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#1 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 23:36

Abu Dhabi now looks to be a very interesting race with championship leader Vettel starting from the pit lane due to a fueling infraction.


Can Alonso take advantage to reclaim the points lead?

How far up the grid can Vettel go?

Will Massa play a role to hold Vettel out of the points?


Pay attention, interesting race ahead!

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#2 tomisumi

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 23:39

Going to bed :p (and watch Canada 90 along)

#3 superdelphinus

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 23:42

I think alonso will do well to even cancel out the lead to be honest. I don't think vettel's penalty is really going to alter the final destination of the driver's title

#4 superdelphinus

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 23:43

The funniest thing of all time would be if ham initiated his own team orders and let alo through to win

#5 darkkis

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 23:45

Hopefully Vettel climbs up. Would hate to see Alonso win the title. :down:

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 23:51

Abu Dhabi now looks to be a very interesting race...


Nope. There could be an interesting result to close the points gap between the top two, but that doesn't mean we're going to get a corker around this car park best characterised by the phallic hotel it's built around.

#7 zeph

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 23:54

The funniest thing of all time would be if ham initiated his own team orders and let alo through to win


Like someone said elsewhere, a common enemy can turn former foes into friends.


However, I think the WDC is Vettel's to lose. RBR has proven again that they are the best. Lest Ferrari magically pull a rabbit out of the hat and make the F2012 a lot faster, no amount of tenacity or brilliance from Alonso is gonna be enough to turn it all around.

But there is always luck and fate...



GO ALONSO!




#8 Kingshark

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 00:43

The funniest thing of all time would be if ham initiated his own team orders and let alo through to win

:lol: :up:

#9 BetaVersion

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:31

Only thing I'm quite sure about this race is that it's gonna suck a LOT :|

#10 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:22

Alonso should be happy with a podium of any sort.

Vettel should be happy with points of any sort.

The race will likely be dull (don't let Vettel overtaking far slower cars, or easy DRS passes between other drivers make you think it's an exciting race).

#11 Kelateboy

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:54

Alonso should be happy with a podium of any sort.

Vettel should be happy with points of any sort.

Right on.

This should be a snooze fest with a single pit stop. The circuit is crappy of the highest order. Expect Sebastian to retire if he could not get into the points.

Hopefully the front runners won't take each other out into turn 1 and present a gift to Alonso.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:55

Well at least Seb's penalty (or whatever) turns this into an interesting race :)

I'm not a fan of his, but this kid can bloody well drive and I'm actually looking forward to seeing him employ some racing skills in a charge from the back of the field, rather than winning the first corner battle and waltzing off into the distance. He's going to have to pass more than half the field to score a single point, most of which he will dispense with fairly easily I reckon.... It's when he gets up towards the sharp end of the mid pack that his shorter gearing and the double DRS zone will begin to work against him somewhat. Hopefully we get to see some epic overtakes like at Spa this year?

Lewis, Webbo, Fred in that order for the podium, with Seb charging to 6/7 is my best guess at this stage...

#13 Kelateboy

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:00

Lewis, Webbo, Fred in that order for the podium, with Seb charging to 6/7 is my best guess at this stage...

I hope you are right, but I am not that optimistic :)

Vettel should pray for a safety car period to tighthen the field at the mid-stage of the race.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:59

Well they have three assistants to help achieve that.
Probably pick on the two from the second string team to contrive the pace car rather then finger Mark.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 04:03

Well they have three assistants to help achieve that.
Probably pick on the two from the second string team to contrive the pace car rather then finger Mark.

A visit from Helmut Marko to STR would definitely smooth things up.... :)

#16 packapoo

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:05

A visit from Helmut Marko to STR would definitely smooth things up.... :)


:wave:

#17 KOMORI

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:43

Dear god imagine the implosion on here that would occur if something along the lines of RBR conniving with STR to help Seb's chances in this race....

