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#451 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 22:33

Tyres seem to be a big issue (see Sauber quotes on Autosport News) and IMHO it's impossible to predict how the individual cars will deal with it.

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#452 BorkoF2012

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 23:26

For some reason I think this is going to be a very good Sunday for Ferrari.

#453 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 23:55

Alonso:

“The updates, they seem to work,” said Alonso. “We are still analysing all the data from today, but the first impression is that it’s all going good, so I’m happy. Obviously if we introduce a little step every race the others do the same, so we keep the gap more or less consistent.

“Starting third would be fantastic, but we were third many Fridays, and then on Saturday McLaren, Lotus they seem to use the potential that maybe on Friday they hide. It’s possible that we’ll have a tough qualifying. But we were seventh and ninth in Abu Dhabi, and we scored three points more than Vettel. If we are better than seventh I think we can score even more points.”

Alonso said he wasn’t concerned about the apparent pace of the Red Bull today.

“No surprises for us, they are the quickest out there, they have the fastest package, they do first and second in all the practices, first and second in all qualifying, and if everything goes normal, first and second in the race.

“In the race sometimes everything is not going normal, and we put more pressure on them on Sundays, we will take out opportunities, we will fight every lap in the race.

“We know the strong point of them, we keep repeating this every race, is the speed of the package. They are very quick. Our strong points are the united team, a very strong team, the driveability of our car. We try to use each of our strong points, and the important thing is to score 11 points more than them in these two races. I’m still convinced that we can do it, but we are not surprised when they are first and second in practice and qualifying.”


Interesting that he singles out the driveability of the Ferrari. And good to hear about the updates.

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Edited by KnucklesAgain, 16 November 2012 - 23:56.


#454 Hanzo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 00:17

I think starting from P3 or P4 is possible this weekend. I don't think Lotus, Williams, Sauber... will be there like they do sometimes. What I fear is a strong Mclaren team tomorrow, as usual. That would mean P5-P6 and a very very difficult mountain to climb from there...

If I am not mistaken, our best man, Poleman, is in the circuit this weekend, so I am sure his positivism will bring good things for us on sunday. :lol:

Edited by Hanzo, 17 November 2012 - 00:21.


#455 oetzi

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:30

Alonso:


Interesting that he singles out the driveability of the Ferrari. And good to hear about the updates.

http://adamcooperf1....d-we-can-do-it/

Quite rare to hear him so positive before a race, rather than after one. Hopefully that's a good sign.

#456 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:50

Quite rare to hear him so positive before a race, rather than after one. Hopefully that's a good sign.


After reflection, I don't know what to make of it. The one thing everybody always could agree on was that the car always was a handful. And now he mentions in passing that the drivability is a strong point, as if this was common knowledge.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:57

After reflection, I don't know what to make of it. The one thing everybody always could agree on was that the car always was a handful. And now he mentions in passing that the drivability is a strong point, as if this was common knowledge.

I'm reading that as the updates giving some pace, and him wanting the credit if it all works out :)

#458 aray

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 03:27

we can match RB 2/3rd of the circuit and only sector 3 is killing us....Vettel's fastest sector 3 time is 0.7 faster than Alonso....
what a nightmare..:mad: :cry:

Edited by aray, 17 November 2012 - 03:28.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:46

After reflection, I don't know what to make of it. The one thing everybody always could agree on was that the car always was a handful. And now he mentions in passing that the drivability is a strong point, as if this was common knowledge.

I wouldn't think much on it. Throwaway comment. He wanted something good to say about things instead of 'yea, I've been awesome'.

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#460 topical

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 08:46

The drivers are reporting that overtaking looks difficult and with that big run down to the first corner qualifying will be more important than ever. P3 would be a miracle, I doubt Alonso can do it, a lot depends on McLaren. FP3 will give us a better idea.
I still think the best we can hope for is P.2 this weekend to Vettel, lose another 7 points and hope for rain in Brazil. Either that or reliability problems for RBR.

#461 Ferrari2183

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:08

How did the car look on track yesterday? I missed both free practices yesterday and I forgot to record them.

