crazy oversteer, because its really hard to get on the power, or your having to be on edge making constant corrections.

its very rare in nascar for a crazy loose car to be fastest, and it would in theory be far more viable there than in f1 or a downforce formula like indycar for example.

normaly a decent setup will have abit of slow speed oversteer, and then blending to abit of high speed understeer. idea being its more useful to over rotate at low speed, and that understeer at high speed helps you position the car and let it flow at highspeed


Bolded is completely correct, that is what you want if you can achieve it.

But it would need some clever design work. And you have the complicating factor of different fuel loads.





#405 maverick69

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 18:13

F1 cars...... Dynamic Instability and Oversteer...... The fastest way to get around a track..... Lewis........ Paddy Lowe...... and a pretty good blog article:

http://mccabism.blog...nstability.html



#406 Bartel

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 19:49

Can we take oversteer vs understeer vs neutral to another thread please...

#407 pingu666

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 21:40

Bolded is completely correct, that is what you want if you can achieve it.

But it would need some clever design work. And you have the complicating factor of different fuel loads.


chassis for low speed, aero for highspeed :)

#408 mp4x

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 21:58

I know it’s off topic but for those of you who didn’t read it:
http://www.netcarsho...012-p1_concept/
I wish the Formula One car and team were just like that and the car had that much DF compared to other cars.



#409 Raziel

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 14:20

Vodafone are celebrating the US Grand Prix by changing the livery on the cars to Verizon Wireless. Here is a sneak preview:

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#410 jrg19

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 14:20

McLaren to run Verizon livery in Austin?

Raziel beat me to it!

Edited by jrg19, 14 November 2012 - 14:21.


#411 Timstr11

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:33

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#412 LookButDontStare

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:04

looks like the 27 will be running the new front wing from testing this weekend,any other updates?

#413 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:12

That's a complete waste of the Vodafone money, imo. I know they're a joint venture but if 60-70million people are watching worldwide and less than a million in one country, you'd favour the majority brand. You could still have Verizon on the car in a smaller role, like they did at Canada last year and I think Monaco(?).

#414 amppatel

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:17

That's a complete waste of the Vodafone money, imo. I know they're a joint venture but if 60-70million people are watching worldwide and less than a million in one country, you'd favour the majority brand. You could still have Verizon on the car in a smaller role, like they did at Canada last year and I think Monaco(?).


People notice change...

#415 slmk

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:17

That's a complete waste of the Vodafone money, imo. I know they're a joint venture but if 60-70million people are watching worldwide and less than a million in one country, you'd favour the majority brand. You could still have Verizon on the car in a smaller role, like they did at Canada last year and I think Monaco(?).


1 - It's only on the car. Overalls / team name, etc. will still show Vodafone.
2 - Vodafone just got a fat dividend from Verizon so they probably feel better about it.

#416 cooper

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:07

It looks like they are going to run the new FW from testing to

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#417 Mc_Silver

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:19

McLaren generally brings new FWs for the last races to experiment their next season design so I believe we will have similar front wing in 2013. Let's hope it works as expected :)

Edited by Mc_Silver, 15 November 2012 - 12:19.


#418 TheSpecialOne

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:23

Is that nose ever so slightly concave? Or is it the light?

#419 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:36

It's the reflection of what it's hanging from.

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#420 cooper

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:36

McLaren generally brings new FWs for the last races to experiment their next season design so I believe we will have similar front wing in 2013. Let's hope it works as expected :)

Hopefully, although it isn't the wing I am worried about. Let's just hope for a double car finish in the points!

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:39

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#422 jrg19

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 13:11

I don't think Jenson and Lewis are running Vodafone on their helmets maybe Verizon logos?

Hope the front wing gives us what we need for the win!

#423 amppatel

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 13:21

I don't think Jenson and Lewis are running Vodafone on their helmets maybe Verizon logos?

Hope the front wing gives us what we need for the win!


We already have a car capable of the win, without the new front wing.

#424 jrg19

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 13:22

We already have a car capable of the win, without the new front wing.


Not at Japan, India or Korea.

#425 amppatel

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 13:29

Not at Japan, India or Korea.


Yea three out of how many? A new front wing is not our main issue!