It would create a tear in the time space continuum from which none would escape ;)

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:47

Hopefully Vettel climbs up. Would hate to see Alonso win the title. :down:

That's exactly how i feel. I really really really don't want FA to win. Yes I admit it.
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#19 Buxbaum

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:20

That's exactly how i feel. I really really really don't want FA to win. Yes I admit it.
:cry:


I want KR to win which will not happen. If Alonso and Vettel will get 0 points and KR wins well. :smoking:

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#20 fastdriver

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:28

I want KR to win which will not happen. If Alonso and Vettel will get 0 points and KR wins well. :smoking:

We can hope...

#21 exmayol

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:32

I actually think SV can get it into a top 5 if he avoids accidents and all.

#22 Wheels23

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:41

Maldonado for the win.

Book it, bros and girl-bros.

Vettel will not be scoring any points that is an odd number and he will finish around 35 seconds off the winner.

#23 shonguiz

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:49

I hope that finger boy will piss even more the sore looser groupies tomorrow.

#24 race addicted

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 07:59

If he finishes 35 seconds behind the winner, he will get a good chunk of points.

#25 Wheels23

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:01

If he finishes 35 seconds behind the winner, he will get a good chunk of points.


He just can't finish 3rd or 10th because they are odd numbers in points.

#26 Buxbaum

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:26

He just can't finish 3rd or 10th because they are odd numbers in points.

5 and 7 are odd numbers as well.
Or don't you mean : http://en.wikipedia....ki/Prime_number :confused:

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:38

I wonder if RBR will gamble on low(er) DF setup as everyone is suggesting. They never did that before, they have no real data on how the car will react if they take a lot of wing of. His ultimate pace will be slower on that setup anyway, so in a normal race I can't see him going very far, maybe he can salvage some points but not much more in my opinion.

Alonso really needs a good result today, podium is on the cards with a good start and strategy, hopefully they will make it work.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:54

5 and 7 are odd numbers as well.
Or don't you mean : http://en.wikipedia....ki/Prime_number :confused:


Odd numbers in points

1st - 25 - Since he will finish 35 seconds off this - Null
2nd - 18
3rd - 15 - 15 is an odd number
4th - 12
5th - 10 - 10 isn't odd
6th - 8
7th - 6 - Not odd either
8th - 4
9th - 2
10th - 1 point - 1 is odd



#29 BigWicks

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:13

I actually think SV can get it into a top 5 if he avoids accidents and all.


If we have a normal race then he cannot finish ahead of:

the two mclarens
the two ferraris
webber
the two lotuses

so you are looking at 8th at best for him. so he's relying on quite a few problems for him to get as high as 5th.

#30 apoka

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:16

I want KR to win which will not happen. If Alonso and Vettel will get 0 points and KR wins well. :smoking:

Funnily, I'd take that result as a Vettel supporter given the circumstances.  ;)


#31 Massa_f1

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:39

Being realistic the best Vettel can hope for in a normal race is 8th to 10th. This track is ridiculous for overtaking even with DRS we saw it last year.

#32 CrashPad

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:43

Typical, for once Raikkonen has a decent shot to fight for the win or atleast podium and just this time I can't see the race ):
Oh well, atleast I get to be drunk :stoned:

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:45

First Stint
2 HRTS
2 Marussias
2 Caterhams
and possibly the 2 toro rossos....these 2 will essentially move over.....

that gives him 16th position at least.

Am thinking there will be a couple of retirements (At least 2) which will bump him up to 14th

2nd Stint
below are the Cars he will need to pass in the reverse order......am also thinking we will have a schumacher DNF as usual which should place him 13th......getting past the saubers Williams and Force indias will really be a tall order and he will basically have about 25-30 Laps to do this......at the same time managing his tyres. if there is a safety car though his chances will increase.....I think he can do an 8th or a 9th ...but we'll see

09 Romain Grosjean
10 Nico Hulkenberg
11 Sergio Perez
12 Paul di Resta
13 Michael Schumacher
14 Bruno Senna
15 Kamui Kobayashi



and if he thinks about the win....well these are the drivers he will need to get past (In reverse order)

01 Lewis Hamilton
02 Mark Webber
03 Pastor Maldonado
04 Kimi Raikkonen
05 Jenson Button
06 Fernando Alonso
07 Nico Rosberg
08 Felipe Massa

#34 Wade

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:45

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if Seb can finish higher than let's say........7th. But you never know.