#462 SCUDmissile

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:20

Upgrades are working and that is a positive. But Vettel's pace is pretty frightening. Still race pace is another matter, IMO.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:36

Upgrades are working and that is a positive. But Vettel's pace is pretty frightening. Still race pace is another matter, IMO.

A reason why the f2012 is slow on slow corners is the push rod on the front.. it gives u a edge in high speed corners but u get a disadvantage at slow corners...



I hope ferrari will change the suspension at 2013

#464 HPT

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:43

A reason why the f2012 is slow on slow corners is the push rod on the front.. it gives u a edge in high speed corners but u get a disadvantage at slow corners...



I hope ferrari will change the suspension at 2013


And how do you know that? What is your reasoning for thinking that? Slow corners is all about traction and since F1 cars are rear wheel driven whatever suspension they have at the front is almost irrelevant. What they're lacking is rear downforce.

And btw it's a pullrod.

Edited by HPT, 17 November 2012 - 10:45.


#465 fololo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:53

And how do you know that? What is your reasoning for thinking that? Slow corners is all about traction and since F1 cars are rear wheel driven whatever suspension they have at the front is almost irrelevant. What they're lacking is rear downforce.

And btw it's a pullrod.

Scarb said that and also whitmarsch on a interview

#466 HPT

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:58

Scarb said that and also whitmarsch on a interview


Wow really? that is interesting. I remember Scarbs saying earlier in the season that perhaps most teams will go for pullrod front because it works so well with the Ferrari or something along those lines. Strange that he changed his tone now all of a sudden.

#467 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:05

Scarb said that and also whitmarsch on a interview


[citation needed]

#468 igoru

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:23

"Anything can happen in Formula 1, and it usually does"

These words have been ringing in my ears for weeks, I don't believe in God, but I hope he is listening.

Alonso does not belive either.......yea he is the best...... but this is weakest point of him

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:45

Alonso does not belive either.......yea he is the best...... but this is weakest point of him


We shouldn't be discussing religion on this forum...

However, it is very idiotic to say that you don't believe in existence of God, but still to ask for His help.

#470 topical

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:58

Please, let's not turn this into a theology thred. Only 3 hours till FP3. Let's hope Ferrari at least stay ahead of McLaren!

#471 JBLeon

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:25

What is the word that describes the action of doing the same things over and over and expecting different results every time?

Oh yeah: Ferrari.

Edited by JBLeon, 17 November 2012 - 12:26.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 13:36

What is the word that describes the action of doing the same things over and over and expecting different results every time?

Oh yeah: JBLeon.

Fixed that for you.

#473 Seanspeed

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 13:50

Fixed that for you.

:lol:

#474 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 14:13

I haven't seen any of practice or had a chance to read many reports but it seems Red Bull are looking mighty quick? I was hoping that the harder tyres would help us more, particularly since people are struggling with warmup. Any thoughts on our chances?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 14:16

Alonso does not belive either.......yea he is the best...... but this is weakest point of him


If anything it is a strong point.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 14:22

I haven't seen any of practice or had a chance to read many reports but it seems Red Bull are looking mighty quick? I was hoping that the harder tyres would help us more, particularly since people are struggling with warmup. Any thoughts on our chances?


All the pundits say that Vettel already has this one in the bag barring reliability problems. A few Ferrari and Alonso fans think it's not over yet.
Take your pick.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 14:24

All the pundits say that Vettel already has this one in the bag barring reliability problems. A few Ferrari and Alonso fans think it's not over yet.
Take your pick.


I'll go with the latter, hope dies last!


#478 Juan Kerr

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 14:24

Suzuka 2006 all over again... fingers crossed.

Fingers crossed? Are you seriously insane?? I would much rather Alonso win than Vettel because of Vettel car advantage but to wish someone retires because of a blown engine like Schumacher's last championship fight is just sad. This is supposed to be a sporting spectacle, a sporting fight with the best man who performs the best winning. What you should be doing is hoping that Vettel/Alonso drives peerlessly to the championship.

