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#1 R2D2

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:05

So, Vettel will be put the back of the grid. That's the rule for McLaren at least.

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#2 Les

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:05

Yeah memories of Barcelona earlier this year...

#3 Jimisgod

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:06

P E N A L T Y please

#4 jrg19

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:06

Has to be back of grid... could spoil the championship fight.

#5 mlsnoopy

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:06

Peanalty for Vettel. Same as Barcelona.

#6 F.M.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:06

Lol at people thinking Vettel stopped because of a lack of fuel :rotfl:

#7 choyothe

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:06

What a crappy Saturday for Vettel. :down: I knew something would happen to him yet in this season.

#8 Asterion

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:06

Please Vettel p24. :clap:

#9 Coral

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:07

Has Vettel run out of fuel? Doesn't look good...

#10 fololo

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:07

P E N A L T Y please

can somebody tell me ? didnt hamilton get penalty for running out of fuel?

#11 jrg19

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:07

Isnt the rule that you have to get back under your own power?

#12 Disgrace

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:07

Lol at people thinking Vettel stopped because of a lack of fuel :rotfl:


It's unlikely but funny in context of a dwindling title race. :)

#13 Zava

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:07

Rings of Barcelona Vettel fans whats your opinion now?

if he was underfueled, they are right to put him to the back of the grid.

#14 Seanspeed

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:07

Rings of Barcelona Vettel fans whats your opinion now?

We dont know the facts yet.

#15 F.M.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:07

Isnt the rule that you have to get back under your own power?

You are ofcourse allowed to stop for technical reasons

#16 femi

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:07

Vettel out of fuel? To be demoted to the back of the grid?



RB has a trick up their sleeve.

#17 study

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:08

Better Red Bull than long term rival Ferrari I guess



I think a lot of McLaren/Lewis fans want Alonso to take it.

#18 Massa_f1

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:08

Does not seem like fuel issue to me.

#19 Disgrace

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:08

Horner tells Kravitz that Renault asked Red Bull to stop the car.

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#20 jrg19

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:08

I just hope we dont hear "force majeure" :lol:

#21 alg7_munif

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:09

Regardless of whatever reason, don't they have to bring the car back under its own power?

#22 DanardiF1

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:09

Horner tells Kravitz that Renault asked Red Bull to stop the car.


For the boss of the team, he doesn't seem to know much does he?

He's lying and knows exactly why he had to stop...

#23 F.M.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:09

Vettel stopped on request of the 'engine expert'.

Alternator sounds likely

#24 choyothe

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:09

So what's the rule? You have to get the car to the pits on your own or just about the fuel?

#25 saudoso

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:09

Allen:#f1 Sounds like VET's problem was engine related. Renault made the call to stop the car

#26 Disgrace

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:12

For the boss of the team, he doesn't seem to know much does he?

He's lying and knows exactly why he had to stop...


He isn't obliged to tell Kravitz everything.

#27 study

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:13

If its a alternator issue, I presume they are able to fix it without a penalty.

Be good to see him back of grid keep the championship open.

#28 kedia990

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:13

Regardless of whatever reason, don't they have to bring the car back under its own power?


No, you're allowed to halt on track in cases of Force Majeure

#29 F.M.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:13

So what's the rule? You have to get the car to the pits on your own or just about the fuel?

You have to get the car back to the pits on your own power bar technical issues.

#30 robefc

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:14

He isn't obliged to tell Kravitz everything.


I can't imagine anything more annoying than having a potential crisis at the sharp end of a championship than having a camera and mic shoved in your face.

Not that I'm blaming Ted, that's his job.

#31 swerved

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:15

Vettels display went from 3rd gear to Neutral, Davidson said it shouldn't do so at the speed that it did. ie: not the car speed, the speed that display changed from 3rd into Neutral.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:16

You have to get the car back to the pits on your own power bar technical issues.


"Technical issues"? With that wording, how is running out of fuel NOT a technical reason?

#33 harrys

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:17

If it's fuel he gets moved to the back of the grid.

If it's gearbox he gets a 5-place grid penalty.

