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#1 Mandzipop

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 20:49

New thread due to technical issues. Old Thread here http://forums.autosp...w...&start=4040

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#2 Seanspeed

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 21:00

Ferrari's cool.

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#3 decoder

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 21:02

Still actually disappointed despite Vettels penalty because we are in a poor position to capitalise being 6th on the grid. I just hope for a clean first lap, and any points will do. Again a pretty sad position to be in.

#4 BigCHrome

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 21:05

I wouldn't get my hopes up too much if I'm a Ferrari fan. USA and Brazil are the same type of track as India/Korea/Suzuka where RB dominated.


#5 Seanspeed

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 21:07

I wouldn't get my hopes up too much if I'm a Ferrari fan. USA and Brazil are the same type of track as India/Korea/Suzuka where RB dominated.

Not really. And are you the one who voted this thread one-star? :lol:

#6 SCUDmissile

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 21:38

Last sector killed them.
Loads of 90 degree corners. But then it was just Quali. I still think Ferrari could be blinding in the race. McLaren normally do do better in Quali than the race.

#7 BigCHrome

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 21:51

Not really. And are you the one who voted this thread one-star? :lol:


Huh? No I did not. Why do you always go off topic when someone says something negative about your team?

And yes, Brazil and USA are exactly like the tracks that RB dominated on. They will easily win both races.

#8 tarmac

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 21:55

How is Massa so close even when Alonso should have more updates. Something dosent add up

#9 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 21:56

How is Massa so close even when Alonso should have more updates. Something dosent add up


....The updates are crap.

#10 Seanspeed

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 22:02

Huh? No I did not. Why do you always go off topic when someone says something negative about your team?

I really dont and I was just curious, relax. :lol:

And yes, Brazil and USA are exactly like the tracks that RB dominated on.

I dont see how, but whatever.

Edited by Seanspeed, 03 November 2012 - 22:06.


#11 F1Squishy

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 22:17

Maybe Alonso had an off day, and yes, every driver has an off day so don't bite my head off :p . It's just when Alonso has an off day he still out qualifies Massa.

But let's say he was on it and went 3 tenths faster, it wouldn't matter one single bit, no position changes and still miles behind the fron row. So when they say they got the maximum out of the car and hit the 'performance wall', I believe them!

It has been the same all season after all... A good race to the podium to look forward to anyway!

Edited by F1Squishy, 03 November 2012 - 22:19.


#12 Jon83

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 22:19

Still actually disappointed despite Vettels penalty because we are in a poor position to capitalise being 6th on the grid. I just hope for a clean first lap, and any points will do. Again a pretty sad position to be in.


Things look so much better than they did a few hours ago. It's all about beating Vettel and taking as many points as possible out of his lead. Alonso is in a great position to do that and who knows, maybe Webber with have one of his normal KERS issues :smoking:

#13 CF22

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 23:28

Honestly our car is bulletproof (knock on wood). Ferrari have done an amazing job in regards to reliability in the past few years while other teams haven't - Red Bull and McLaren. I fully expect them to have more problems tomorrow; I'm hoping this one turns out to be like Valencia. Alonso's just gotta be careful with those around him. This race is winnable.

#14 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:36

Hopefully Alonso can get a good start and emerge through the first lap in one piece but I'm a bit worried about being on the dirty side. Getting stuck behind Rosberg wouldn't be good.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:41

The most likely scenario would be:

Lap 1

- Hamilton will fly away Vettel-like, but that's fine
- Maldonado will likely overtake Webber, who's on the dirty side and does usually make crappy starts
- Fernando might not start that well, but will use his usual combativity to overtake at least one car on the first lap (this could be Jenson, who's struggling here)

We then have something like this at the end of Lap 1:

1. HAMILTON
2. MALDONADO
3. WEBBER
4. RÄIKKÖNEN
5. ALONSO
6. BUTTON
7. MASSA
8. ROSBERG
...
24. VETTEL, lol

Lap 2

- Webber might be not that far away and could struggle on the straights, but he will push to be out of the DRS zone from Kimi & Fer, using the slower part of the circuit
- Fernando will be very close to Kimi
- Vettel will already have a ~15s gap to Hamilton on the line

Lap 3, DRS activated

End of Lap 3 or 4, by the most optimistic projection:

1. HAMILTON
2. MALDONADO
3. ALONSO
4. RÄIKKÖNEN
5. WEBBER
6. BUTTON
7. MASSA
8. ROSBERG
...
21. VETTEL

Can't do better than that, sorry, but I tried to be neutral about this.