Hoping for a fun race!

#35 WatchingF1since4yearsold

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:57

come on Lewis! hopefully Alonso on podium as well to keep title alive...

be nice to see Button get some good points too

#36 BigWicks

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:02

Alonso has to aim for 2nd today. I think Hamilton is out of reach pace wise, but everyone else Alonso can race with.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:08

I actually think SV can get it into a top 5 if he avoids accidents and all.



One of the reasons I think RB's decision to start Vettel from the pit-lane was to avoid crashing out through over aggressive start if he had started off the back of the grid.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:13

Who's up for doing a shot every time Vettel overtakes someone? I call it the Germanian Challenge!

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:15

Who's up for doing a shot every time Vettel overtakes someone? I call it the Germanian Challenge!

:lol: I'll get back to you after the race.

Edited by Jovanotti, 04 November 2012 - 10:17.


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#40 apoka

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:21

One of the reasons I think RB's decision to start Vettel from the pit-lane was to avoid crashing out through over aggressive start if he had started off the back of the grid.

I don't think that's a main reason. He could play it safe and still overtake a few backmarkers. They must be convinced that the seconds lost in the pitlane are worth it.


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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:22

Who's up for doing a shot every time Vettel overtakes someone? I call it the Germanian Challenge!

Sounds like a good way to make the race entertaining. :D

#42 SpaMaster

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:22

Alonso has to aim for 2nd today. I think Hamilton is out of reach pace wise, but everyone else Alonso can race with.

We will see..

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:23

I am buzzing for this one, couldn't get to sleep last night. So looking forwards to seeing Vettel charge through the field.

#44 superdelphinus

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:27

I reckon he'll have crashed out by the 3rd lap

#45 kartinhero

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:28

Who's up for doing a shot every time Vettel overtakes someone? I call it the Germanian Challenge!

Awsome! I'm in.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:30

Seb's tyres will cop a flogging tonight since he won't have the luxury of pole so a points finish would be a good result.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:47

So can they change Seb's gear ratios given that he's starting from the pitlane? Or are they nominated prior to the race and therefore he's stuck with whatever they've already chosen?

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:48

Final grid published

No	Driver	Team	Grid
4	Lewis Hamilton	McLaren-Mercedes	1
2	Mark Webber	Red Bull Racing-Renault	2
18	Pastor Maldonado	Williams-Renault	3
9	Kimi Räikkönen	Lotus-Renault	4
3	Jenson Button	McLaren-Mercedes	5
5	Fernando Alonso	Ferrari	6
8	Nico Rosberg	Mercedes	7
6	Felipe Massa	Ferrari	8
10	Romain Grosjean	Lotus-Renault	9
12	Nico Hulkenberg	Force India-Mercedes	10
15	Sergio Perez	Sauber-Ferrari	11
11	Paul di Resta	Force India-Mercedes	12
7	Michael Schumacher	Mercedes	13
19	Bruno Senna	Williams-Renault	14
14	Kamui Kobayashi	Sauber-Ferrari	15
16	Daniel Ricciardo	STR-Ferrari	16
17	Jean-Eric Vergne	STR-Ferrari	17
20	Heikki Kovalainen	Caterham-Renault	18
25	Charles Pic	Marussia-Cosworth	19
21	Vitaly Petrov	Caterham-Renault	20
24	Timo Glock	Marussia-Cosworth	21
22	Pedro de la Rosa	HRT-Cosworth	22
23	Narain Karthikeyan	HRT-Cosworth	23
1	Sebastian Vettel	Red Bull Racing-Renault	24


#49 Snic

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:52

Martin Whitmarsh ‏@fakewhitmarsh
I wouldn't be surprised if Maldonado woke up today next to a horse head... #F1


made me chuckle :)

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:06

So can they change Seb's gear ratios given that he's starting from the pitlane? Or are they nominated prior to the race and therefore he's stuck with whatever they've already chosen?


Gear ratio's change costs 5 places on the grid after Friday night. But as he is starting from the pits, this becomes irrelevant. He will have them changed as well as the gearbox and will be given a 9th engine.