Jump to content


Photo

Hamilton:" Vettel misses 4 apexes and still gets pole"


  • Please log in to reply
272 replies to this topic

Poll: Hamilton:" Vettel misses 4 apexes and still gets pole" (266 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you think?.

  1. Hamilton it's right. (157 votes [59.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.25%

  2. Sour grapes. (103 votes [38.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.87%

  3. Other. (5 votes [1.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.89%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#1 kosmos

kosmos
  • Member

  • 6,611 posts
  • Joined: December 06

Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:50

Read the quotes, he also said good things about Vettel.


“I think lots of people in the paddock wish they could have Adrian’s car so they could show that they’re just as competitive as Sebastian,” Hamilton said. “Fernando, for me, is more accurate. He hits all the apexes [the racing line through a corner].

“Sebastian misses four apexes on a single lap and still goes quickest. He goes off and he still goes quickest. And I think ‘Holy crap, I couldn’t do that lap even if I was on the limit’. His car is just that far ahead of everyone else’s.”




“I think he’s a true champion,” Hamilton said. “He’s polite, he’s never in trouble, he’s squeaky clean and a genuinely nice guy. He speaks incredibly well and carries himself really well. And at the end of the day you have to do the job even if you do have the best car.”

“He qualifies really well, he pulls out fantastic gaps. But when your car is that far ahead it’s easier to do that.”


http://www.telegraph...ian-Vettel.html

Advertisement

#2 sailor

sailor
  • Member

  • 585 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:57

Read the quotes, he also said good things about Vettel.








http://www.telegraph...ian-Vettel.html

Jealosy thread wud ve been the correct thread for it to go

#3 decoder

decoder
  • Member

  • 105 posts
  • Joined: October 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:58

lol, Hamilton is right. Last race both Redbull drivers had poor laps yet locked out the front row.

#4 toofast

toofast
  • Member

  • 463 posts
  • Joined: October 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:08

Next year a lot more drivers will miss 4 apexes and still be faster than him. :lol: . Hopefully I'm wrong though.

#5 kosmos

kosmos
  • Member

  • 6,611 posts
  • Joined: December 06

Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:28

Jealosy thread wud ve been the correct thread for it to go



I know but it's closed.

#6 GotYoubyTheBalls

GotYoubyTheBalls
  • Member

  • 301 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:33

Hamilton is such a hack. Is he forgetting this year hes had a better car than seb and hes been schooled?

#7 Sakae

Sakae
  • Member

  • 19,256 posts
  • Joined: December 03

Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:50

I wonder what Webber really thinks about all this Alonso/Hamilton talk about Vettel, while he sits in equal machinery.

#8 DarthWillie

DarthWillie
  • Member

  • 1,702 posts
  • Joined: November 07

Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:58

Boy it must really hurt RB prefering Webber over himself. Every race complaining how inferior his car is. Just a little man desperately trying to convince the world and himself he is superior.

#9 GotYoubyTheBalls

GotYoubyTheBalls
  • Member

  • 301 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:02

Boy it must really hurt RB prefering Webber over himself. Every race complaining how inferior his car is. Just a little man desperately trying to convince the world and himself he is superior.


:up:

#10 ViMaMo

ViMaMo
  • Member

  • 5,022 posts
  • Joined: September 03

Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:03

Next year a lot more drivers will miss 4 apexes and still be faster than him. :lol: . Hopefully I'm wrong though.


:lol:


#11 SpaMaster

SpaMaster
  • Member

  • 5,856 posts
  • Joined: October 08

Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:12

Read the quotes, he also said good things about Vettel.


http://www.telegraph...ian-Vettel.html

He may be effusive in his praise for Vettel's character, but nothing like it when it comes to his driving. Anyway missing 4 apexes and going off are over-exaggeration. It's good for him that he thinks lot of people could be as competitive as Vettel in Red Bull. But he is in for a rude awakening if he ever goes up against Vettel in the same car. The fact is Hamilton wanted to drive for Red Bull, but Red Bull said 'No thanks, we would continue with Vettel'. This is a bit of loose talk and is quite disrespecting of Vettel's driving skills.

If he continues to win multiple championships and Hamilton and Alonso continue along the same vein, Vettel would not be one of the many others, but rated even higher those two. Only the British fans and Spanish fans tend to rate Vettel less than those two. His championships and wins speak for themselves in most parts of the world.

Edited by SpaMaster, 03 November 2012 - 06:15.