Edited by Ravenak, 04 November 2012 - 02:44.


#16 skopi

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:09

The most likely scenario would be:
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...
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Can't do better than that, sorry, but I tried to be neutral about this.


neutral? seriously? I cannot see a way of alonso passing Raikkonen or Webber... button and maldonado are more vulnerable. I think even a p4 behind Ham, Web, Rai would be tough. One-stop strategy and the nature of this track leave a small margin of overtaking. Unless something big happens in the first corner, which is the point where the maldonado factor comes in place...



#17 Ravenak

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:11

You seem to forget two things: the pace of the Ferrari on long runs looks excellent and Webber will be easy to take in the straights, whereas Maldonado will not.

And you know as well as me that overtaking on this track happens only with the DRS.

#18 kosmos

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:51

You seem to forget two things: the pace of the Ferrari on long runs looks excellent


That's for Massa, Fernando couldn't do long runs and we don't know how the new updates will affect his long run but the medium worked good in qualy. We will see, this race is quite scary in every aspect despite Vettel starting position.


#19 Ravenak

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:56

I meant: the Ferrari is generally good on the longer stints, and I don't think the new updates will affect this too much. I mean, it can't have gotten worse.

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#20 Seanspeed

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 04:26

Hopefully Alonso can get a good start and emerge through the first lap in one piece but I'm a bit worried about being on the dirty side. Getting stuck behind Rosberg wouldn't be good.

The start can indeed define Alonso's race.

#21 bmardini

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:03

The start can indeed define Alonso's race.


Fortunately there isn't really a clean/dirty side at Yas. I say this because the racing line out of the final corner has the drivers draw a long diagonal from the exit of the final turn all the way to the braking point of the first corner. So really, the "clean side" isn't the same as other circuits where it is directly on the racing line.

The pole position is odd on the right, the run to the 1st corner is quite short and 2nd has the inside line. If 2nd even has a slightly better start it all but guarantees taking the lead at the start.



#22 aray

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:56

we need a good start and couple of DNF's from front-runners for a podium finish...Ferrari is at it's weakest since the second half started and Vettel starting from pit-lane is the only positive thing happened to us for the whole week-end till now..

#23 ArkZ

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:40

F2012 have similar characteristics to F150th , fast in high speed corners and slow in twisty street circuit with 90 degrees corners also better in race, worse in Q and so on..... Last year Alonso was 0,6 behind (Vettel and Hamilton Q2 time) in Q with 5th fastest time, yet in the race he was very fast and finished 2nd not so far behind Lewis and well ahead of the rest. Alonso definitely have a shot for 2nd today ,I'am looking forward for repeat of India. :)

Edited by ArkZ, 04 November 2012 - 08:41.


#24 Ferrari2183

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:21

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104009

Autosport now also reporting what AMuS did last night. Massa seems to confirm what some of us here have been discussing about the track characteristics.

#25 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:29

I dont see how, but whatever.


I don't see it either.

#26 Aerosoul

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:47

Good luck for Ferrari.

#27 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:47

How's our top speed looking?

#28 ArkZ

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:51

@ConsiderAndGo
Both Ferraris ~320 km/h
only Maldonado is faster ahead of us 325.8 km/h
McLaren ~313 km/h
Raikkonen ~314 km/h
Webber ~311km/h

#29 RedOne

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:52

How's our top speed looking?

Good

#30 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:53

@ConsiderAndGo
Both Ferraris ~320 km/h
only Maldonado is faster ahead of us 325.8 km/h
McLaren ~313 km/h
Raikkonen ~314 km/h
Webber ~311km/h


Thanks mate - Hopefully there will be a good opportunity to pass Webber. Can not wait for this race!!!!

#31 RedOne

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:58

I don't know what to expect from this race, I just hope Alonso can close that gap and have a good race.

#32 Ferrari2183

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:03

I don't know what to expect from this race, I just hope Alonso can close that gap and have a good race.

This.

If Alonso is less than 7 points behind Vettel after this race then I'll be happy.

Edited by Ferrari2183, 04 November 2012 - 12:04.


