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#751 Torsion

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:02

You have a point but I will still disagree as you can't compare that side and the practice starts done it to to the right side of the grid that is the racing line. It might not be as bad as most make it out to be but there will be an advantage for those on the odd numbered side


Well JB had also mentioned that on the stright line, that the cars don't lay down any rubber. Sure the racing line will be clean, but I am not sure whether the difference will be so significant.



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#752 BackOnTop

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:04

Obviously I am tremendously proud that Alonso is in the best team, and I wouldn,' change it for a thing. It was a way to explain how frustrates he must feel, watching every other team come with grear ideas while Ferrari remains stuck for the second year with a wind tunel so useless.

But the technical department is not something to be proud of.

-Ferrariy won the 2007 championship because McLaren tried its best not to give Alonso his third crown. If so, he would have won the title on August, because Kimi was nowhere. It's pretty obvious.

-Ferrari won the 2008 title fair and square.

So, although Ferrari is the main reason why F1 is what it is, they need a major shake-up, and Domenicali is not the man.

I guess the main problem with Ferrari at the moment is not the Tech Department.... but excess Money to spend. With excess money, comes excess pressure that it works. Ferrari needs to calm down and not "Change" the whole fundamental of the car just because they can like they did this year in the front end. So they were playing catch up throughout... while others were just refining their package and moving ahead from 2011.

Like they say, money can't buy you performance. Off late, Ferrari have been trying to fix all flaws by throwing money at it.... whereas the smaller teams like Lotus & Sauber are thinking more smartly with limited resources.



#753 weareracing

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:12

So, if Ferrari change the gearbox on Felipe's car, what's the betting that Red Bull do the same on Webber's car.
Fernando NET GAIN 2 places but still on the dirty side :kiss:

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:18

So, if Ferrari change the gearbox on Felipe's car, what's the betting that Red Bull do the same on Webber's car.


They need Webber to finish ahead of Alonso, though. Starting 4 places higher, he has at least some chance to still be in front at the end of the first lap. Not to mention, if he can pass Hamilton at the start (however small the chances of that are), he can help Vettel run away with the win.

Edited by sv401, 18 November 2012 - 14:24.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:19

You are a joke.


Nice.

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#756 kosmos

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:25

So, if Ferrari change the gearbox on Felipe's car, what's the betting that Red Bull do the same on Webber's car.
Fernando NET GAIN 2 places but still on the dirty side :kiss:



Ferrari will announce it as late as possible, maybe RB will have no time to react, if it happens of course.

#757 tifosii

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:33

I think it's a good idea..start from dirty sides will destroy Fernando's race

#758 topical

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:36

No, it's not embarassing, only the result matters.


Well then why not order Massa to not break at all at turn one and just ram Vettel off the track? Would that also be acceptable to you?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:39

Also, if Ferrari did do this and then the grip level difference is nowhere as big as feared (and I suspect the difference will not be that big) they would look like utter clowns. Best just leave it as it is and what will be will be.

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#760 Ravenak

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:44

Well then why not order Massa to not break at all at turn one and just ram Vettel off the track? Would that also be acceptable to you?


No, because it is dangerous and stupid, just like Frijns did to Bianchi.

Using a loophole in the regulations, that's genius.

#761 race addicted

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:49

All this concern about the start... I think those on the dirty side will have better starts. I'm leaning towards Button's theory that all those practice starts on the dirty side has laid down more rubber than on the clean side.


That theory doesn't hold water at all. These practice starts haven't been done all along the left side, and in addition to that the asphalt here is so low-friction they hardly put any rubber down at all.

Edited by race addicted, 18 November 2012 - 15:14.


#762 fabr68

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:52

So, if Ferrari change the gearbox on Felipe's car, what's the betting that Red Bull do the same on Webber's car.
Fernando NET GAIN 2 places but still on the dirty side :kiss:


Genius. Alonso would start 6th instead of 8th, with Webber easier to reach

#763 ArkZ

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 14:54

Hamilton said "I am the only car who has done a start on the clean side of the grid and that wasn't good either. There is just such low grip" so both sides are quite dirty ofc inside line is more but.. well we will see. Better concentrate on the race, after painful Saturday today is new day , lets hope for Valencia repeat where Alonso was in attack mode from the beginning, Hamilton also could be useful if he can overtake and stay ahead of Vettel.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:09

chat starting.

http://live4fan.ferrari.com/videochat/


Rivola confirmed that they are thinking about the gearbox and they scrubbed the tyres on fp3.

Edited by kosmos, 18 November 2012 - 15:13.


#765 swerved

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:14

Hamilton said "I am the only car who has done a start on the clean side of the grid and that wasn't good either. There is just such low grip" so both sides are quite dirty ofc inside line is more but.. well we will see. Better concentrate on the race, after painful Saturday today is new day , lets hope for Valencia repeat where Alonso was in attack mode from the beginning, Hamilton also could be useful if he can overtake and stay ahead of Vettel.



Button said that.

#766 race addicted

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:15

If they're "evaluating" doing it (changing the gearbox), then I think it's a given they'll do it.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:23

I was thinking about this yesterday when the discussion was about Webbers eventual penalty. "What's stopping Ferrari from changing Massas gearbox?". It's not like he's allowed to finish in front of Alonso anyway.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:25

chat starting.

http://live4fan.ferrari.com/videochat/


Rivola confirmed that they are thinking about the gearbox and they scrubbed the tyres on fp3.


At leats they talk about it openly and don't hide behind a lie.

Pure strategy.