#12 lbennie

lbennie
  • Member

  • 1,903 posts
  • Joined: May 09

Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:23

this isn't a spec series lewis.

does he forget he had a faster car than 90% of his competitors in his first 2 years in the sport.

sour grapes indeed.



#13 aray

aray
  • Member

  • 2,566 posts
  • Joined: September 09

Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:25

only Lewis and Alonso haters tend to to think Vettel is better than them....

I always want to see him pair with either of them...his ballons will be busted...:wave:

#14 ashley313

ashley313
  • Member

  • 224 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:33

As lewis rightly knows, clipping the apexes you see on a racing line diagram is not always the fastest way round a circuit. How you string corners together is where your lap time comes from. Sometimes you fudge a corner to get a better exit to the next bit. It all depends on what the car setup favors, and your driving style. Lewis knows that, hes just being cheeky and jumping on the "its all Adrian" bandwagon that seems to be exceeding its capacity right now.

#15 BigCHrome

BigCHrome
  • Member

  • 4,049 posts
  • Joined: July 10

Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:41

As lewis rightly knows, clipping the apexes you see on a racing line diagram is not always the fastest way round a circuit. How you string corners together is where your lap time comes from. Sometimes you fudge a corner to get a better exit to the next bit. It all depends on what the car setup favors, and your driving style. Lewis knows that, hes just being cheeky and jumping on the "its all Adrian" bandwagon that seems to be exceeding its capacity right now.


Wrong.

#16 decoder

decoder
  • Member

  • 105 posts
  • Joined: October 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:51

He may be effusive in his praise for Vettel's character, but nothing like it when it comes to his driving. Anyway missing 4 apexes and going off are over-exaggeration. It's good for him that he thinks lot of people could be as competitive as Vettel in Red Bull. But he is in for a rude awakening if he ever goes up against Vettel in the same car.



Hamilton has watched Vettels 36 year old team mate out qualify him 7 times this season. That's not impressive and I think Vettel would be in for a rude shock if Hamilton ever sat next to him in the same car, if he's finding a driver like Webber so competitive.

#17 jk

jk
  • Member

  • 1,750 posts
  • Joined: November 00

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:07

lol, Hamilton is right. Last race both Redbull drivers had poor laps yet locked out the front row.


Nobody got it right in India. Alonso failed to improve on his second lap. And even Massa being in an older spec qualified right behind him despite making a mistake.
Sure Vettel is now always perfect in qualifying. But neither is Alonso or Hamilton. In the last couple of years, Vettel has shown that if he has a shot at pole, more times than not he will take it. Not allways, todays F1 is too competetive for that. But Vettel has done many poles where Red Bull did not lock out the frontrow.

#18 Diablobb81

Diablobb81
  • Member

  • 3,476 posts
  • Joined: August 09

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:07

Do Lewis and Fernando cry themselves to sleep together? "The Real Housewives of F1"?

#19 fastwriter

fastwriter
  • Member

  • 173 posts
  • Joined: November 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:08

Hamilton has watched Vettels 36 year old team mate out qualify him 7 times this season. That's not impressive and I think Vettel would be in for a rude shock if Hamilton ever sat next to him in the same car, if he's finding a driver like Webber so competitive.




Hamilton was outqualified by button last year on many occasions. Now, his fanboys say, he simply had a bad year. But he had a completly bad year. Vettel struggled at the beginning of this season to get to grips with the new car in qualifying. But he overcame his problems and started to dominate webber again in the second part of the season. Overall he dominated his teammate over the last three years. Against a guy, who never lost a quali-duel to a teammate before.

So what are you trying to say? That Webber isn't as good as Button, who best your driving god last year fair and square :lol:

Advertisement

#20 stanga

stanga
  • Member

  • 1,124 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:29

Hamilton was spot on with those comments. The Red Bull does not require the same level of 'on the limit' precision to get a fast lap time as its competitors. It's not Vettels fault. Like Lewis says, he still has to drive the thing well.

#21 Alarcon

Alarcon
  • Member

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:32

Hamilton missed 2 appex at Malaysia this season and achieved the pole. He even crashed into the wall at Singapore and achieved the 2nd best time.

Imo he´s as jealous as Alonso because he knows this season he had the faster car overall but the team was not at his level supporting his talent.

He said Vettel not only Vettel qualify very well but last season recog. Seb is always extremely quick over one lap.

