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#501 RedOne

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:16

Higher temps will suit us, that's why Ferrari saw no point going out early I believe. But still qualifying top 3 will be tough, all about timing, coming out as late as possible or when the track is at its hottest.

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#502 ArkZ

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:16

The rear end is horrible, sliding like on a ice what happened with our great heating up the tires like in wet qualys. Q3 will be probably run on one set of option, 4 laps long.
How many degrees of the difference were between fp1 and fp2?

Edited by ArkZ, 17 November 2012 - 16:18.


#503 RedOne

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:17

Temps only set to rise another 6-7 degrees... Probably won't make that much difference


It does make a difference, have you not been watching these tyres all year?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:17

Temps only set to rise another 6-7 degrees... Probably won't make that much difference


6-7 degrees of track or air temperature is a massive difference when you are starting in the teens.

#505 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:18

What happened to our early season advantage warming the tyres up? We were always quicker when track temps were low, seems to not be the case now.

#506 kosmos

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:19

It does make a difference, have you not been watching these tyres all year?


The current tyres are not like the tyres from some months ago, this tyres are rocks, I will not be surprised if the team had problems with temperature.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:22

Whenever there are technical corners then Maldonado pops up... Spain, Singapore, Abu Dhabi.

Car looks a mess to drive, way too many corrections mid corner! Best Alonso can hope for is 6th I think... Behind the Red Bull's, McLaren's and Maldonado. Who knows what the Lotus' are capable of... I hope I'm wrong though.

Vettel on the other hand has so much faith in his car that he can simply turn in and plant his foot on the throttle on exit.

#508 Snic

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:24

The main problem is the lack of rear downforce which isn't generating enough heat in the medium tyres.. Note the big difference between Alonso desperately trying to scrub some heat into the tyres and Vettel, who seems to have near optimum grip within 1-2 laps on mediums. Although you're right, a few extra degrees should help Williams and Ferrari more than some of the others.. Time till tell :)

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:25

Ferrari trying to be smarter than the rest might prove costly. I doubt it will, but why be so cocky and sit in the pits and let the rest rubber the track in? They got no useful prime-runs at all!

Edited by race addicted, 17 November 2012 - 16:26.


#510 Ferrari2183

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:33

Ferrari trying to be smarter than the rest might prove costly. I doubt it will, but why be so cocky and sit in the pits and let the rest rubber the track in? They got no useful prime-runs at all!

Ferrari never do much running in FP3. They actually did more running today than I've seen in the past.

I hope scrubbing the tyres pays dividends in qualifying.

#511 kosmos

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:36

The main problem is S2, is because our DRS is no good or maybe because we struggle with turn 11?.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:38

I can't see any one special area where they're struggling this weekend. Six, seven, eight tenths off over one lap, is where I expected them to be.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:51

I thought the F2012 was good in medium to high speed corners and also at warming up the mediums. For whatever reason, both are being proved wrong here or maybe I had an incorrect view of the F2012's strengths.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:52

Higher temps will suit us, that's why Ferrari saw no point going out early I believe. But still qualifying top 3 will be tough, all about timing, coming out as late as possible or when the track is at its hottest.

Like I said in the Lotus thread, higher temps will suit a lot of cars. I think qualifying is going to be pretty unpredictable apart from Vettel being on pole.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:52

I'm also worried about that second last corner in qualifying. Better to drive within the limit and sacrifice a tenth or two or push to the limit and risk running wide and losing half a second? I wouldn't be surprised with anything from P3 to P7 this afternoon, though the latter would be a disaster as that first corner is just tailor made for crashes.

Seeing how good the RBR is in low grip conditions also makes me wonder whether rain is still desirable for Ferrari. Really reliability gremlins seems to be the only thing that can stop Vettel now.

Edited by topical, 17 November 2012 - 16:54.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:54

Sector #1
Pos No Driver Time
1 4 Lewis Hamilton 26.133
2 1 Sebastian Vettel 26.142
3 5 Fernando Alonso 26.217
4 8 Nico Rosberg 26.256
5 18 Pastor Maldonado 26.280
6 2 Mark Webber 26.284
7 6 Felipe Massa 26.286


Sector #2
Pos No Driver Time
1 1 Sebastian Vettel 38.271
2 18 Pastor Maldonado 38.281
3 4 Lewis Hamilton 38.337
4 8 Nico Rosberg 38.576
5 3 Jenson Button 38.583
6 5 Fernando Alonso 38.614
7 12 Nico Hulkenberg 38.657
8 7 Michael Schumacher 38.669
9 6 Felipe Massa 38.700

Sector #3
Pos No Driver Time
1 1 Sebastian Vettel 31.970
2 2 Mark Webber 32.165
3 6 Felipe Massa 32.231
4 4 Lewis Hamilton 32.278
5 8 Nico Rosberg 32.305
6 5 Fernando Alonso 32.305

Edited by kosmos, 17 November 2012 - 16:55.