#769 Massa

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:26

If they do this they are genius. Really.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:28

I get a feeling that it will be a good race for fernando..safety car will play a role

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:29

Mclaren's only 22 points behind in the WCC standings. I think Ferrari should remember that before making this decision.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:30

If they do this they are genius. Really.



RB is aware of it already, if RB do it with Webber, Alonso will start from the dirty side, 2 positions ahead but still the dirty side. Not sure where the rumor comes, they should have be quiet.

Edited by kosmos, 18 November 2012 - 15:30.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:30

At leats they talk about it openly and don't hide behind a lie.

Pure strategy.


Surely they'll present it to the world as a case of things being a bit on the edge with his box, and not as a tactical decision?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:32

Scarbs said

If unhappy with ferraris gbox explanation the FIA might impose parc ferme rules, make massa start from the pitlane & not shuffle up the grid




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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:37

I can't see Webber playing ball if Red Bull wanted to get Alonso back on the dirty side, no way. It would be a silly strategy for RBR anyway - remove a team car between Vettel & Alonso?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:43

Scarbs said


:up:

#777 shonguiz

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:44

Poor Massa, Imagine how hurt is his self-esteem if that's true.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:45

Poor Massa, Imagine how hurt is his self-esteem if that's true.


Why? :confused:

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:57

In a way very disappointing to read your note, 'cause Fernando performed so well this year and Ferrari team put him down in so may occasions. I do think that Fry has to go.


I don't remember the team putting Fernando. I remember them saying how great he has been. And no I don't think Fry needs to go. He's just getting started with transforming the team. It takes more than just a year.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:57

Why? :confused:


Qualify better than your teammate for the first time all year (Monza doesn't count) and get punished for it. It's pathetic. Ferrari can't have it every way - a few races ago it was "speed up Felipe, or you get the sack" - which was quite reasonable - and now it's "slow down Felipe, or we'll change your gearbox". I understand the logic behind it with the dirty trackside etc but I still think it's wrong.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:58

Poor Massa, Imagine how hurt is his self-esteem if that's true.


He should know that he's mathematically out of the championship. It's all about taking one for the team when you don't stand a chance anymore as an individual. If I were in F1, I'd gladly sacrifice my own position if it meant my teammate could win the championship.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:59

Please take the possible gearbox change to its own thread http://forums.autosp...p;#entry6029043

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 16:02

Qualify better than your teammate for the first time all year (Monza doesn't count) and get punished for it. It's pathetic. Ferrari can't have it every way - a few races ago it was "speed up Felipe, or you get the sack" - which was quite reasonable - and now it's "slow down Felipe, or we'll change your gearbox". I understand the logic behind it with the dirty trackside etc but I still think it's wrong.


Nothing to do with self-steem really, hence my question.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 16:41

Nothing to do with self-steem really, hence my question.


Fair enough. Anyhow, gearbox is just a sideshow. Fingers crossed for a good race. I hate these late starts.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 16:44

I'm not even sure the change is going to happen. Would be funny if it doesn't after all the fuss.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 18:29

Glad we get rid of Ferrari and alonso critics from this thread.
I have a feeling this race could go much better for Ferrari but WDC is quite a distant goal unless it rains in Brasil or Vettel has some sort of DNF - still a chance.

Forecast is rain for brasil gp :D
http://www.weatheron...p...&NOREGION=1

Edited by TIFOlonSO, 18 November 2012 - 18:56.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 18:46

I am only praying that the F2013 is not affected by the development troubles we have had this year, but I think that is praying against better knowledge.

I am putting my hope on the F2014 with hopefully a development team and development tools that are fully working at the time they start developing for that car.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 18:47

Why? :confused:

Because F1 drivers are ego monsters who only seek win at all cost, in this situation, it was him doing one of hi best best quali this year and yet by a simple call it was all destryed without second thought just for the sake of his teammate, i don't blame them for doing so, i just think that this is the kind of thing that hurts a driver, he has the reputation of being alonso's pet, and his new doing of this team won't help cure that.

Edited by shonguiz, 18 November 2012 - 18:48.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 18:58

Because F1 drivers are ego monsters who only seek win at all cost, in this situation, it was him doing one of hi best best quali this year and yet by a simple call it was all destryed without second thought just for the sake of his teammate, i don't blame them for doing so, i just think that this is the kind of thing that hurts a driver, he has the reputation of being alonso's pet, and his new doing of this team won't help cure that.


Well, cant say that Massa did not have 18 races to drive better and lift his ego.

It does not matter, for Ferrari this race will be mostly about luck and precision driving.

Edited by fabr68, 18 November 2012 - 18:58.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 19:18

Sector 3 times are just horrible :(

#791 Ferrari2183

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 19:21

Alonso is just too slow in the 3rd sector...

#792 tarmac

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 19:35

Wake up Alonso

#793 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 19:39

Poor pitstop. First one of the season at the worst possible time.

#794 walkindude

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 19:43

I'm out guys.This is lost.Fernando is so damn slow.

#795 JBLeon

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 19:47

I honestly think Fernando doesn't give a shít anymore.



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Posted 18 November 2012 - 19:49

Yea well he should.If his times matched Massa's he would be fighting right up there.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 19:55

This is depressing. Put me out of my misery please.

#798 JBLeon

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 19:58

It's obvious Fernando does not enjoy this track. And seeing the two RBs and Lewis just shoot away like a bullet isn't helping matters.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 20:01

I don't think it has anything to do with enjoy, something weird is going on this weekend. Anyway we don't have the pace.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 20:10

I don't think it has anything to do with enjoy, something weird is going on this weekend. Anyway we don't have the pace.


"Weird"?

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