#22 bauss

bauss
  • Member

  • 4,962 posts
  • Joined: June 10

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:34

Hamilton was outqualified by button last year on many occasions. Now, his fanboys say, he simply had a bad year. But he had a completly bad year. Vettel struggled at the beginning of this season to get to grips with the new car in qualifying. But he overcame his problems and started to dominate webber again in the second part of the season. Overall he dominated his teammate over the last three years. Against a guy, who never lost a quali-duel to a teammate before.

So what are you trying to say? That Webber isn't as good as Button, who best your driving god last year fair and square :lol:


lol...many occasions still less than the number of times Webber has outqualified SV so far this year.
LH had a bad bad year but still outqualified JB 14 - 6.

This year JB has outqualified LH 3 times, Spa with a different setup, Hockenheim, wet with a diff strategy and Japan where something was broken on his car...

I really wish we could have seen LH and SV in same car.... SV is fast but I have little doubt about the outcome.

Hopefully we would see the FA - SV matchup

#23 Alarcon

Alarcon
  • Member

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:35

Hamilton was outqualified by button last year on many occasions. Now, his fanboys say, he simply had a bad year. But he had a completly bad year. Vettel struggled at the beginning of this season to get to grips with the new car in qualifying. But he overcame his problems and started to dominate webber again in the second part of the season. Overall he dominated his teammate over the last three years. Against a guy, who never lost a quali-duel to a teammate before.

So what are you trying to say? That Webber isn't as good as Button, who best your driving god last year fair and square :lol:



Is as simply as this.

Anyone who knows about F1 can´t simply compare a driver as Button with a driver as Webber over one lap.

Even on the BBC analyse they said Mark was considered the fastest over one lap... until Seb arrived. However I´ll give you a stat for all those who claims those 7 Q3 Mark did well:

so far Vettel 55-18 Webber.



#24 mnmracer

mnmracer
  • Member

  • 1,972 posts
  • Joined: September 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:36

Anyone who's seen Schumi in his prime knows that driving a F1 car really fast is not a robotic 'follow the lines and hit the apex'. Of course, not to mention the implication of this comment on Webber's skills, who is being beaten despite Vettel 'missing all his apexes'. But it will be interesting to see next year, as he's joining Webber's former team mate; if Hamilton doesn't beat Rosberg as much as Vettel beats Webber, he might want to rethink his apexes.

#25 Juggles

Juggles
  • Member

  • 896 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:37

Hamilton was outqualified by button last year on many occasions. Now, his fanboys say, he simply had a bad year. But he had a completly bad year. Vettel struggled at the beginning of this season to get to grips with the new car in qualifying. But he overcame his problems and started to dominate webber again in the second part of the season. Overall he dominated his teammate over the last three years. Against a guy, who never lost a quali-duel to a teammate before.

So what are you trying to say? That Webber isn't as good as Button, who best your driving god last year fair and square :lol:


First bold) Indeed. The pattern shown by 2011 and the last few races of this season is that the more rear downforce Red Bull piles on compared to the opposition the more remarkable Vettel looks compared to both Webber and the rest of the field. We know he is a good driver and accusations of being an "EBD champion" are harsh but the fact is for most of the last four years he has driven a car with fundamentally more downforce than any other driver apart from Mark Webber. How we rate Webber then becomes crucial in evaluating Vettel. Vettel fans will say Webber is electrically fast over one lap and just below the tier 1 drivers. Vettel detractors will say Webber is a journeyman who showed pace in bursts but isn't worthy of such a good car. I'm not sure what a neutral would say...

Second bold) This is complete conjecture but I would rate them at a similar level, even though Button is a WDC. Some would say that as soon as I do that I have to rate Vettel above Hamilton; well, no. I believe there are two anomalies in the F1 careers of Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel: (1) how poor Hamilton was in 2011. (2) how good Vettel was in 2011. If the pattern of last year had continued into this then I would have had to seriously start re-evaluating my interpretation of F1's pecking order, but it didn't. Hamilton has thrashed Button this season, and I challenge any objective F1 fan to claim otherwise. Vettel, on the other hand, has looked much more vulnerable at times than he did in 2011. Ever since a big Red Bull update which restored their downforce advantage over the field he is back to his imperious 2011 spec.

My thoughts on the original matter are that both Alonso and Hamilton (and others actually) have shown they are capable of doing what Vettel so often does; they can both qualify on pole and drive off into the sunset. We don't know if they can do it with the same consistency as Vettel but in my view that's because they have had far, far less opportunities to do so. I seriously rate Vettel's 2011; he was pretty much flawless and loved the characteristics of the car so I'm not convinced anyone on the grid could have beaten him that season as a teammate. However, I don't think we should be in any doubt what has elevated Vettel from one of a number of very good drivers to the class of the field.