Edited by Juan Kerr, 17 November 2012 - 14:25.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 14:30

Fingers crossed? Are you seriously insane?? I would much rather Alonso win than Vettel because of Vettel car advantage but to wish someone retires because of a blown engine like Schumacher's last championship fight is just sad. This is supposed to be a sporting spectacle, a sporting fight with the best man who performs the best winning. What you should be doing is hoping that Vettel/Alonso drives peerlessly to the championship.

Nope, it's a team contest, involving unique cars as well as drivers, and you make compromises between speed and reliability in the car. So a car failure is not a 'bad' way to win. It's an intrinsic part of the contest.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 14:36

Fingers crossed? Are you seriously insane?? I would much rather Alonso win than Vettel because of Vettel car advantage but to wish someone retires because of a blown engine like Schumacher's last championship fight is just sad. This is supposed to be a sporting spectacle, a sporting fight with the best man who performs the best winning. What you should be doing is hoping that Vettel/Alonso drives peerlessly to the championship.


No. We've explained this before: no one cares, especially not Fernando.

#481 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 14:37

Nope, it's a team contest, involving unique cars as well as drivers, and you make compromises between speed and reliability in the car. So a car failure is not a 'bad' way to win. It's an intrinsic part of the contest.


Exactly. How some people don't understand this yet beats the hell out of me.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:00

Considering that Alonso has not lead a lap of a race since Germany in July (!), a broken RBR is what we have to hope for. Like you guys say, it's all part of the game.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:03

I haven't seen any of practice or had a chance to read many reports but it seems Red Bull are looking mighty quick? I was hoping that the harder tyres would help us more, particularly since people are struggling with warmup. Any thoughts on our chances?


We at least still have a chance which is important, if we can qualify top 3 that chance will increase. :up:

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:27

35 mins of FP3 gone and no Ferrari runs. Apparently problems with Alonso's sidepods. Great start.

Edited by topical, 17 November 2012 - 15:34.


#485 kosmos

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:33

They did a lot of pit stop practices.

#486 Ravenak

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:35

I personally think they consider it to be too cold to do a lot of laps, but maybe it's just one of the reasons.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:43

Seems like Alonso did some aero tests. He was cruising at 200Km/h on some parts of the circuit on his last lap. Or this is some common practice in FP?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:46

Back to pits again !!

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:46

Seems like Alonso did some aero tests. He was cruising at 200Km/h on some parts of the circuit on his last lap. Or this is some common practice in FP?


i think its just that we suck, this is frustrating


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:48

13 minutes left, why the heck are they still not running?

#491 ViMaMo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 15:56

3rd for massa, but car still doesnt look planted.

Seb 1 sec faster !!

Edited by ViMaMo, 17 November 2012 - 15:58.


#492 kosmos

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:03

Our pace in the medium it's not very good and both drivers look like driving on the edge, the problem is going to be Maldonado or other "special guest".

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:03

The rear end on Alonso's car looks dreadful, plus McLaren are fast. Not that optimistic for qualifying.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:03

Alonso was struggling with the rear big time, I think it's gonna be difficult for us in qualy if we don't find some grip on the mediums, RedBull is light years away, this circuit + slippery conditions seems like a match made in heaven for them :-|

#495 aray

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:07

FA will qualify around 3rd place me believe,but it will end there....
theorizing a Vettel DNF don't give me any pleasure or hope at this point....


#496 Seanspeed

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:09

The car's just so difficult to drive. I'm a bit worried about mistakes during important qualifying laps.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:09

Both drivers suffering rear end grip problems. Do I need to watch qualifying ? :|

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:10

very pessimistic about the weekend now, it doesnt look good

#499 Ravenak

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:10

The car's just so difficult to drive. I'm a bit worried about mistakes during important qualifying laps.


Don't forget the temperatures will be higher this afternoon.

I think the car is set up for those, and that's why they drove less than usual this morning.

Should be slightly better in Qualy, 3rd is still the target of course.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:15

Temps only set to rise another 6-7 degrees... Probably won't make that much difference