If he has to change the engine it will compromise the last 2 races.

#34 Jejking

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:18

Vettels display went from 3rd gear to Neutral, Davidson said it shouldn't do so at the speed that it did. ie: not the car speed, the speed that display changed from 3rd into Neutral.

I thought it was Vettel putting the car in neutral. Drivers do that all the time when approaching the team during a pitstop sequence.

#35 Massa

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:19

Charlie Whiting driking a Red Bull ? :o

#36 alg7_munif

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:19

No, you're allowed to halt on track in cases of Force Majeure

Avoiding a problem can't be force majeure right, unless the engine died on its own.

#37 tarmac

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:22

Honestly i hope Vettel gets a penalty. Good for the show

#38 Alarcon

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:23

Honestly i hope Vettel gets a penalty. Good for the show


You mean "your" show.

#39 mlsnoopy

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:23

If the rules are the same foer everybody than Vettel should start last.

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#40 dau

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:25

Vettel a bad lier in the press conference. Smiling when saying he does not know why he had to stop on track.

Well, maybe he doesn't. They didn't say anything on team radio and after stopping the car he didn't really have time to talk to his team, did he? Also there's no need for the team to tell him what exactly happened right before he goes to the press conference.

You know, maybe, just maybe he was just smiling. Like he does all the friggin' time.

#41 Wuzak

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:25

"Technical issues"? With that wording, how is running out of fuel NOT a technical reason?


Apart from it being the fault of the team for not putting enough in and not a technical failure, the rules specifically require the car to make its way back to parc ferme under its own power and have at least 1l of fuel for sampling.

#42 robefc

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:26

You mean "your" show.


I'd probably prefer alonso to win out of the two of them but I, and I imagine 99% of those that aren't vettel fans, would find Seb starting at the back mouth watering.

Both for the race, to see what he can do, and for the championship. A 12 point lead (if vettel failed to score) for alonso with 2 races to go and vettel in a quicker car is a much more exciting prospect than vettel extending his lead.

#43 marina

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:26

Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel, who starts third: "I dont know why I had to stop, I was asked to stop. It's probably some problem. It shouldn't be something major. This morning wasn't ideal not being able to run. Nevertheless, we were settling in quite well, the pace was there. McLaren, in particular Lewis, are pretty quick and were out of reach today. I'm not entirely happy with the last part of qualifying. It was quite tricky for me. I should have been a little quicker. I think we can be happy overall. The race pace should be good tomorrow. I'm looking forward to it."

#44 robefc

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:28

You mean "your" show.


I'd probably prefer alonso to win out of the two of them but I, and I imagine 99% of those that aren't vettel fans, would find Seb starting at the back mouth watering.

Both for the race, to see what he can do, and for the championship. A 12 point lead (if vettel failed to score) for alonso with 2 races to go and vettel in a quicker car is a much more exciting prospect than vettel extending his lead.

#45 jrg19

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:28

Remember how long it took to sort Barcelona qualifying out... Could be a while before we know whats happening with Sebs car.

#46 crooky369

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:30

Anyone know what it's says on Vettel's dash just before he quickly goes down three gears before pulling off the track?

I think it says "NEUT" for neutral I presume but I'm not 100% sure.

#47 choyothe

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:31

Not according to ant :p


You know these guys, always putting you in the pedestal while your in the best car and saying you can do no wrong. Didn't they do that to Seb? :p

#48 f1fastestlap

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:31

Anyone know what it's says on Vettel's dash just before he quickly goes down three gears before pulling off the track?

I think it says "NEUT" for neutral I presume but I'm not 100% sure.


Yes, neutral.

#49 f1fastestlap

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:32

You know these guys, always putting you in the pedestal while your in the best car and saying you can do no wrong. Didn't they do that to Seb? :p


So you're looking into your mirror? :cool:

#50 Weyoun

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 14:33

Both for the race, to see what he can do, and for the championship.


I wouldn't expect any magic with a Red Bull and their low topspeeds in a situation like this to be honest. He still may be able to get a decent result with maybe a few points, but that would be it I guess.