#26 Alarcon

Alarcon
  • Member

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:39

lol...many occasions still less than the number of times Webber has outqualified SV so far this year.
LH had a bad bad year but still outqualified JB 14 - 6.

This year JB has outqualified LH 3 times, Spa with a different setup, Hockenheim, wet with a diff strategy and Japan where something was broken on his car...

I really wish we could have seen LH and SV in same car.... SV is fast but I have little doubt about the outcome.

Hopefully we would see the FA - SV matchup



Seb 55-18 Webber

Seb 35 pole position - 10 Mark.

What do you want to say about? :drunk:

Maybe a: "Oh God! Mark Webber outqualified Seb 18 times over... 73 races". Vettel rubbish!

Sorry mate but even some Lewis fans (I´m one of them because I admire what he did this season) recog. Lewis would be in trouble against Seb over one lap.

#27 MonacoMaster

MonacoMaster
  • Member

  • 104 posts
  • Joined: May 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:44

Next year a lot more drivers will miss 4 apexes and still be faster than him. :lol: . Hopefully I'm wrong though.


:lol:

#28 Alarcon

Alarcon
  • Member

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:44

Second bold) This is complete conjecture but I would rate them at a similar level, even though Button is a WDC. Some would say that as soon as I do that I have to rate Vettel above Hamilton; well, no. I believe there are two anomalies in the F1 careers of Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel: (1) how poor Hamilton was in 2011. (2) how good Vettel was in 2011. If the pattern of last year had continued into this then I would have had to seriously start re-evaluating my interpretation of F1's pecking order, but it didn't. Hamilton has thrashed Button this season, and I challenge any objective F1 fan to claim otherwise. Vettel, on the other hand, has looked much more vulnerable at times than he did in 2011. Ever since a big Red Bull update which restored their downforce advantage over the field he is back to his imperious 2011 spec.

My thoughts on the original matter are that both Alonso and Hamilton (and others actually) have shown they are capable of doing what Vettel so often does; they can both qualify on pole and drive off into the sunset. We don't know if they can do it with the same consistency as Vettel but in my view that's because they have had far, far less opportunities to do so. I seriously rate Vettel's 2011; he was pretty much flawless and loved the characteristics of the car so I'm not convinced anyone on the grid could have beaten him that season as a teammate. However, I don't think we should be in any doubt what has elevated Vettel from one of a number of very good drivers to the class of the field.



Sorry but we are talking about qualifying and you simply can´t compare raw speed from Button vs raw speed from Mark Webber (who had the best average beating teammates on Qualy). And Seb smashed him (a fact).

This season over one lap McLaren had more chances to do better, but despite of it and despite he struggling with the car on the early races, still SV has been (so far, of course) the best qualifier.

It´s impossible to have the same level of 2011 if your car doesn´t suit you. Then to expect the same level of driving from Seb on a year with 7 different winners and the most equal season ever... the only prove you have is SV and ALonso are fighting for the WDC. While others doesn´t.



#29 Juggles

Juggles
  • Member

  • 896 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:47

Seb 55-18 Webber

Seb 35 pole position - 10 Mark.

What do you want to say about? :drunk:

Maybe a: "Oh God! Mark Webber outqualified Seb 18 times over... 73 races". Vettel rubbish!

Sorry mate but even some Lewis fans (I´m one of them because I admire what he did this season) recog. Lewis would be in trouble against Seb over one lap.


I don't think you count as a Hamilton fan when Vettel is the driver we are comparing him to...

#30 Alarcon

Alarcon
  • Member

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:47

If Seb is faster than Lewis "missing some appex" (untrue, but still a jealous driver opinion), imagine the day he will hit all the appex... :lol:

Lewis, as Alonso, needs to play those mind games... while he only talks when it matter and where it matters: on track.

Too fast to be popular.

#31 Alarcon

Alarcon
  • Member

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:48

I don't think you count as a Hamilton fan when Vettel is the driver we are comparing him to...



Of course I support SV, but I can admire both, isn´it?

And I´m still waiting some answer about the 55-18...

Edited by Alarcon, 03 November 2012 - 07:50.


#32 baddog

baddog
  • Member

  • 23,332 posts
  • Joined: June 99

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:49

Yeah its a bit of a cheek given that only for a handful of races has Lewis been in anything but a top 3 car in his whole F1 career.