#517 RedOne

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 17:01

Like I said in the Lotus thread, higher temps will suit a lot of cars. I think qualifying is going to be pretty unpredictable apart from Vettel being on pole.


Some more than others, no doubt higher temps will make Redbull and others go faster but it could possibly allow teams like Ferrari to close the gap since they seem to be struggling a lot more.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 17:02

Alonso can definitely find time in sector 3 if he stops running off track. It's sector 2 where the damage is done.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 17:20

Some more than others, no doubt higher temps will make Redbull and others go faster but it could possibly allow teams like Ferrari to close the gap since they seem to be struggling a lot more.

I'm not sure about that. I think you're very focused on the Ferrari's, but a lot of teams are struggling quite badly with the track conditions as well.

We might close the gap to Red Bull some, but I think they'll be well out of reach in the end. I'm more worried about Williams and Mercedes and Lotus getting ahead of us.

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#520 RedOne

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 17:33

They are a danger I admit. Just a shame we know the pole position spot already.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 17:47

I think all cars look terrible to drive, the asphalt is too slippery and it's too cold. Seems to me the Ferrari car can be fast but might take an eternity to get the tyres to work. I also believe it is completely impossible to say how a rise of 6-7 degrees (edit: and continuous rubbering-in during quali) will influence the competitive order, or what will happen tomorrow. Vettel seems to be a safe bet for pole, but I can see Ferrari anywhere between P2 and P15 on the grid.

Edit: And according to george1981 in the FP3 thread,

Pedro de la Rosa has been quoted as saying HRT and everyone else are struggling to turn the tyres on, after 10 laps they come off the car looking like new and that because of that the track isn't rubbering in and evolving as would be expected.


Makes it even more impossible to know what will happen, IMHO

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 17 November 2012 - 17:52.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:04

in FP3 it was 14 degrees track temp, now at start of quali it's 31

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 17 November 2012 - 18:04.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:08

in FP3 it was 14 degrees track temp, now at start of quali it's 31

Jesus.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:17

Massa looks good, Alonso struggling. Let's hope he's just not trying too hard at this stage.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:21

Q1 has been bad for us, Vettel looks unbeatable here :|

How was he 0.5s quicker with the yellow flags out for the HRT!?

#526 kosmos

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:22

Not a possitive way to start qualy, specially with Fernando. Temperature is way higher now....

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:23

Q1 has been bad for us, Vettel looks unbeatable here :|


Vettel has looked unbeatable since FP1 yesterday. And I bet he's not even trying yet.
I really hope Ferrari weren't pushing in that session otherwise they will be struggling to get into Q3.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:42

Massa is faster than Alonso ... fantastic :-)

#529 Claudiu

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:43

RedBull will have this for launch

#530 kosmos

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:44

Let's hope Fernando do better, great job by Massa so far.

#531 currupipi

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:44

whats up with alonso, massa .5 seconds faster

#532 dreamerBiH

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:44

Alonso has a big mouth. Talking the whole weekend how he is confident and not scared and so on. In fact he seems to be under immense pressure and he looks really bad at the moment. I hope he can prove me wrong but it seems that he stands no chance in this championship. This is over guys unless Vettel retires in one of the remaining two races.

#533 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:44

Alonso doing a terrible job in Q1 and Q2, he needs to do something in Q3.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:45

Massa is miles quicker than Alonso who just can't string together a lap.

#535 Vesuvius

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:45

Massa has looked much stronger today.

#536 Enzoluis

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:47

This is over guys unless Vettel retires in one of the remaining two races.


Unless Alonso has something in his bag, also a DFN maybe not enough.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:47

Where have all the upgrades gone?

#538 BorkoF2012

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:47

Alonso just can't do all sectors good together... What's wrong with him

#539 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:47

Massa looking like he could steal P2...Alonso looks nowhere.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:51

Where have all the upgrades gone?


upgrades or downgrades?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 18:55

OMG this sucks so much. I think I won't be able to watch the race...

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fuc*ing disgrace.

Edited by dreamerBiH, 17 November 2012 - 19:01.


#542 kosmos

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:02

Awful job by Alonso but whatever, it's clear that we don't have the car.

#543 Massa

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:02

WHAT A JOKE. Even Mercedes is faster.

#544 RockyRaccoon68

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:02

wtf? :confused:

#545 Claudiu

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:02

This is a joke ... the car is shit on this track

#546 Frank

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:02

More than 1 second! What excuses and scapegoat the development guys going to find?

#547 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:03

Neither car switched on the tyres, Massa a bit better. Sucks.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:03

Terrible by Alonso.What's gotten to his qualifying performances lately.All his hard working coming undone and a good chunk of it is his fault.Shouldve been p5 atleast.

#549 Claudiu

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:03

We really don't deserve to win anything this season ... not with a car like this.

#550 walkindude

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 19:04

Terrible by Alonso.What's gotten to his qualifying performances lately.All his hard working coming undone and a good chunk of it is his fault.Shouldve been p5 atleast.