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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:05

I'm just hoping for clean first corner, even if he is still P6 after it I think he can salvage some good points, Ferrari looked fast on Friday. Then Ferrari must win at least one of the following two races and hope for the best.

Edited by sawyer_si, 04 November 2012 - 12:06.


#34 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:07

I'll be happy if he finishes in front of Vettel and in the points. Finishing the first lap will be the most important thing, I don't think he should take risks to make up places right away; I'm pretty confident the opportunities to make up places will come to him.

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 04 November 2012 - 12:07.


#35 kosmos

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:11

I only wish for a safe start, and zero mistakes from Fernando, the team and other drivers, if the car allow us to get on the podium, so be it.

#36 aray

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:11

yeah!..particularly grosjean is only two places away...you never know when he will go bonker....

#37 SCUDmissile

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:14

I think the car might have more in it than it has showed.

And McLaren are normally fantastic in Saturday to be a little less fantastic on the Sunday.
But we need a Valencia like start to get rid of the guys between Alonso and the podium.

Alonso has been on top form recently, though and I have to admit I was wrong in saying he may not have got the best from the car. If that was the max, then doing it 3 laps in a row was amazing.

I hope now though, that the track comes to Ferrari as it did in q1.

Edited by SCUDmissile, 04 November 2012 - 12:18.


#38 Jackmancer

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:19

Can't do better than that, sorry, but I tried to be neutral about this.


Well as a Ferrari fan I hope it's a Alonso-Massa win and Vettel goes through the pitlane at 320km/h and is banned for the Austin GP :p

#39 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:24

I'm sure Fernando is worried about the start & is trying to figure out the best thing to do. He could make up a few places & I think he should try & get as far up front as possible on the first lap. Laying back/ trying to keep roughly the same position could be a disaster with all the guys in the back rushing up as usual. Will be a tricky start, the trickiest of the year. This is a huge opportunity they have to take advantage of, so long as he's not taken out on the first lap.

If Fernando can reach Mark he will easily pass him if they get into the DRS zone. I think the same basically goes for Kimi. Forza Fernando! Forza Ferrari! Forza Felipe!

Edit: Felipe's job is to make life hell for Seb should he get close!! :up:

Edited by CrucialXtreme, 04 November 2012 - 12:25.


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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:45

Fernando's a sensible guy, he knows he can't take too many risks this weekend. A P4 finish will suffice, all we need is to close the gap to Vettel and it will give us a chance to fight back in Brazil. Forza Ferrari! Forza Fernando!

#41 whoisjohngalt

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:45

Let's do this. I'm so freakishly nervous, bad decision to drink coffee today.

#42 Heasven

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:54

I'd be happy if at least we reduced 5 points from the gap. I can see Vettel finishing 5th so we need Fernando to finish in the podium. In Austin and Brasil anything can happen because of the weather(rain).

Man, I'm feeling really tense about this race. It feels like a proper end of a championship. Good luck !


#43 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 13:26

That SC helped VET a lot, he has a chance to finish P5 maybe. ALO so far does not seem fast enough to pass MAL, will come down to tyres at the end of the stint. But overall I am happy so far with P4 and having survived the start.

#44 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 13:42

That SC helped VET a lot, he has a chance to finish P5 maybe. ALO so far does not seem fast enough to pass MAL, will come down to tyres at the end of the stint. But overall I am happy so far with P4 and having survived the start.


Yeah the SC helped a lot, but the FW damage hurt & he lost all the gained places. However he will finish in the points. So any amount we can cut the lead is very good. Looking ahead, need more updates and ones that work. But I do think the F2012, if in Austin or Brazil right now would be more competitive than it is right now.

#45 AlexS

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 13:52

Why they don't stop Massa?

#46 NeilMick

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 13:55

Great job Felipe..

#47 AlexS

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 13:56

The stupidity of Ferrari pit stop continues...
Time to stop Alonso too.

Edited by AlexS, 04 November 2012 - 13:57.


#48 Enzoluis

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 13:58

AndI will have to see FM on a Ferrari one year more!

#49 topical

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 14:18

Safety car, Vettel on fresh tyres, he will win this. WDC over.

#50 Enzoluis

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 14:19

Safety car, Vettel on fresh tyres, he will win this. WDC over.


Unfortunatly true.