#33 Juggles

Juggles
  • Member

  • 896 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:55

Sorry but we are talking about qualifying and you simply can´t compare raw speed from Button vs raw speed from Mark Webber (who had the best average beating teammates on Qualy). And Seb smashed him (a fact).

This season over one lap McLaren had more chances to do better, but despite of it and despite he struggling with the car on the early races, still SV has been (so far, of course) the best qualifier.

It´s impossible to have the same level of 2011 if your car doesn´t suit you. Then to expect the same level of driving from Seb on a year with 7 different winners and the most equal season ever... the only prove you have is SV and ALonso are fighting for the WDC. While others doesn´t.


By what measure? Vettel has five pole positions, Hamilton has five pole positions (six if you include Spain, which I'm sure you won't).

So the car doesn't suit Vettel at the moment? Truly he is the messiah. I love your tactical deployment of "the most equal season ever" card by the way. If you commanded an army they would all have been slaughtered in the first battle for being too predictable.

#34 Juggles

Juggles
  • Member

  • 896 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:00

Yeah its a bit of a cheek given that only for a handful of races has Lewis been in anything but a top 3 car in his whole F1 career.


But never in that time a car as fundementally superior as the Red Bull has been for huge chunks of the last four years. Possibly the four race stretch from Hungary - Singapore this year is the closest he has come to having a car truly without peer; striking then that he was on pole three times, won twice and retired from the lead in Singapore.

#35 Alarcon

Alarcon
  • Member

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:04

It´s easy. Lewis stats so far on Qualy. against Jenson since 2010:

Lewis 40 - 14 Jenson = Lewis beat Jenson 74% of the time.

Now we compare against the stats between Mark and Seb:

Vettel 55 - 18 M.Webber = Seb beat the 75% of the time Mark Webber. And now we "compare" Mark Webber over one lap vs Button over one lap...

Conclusion: Vettel is extremely fast! Lewis too.;)

Edited by Alarcon, 03 November 2012 - 08:08.


#36 Alarcon

Alarcon
  • Member

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:07

By what measure? Vettel has five pole positions, Hamilton has five pole positions (six if you include Spain, which I'm sure you won't).

So the car doesn't suit Vettel at the moment? Truly he is the messiah. I love your tactical deployment of "the most equal season ever" card by the way. If you commanded an army they would all have been slaughtered in the first battle for being too predictable.



When you have a season with 7 different winners, with different drivers on pole, with equal cars depending the race, with drivers (as in Valencia) qualifiying 10th just 2 tenths from the pole... sorry if that hurts you, but this has been the most equal season ever in F1.

It´s not me. It´s the statistic.


Edited by Alarcon, 03 November 2012 - 08:10.


#37 Trust

Trust
  • Member

  • 3,170 posts
  • Joined: November 09

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:11

Still acting as a child I see. Have a feeling this man will never grow up. As the time goes by the more and more he looks like Jacque.

#38 Alarcon

Alarcon
  • Member

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:14

By what measure? Vettel has five pole positions, Hamilton has five pole positions (six if you include Spain, which I'm sure you won't).

So the car doesn't suit Vettel at the moment? Truly he is the messiah. I love your tactical deployment of "the most equal season ever" card by the way. If you commanded an army they would all have been slaughtered in the first battle for being too predictable.



Well I made a wrong expression (sorry I´m not english but spanish and my grammar is poor). When I said "doesn´t suit him" I really wanted to mean the car was far from last season. Last season the "excuse" was the exhaust. After that the mapping. And after all this "rubbish"... Seb is leading.

This season, Rb has been the 2nd/3rd/4th car of the grid at a lot of races:

Australia, Malaysia, China, Bahrein -Lotus was faster-, Barcelona, Hungary, Spa, Monza, Singapore... and last season they did not. And they only were the fastest car/dominant (as last season) at Valencia, Suzuka and Korea. 3 races over 17. While Mclaren has been faster/dominant in Australia, China, Singapore, Spa and Monza. 5 races over 17.

Edited by Alarcon, 03 November 2012 - 08:17.


#39 Juggles

Juggles
  • Member

  • 896 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:16

It´s easy. Lewis stats so far on Qualy. against Jenson since 2010:

Lewis 40 - 14 Jenson = Lewis beat Jenson 74% of the time.