#426 jrg19

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 13:59

Yeah there have been bigger issues but a new front wing could be that little extra performance that allows us to have a deserved easy win.

#427 10e10

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:30

Yeah there have been bigger issues but a new front wing could be that little extra performance that allows us to have a deserved easy win.


Let's hope you add at least one star to your signature until the end of they year.

#428 jrg19

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:37

Let's hope you add at least one star to your signature until the end of they year.


:up:

Shame that at one point I thought I might have 6 or 7!

#429 amppatel

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:40

:up:

Shame that at one point I thought I might have 6 or 7!

What are the stars for?


#430 jrg19

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:42

Lewis' Victories in car number 4.

#431 10e10

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:51

:up:

Shame that at one point I thought I might have 6 or 7!


It should have been, Singapore and Abu Dabhi still haunt me.

#432 OoxLox

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 21:38

It's the reflection of what it's hanging from.


Ah... getting warmed up for the usual "it's a hole" vs "it's a reflection" winter testing fun again? :cat:

#433 BigCHrome

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:22

I don't understand the new front wing. Why are they taking off the r-shaped winglet? Feels like a step backwards.

#434 Peter Perfect

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:34

I don't understand the new front wing. Why are they taking off the r-shaped winglet? Feels like a step backwards.

Why? What do the r-shaped winglets do?

#435 Lazy

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:35

Why? What do the r-shaped winglets do?


:)

#436 BigCHrome

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:39

Why? What do the r-shaped winglets do?


Of course I wouldn't know for sure, but they are most likely guiding air towards the underbody. Red Bull, Sauber and Merc have all included them to their front wings so they must have some positive effect on the car.

#437 Peter Perfect

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:45

Of course I wouldn't know for sure, but they are most likely guiding air towards the underbody. Red Bull, Sauber and Merc have all included them to their front wings so they must have some positive effect on the car.

Could they just be unsuited to this type of track? (i.e. for the McLaren, different cars have different aero philosophies so they may still be fine for RB/Sauber/Merc/...)

Edited by Peter Perfect, 16 November 2012 - 08:04.


#438 superdelphinus

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:01

Changing the corporate logo: celebrating the mclaren way

#439 10e10

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:45

Changing the corporate logo: celebrating the mclaren way


What do you mean? Which logo?

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#440 Gintonious

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 15:25

Car looks a bit weird with Verizon on it, its on the team wear as well isnt it?

#441 10e10

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 15:29

Car looks a bit weird with Verizon on it, its on the team wear as well isnt it?


Yes it is. Only in the naming of the team they kept the Vodafone name.

#442 jrg19

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 15:37

Instant speed from Lewis.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:20

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:29

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I see hints of RBR and Lotus philosophy in that new front wing.

#445 slmk

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 20:05

I don't know what happened to Lewis's speed from FP1 to FP2 but the car is sliding everywhere, McLaren doesn't seem like they are using their DRS in Turn 2 at all (lack of DF relative to Ferrari and RBR?) and they will be annihilated on the long straight by the Ferraris and Others should they fail to qualify on their frirst two rows.

RBR schooling everyone in S1.

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#446 Peter Perfect

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 20:07

I don't know what happened to Lewis's speed from FP1 to FP2 but the car is sliding everywhere, McLaren doesn't seem like they are using their DRS in Turn 2 at all (lack of DF relative to Ferrari and RBR?) and they will be annihilated on the long straight by the Ferraris and Others should they fail to qualify on their frirst two rows.

RBR schooling everyone in S1.

Tyre temps?

#447 f1rules

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 20:11

wow the upgrades doing wonders :rolleyes: not looking good so far

#448 10e10

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 20:13

wow the upgrades doing wonders :rolleyes: not looking good so far


RedBull are in another league. He don't stand a chance, unless they up their game a lot tomorrow, and usually it's RedBull who does that.

#449 Peter Perfect

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 20:20

wow the upgrades doing wonders :rolleyes: not looking good so far

Maybe they should put some speed holes in them  ;)

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 20:39

...atleast the long-runs at the end now looked very encouraging. Quickest, but you've always got to take that with a pinch of salt. However with Senna just eight tenths back there's a part of me that thinks McLaren has a good deal to gain ones more optimised for qualifying. (Yes, the same may STILL apply to REd Bull....)