Now we compare against the stats between Mark and Seb:

Vettel 55 - 18 M.Webber = Seb beat the 75% of the time Mark Webber. And now we "compare" Mark Webber over one lap vs Button over one lap...

Conclusion: Vettel is extremely fast! Lewis too.;)


How exactly do we do that?

Advertisement

#40 oligc94

oligc94
  • Member

  • 511 posts
  • Joined: January 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:18

Hamilton is such a hack. Is he forgetting this year hes had a better car than seb and hes been schooled?


On the contrary, Hamilton has been both fast and consistent this year. What has let him down it the team, not his driving.


#41 mnmracer

mnmracer
  • Member

  • 1,972 posts
  • Joined: September 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:21

How exactly do we do that?

Pre-McLaren Button lost out to Half Schumacher, Giancarlo Fisichella and Jarno Trulli and was only on par with Jacques Villeneuve and "a 50-year old Brazilian"; started beating him when he turned 60 :p . The only driver he beat was Takuma Sato.
I think it's pretty safe to say qualifying is not Button's strongest suit.

Edited by mnmracer, 03 November 2012 - 08:22.


#42 oligc94

oligc94
  • Member

  • 511 posts
  • Joined: January 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:21

Hamilton was outqualified by button last year on many occasions. Now, his fanboys say, he simply had a bad year. But he had a completly bad year. Vettel struggled at the beginning of this season to get to grips with the new car in qualifying. But he overcame his problems and started to dominate webber again in the second part of the season. Overall he dominated his teammate over the last three years. Against a guy, who never lost a quali-duel to a teammate before.

So what are you trying to say? That Webber isn't as good as Button, who best your driving god last year fair and square :lol:


Slight exaggeration don't you think? Also, I don't think that Webber is as good a driver as Button.


#43 Alarcon

Alarcon
  • Member

  • 2,468 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:24

How exactly do we do that?



Well, you can compare how many temmates has beaten Jenson on qualy. and how many Mark.

However you can start to re-watch (not sure you have seen) 2002, 2003,2004 seasons... and then you would know how extremely fast is M.Webber over one lap.

You also can read that

"Vettel's Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber is no slouch on one all-out lap - in fact, qualifying has always been considered one of Webber's outstanding qualities.
But there have been times when Vettel's searing pace on his final lap in qualifying, his ability to dig deep and find time that even the team did not think was there, has had Webber shaking his head in admiration and honestly admitting that speed was beyond him."
(from BBC)

P.D. Or you can learn from what "mnmracer" said you.

You have a lot of ways to do it! And in all of them the result is easy: Mark Webber is miles aways fastest over one lap than Button. (Note I´m just talking about raw speed and not race pace. Here imo Jenson is more regular and difficult to beat).

Edited by Alarcon, 03 November 2012 - 08:26.


#44 gillesthegenius

gillesthegenius
  • Member

  • 2,534 posts
  • Joined: July 11

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:29

Slight exaggeration don't you think? Also, I don't think that Webber is as good a driver as Button.


Ok. One can argue that Button is a better driver than Webber. But do you seriously think that Button can match Webber when it comes to qualifying? I seriously doubt it.

#45 baddog

baddog
  • Member

  • 23,332 posts
  • Joined: June 99

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:36

On the contrary, Hamilton has been both fast and consistent this year. What has let him down it the team, not his driving.

This I can agree.. this has been Hamilton's best year as a driver by far. Only Alonso has been better.

#46 seahawk

seahawk
  • Member

  • 3,132 posts
  • Joined: November 09

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:37

I love it when Lewis tells the simple truth. Great guy with big balls.

#47 sailor

sailor
  • Member

  • 585 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:42

Do Lewis and Fernando cry themselves to sleep together? "The Real Housewives of F1"?

Lol

#48 race addicted

race addicted
  • Member

  • 19,481 posts
  • Joined: June 01

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:47

"Vettel misses four apexes and still gets pole"

This has been noted by, at one point (or more), more or less every forum member.

Edited by race addicted, 03 November 2012 - 08:47.


#49 GotYoubyTheBalls

GotYoubyTheBalls
  • Member

  • 301 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:50

"Vettel misses four apexes and still gets pole"

This has been noted by, at one point (or more), more or less every forum member.


The Mclaren has had a quali advantage all year yet Hamilton cant dominate like Seb can. He must be rubbish?

#50 Zava

Zava
  • Member

  • 4,976 posts
  • Joined: September 10

Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:50

Lewis' tears are tasty! :)

oh, and I'll leave this one here