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Between this and Spa, how amazing is F1 safety these days?


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#1 FastestSector

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:14

Today's INSANE crash -

Just think that would have been two deaths not too long ago!

Amazed by it.

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#2 skinnyman

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:20

You won't get 3 answers in this topic, if it was Michael instead of Nico it would be at page 37 already.

#3 Realyn

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:23

Was this angle shown on the world feed? Can't remember it. Maybe just looked away at that moment. Incredible speed difference, really.

#4 Nonesuch

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:23

On the one hand, it's good that there are so few ways these days that a driver can be seriously hurt. On the other, there will come a time when the exposed head of the driver will no longer escape severe injury. Between this accident, Alonso in Spa, Michael here in previous years (2010?), Wurz in Australia and of course Massa's accident in 2009 it's been close a lot of times.

#5 Clatter

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:23

It was a big crash but I don't think the safety updates were the reason no one was hurt. Sheer luck has been the biggest factor at play.

#6 ensign14

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:24

Too good. Nobody thinks there's a downside to driving like a dick.

#7 FastestSector

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:31

It can't be too good...

#8 H2H

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:31


Despite the fantastic drive by the youngerst double WDC and a great win of Mr. Iceman the moment in which I saw Nico and Narain out of the car was arguably the best. It looked terrible.

#9 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:36

Rather than be amazed and complacent you should first of all consider that drivers in the past were less inclined to be involved in avoidable incidents such as these and more so that ultimately a large slice of luck kept both Narain and Fernando from being struck on the head.

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 04 November 2012 - 15:37.


#10 ensign14

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:40

It can't be too good...

It can. Because at some point the luck will run out and a driver will be killed. When a little less security would have meant that months before someone might have had a broken leg or something that would have ensured the fatal accident would never have happened.

#11 jj2728

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 16:04

Rather than be amazed and complacent you should first of all consider that drivers in the past were less inclined to be involved in avoidable incidents such as these


Simply because it was less safe in years' past does not mean accidents, avoidable or not, were less inclined to take place. I've seen more than a few accidents where it amazed me that the driver was able to walk away unscathed.

#12 jj2728

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 16:28

Just think that would have been two deaths not too long ago!



No, I don't think so. There have been much worse accidents and the drivers have walked away from them.


#13 ali.unal

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 16:42

It was a big crash but I don't think the safety updates were the reason no one was hurt. Sheer luck has been the biggest factor at play.

And huge run-off. I don't want to think what would have happened if this crash had been in Canada or Valencia.

#14 Kucki

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 16:44

That was nothing special for the Tecpro barriers. They should be put at much more places then we would not need all these asphalt run off areas everywhere.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 16:45

I'm going to withhold saying what I really think until we get full information but my first thought are not very positive towards Narain...

#16 dau

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 16:48

It was a big crash but I don't think the safety updates were the reason no one was hurt. Sheer luck has been the biggest factor at play.

Sure, but the Tecpro barriers obviously did their part as well. I don't know if Rosberg would've jumped out of that car as quickly as he did had it been the concrete walls from yesteryear behind a gravel pit instead of tarmac runoff.

#17 muramasa

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 16:52


hmm, in all those footages from early 90s that I watch on youtubes and videos, they show those spectacular scenes of F1 cars crashing, rolling over, flip-flopping, flying, somersaulting, and so on and narrates "how safe modern F1 is, how amazing this carbon fiber and monocoque cell technology is, etc.


#18 BigWicks

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 16:55

Do you know what concerns me with a lot of these crashes? How easily the trailing car gets airborne whilst the car being hit just doesn't budge. Why is this, I'm sure going back 10-15 years it wasn't as stark as this.

#19 jj2728

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 17:17

Do you know what concerns me with a lot of these crashes? How easily the trailing car gets airborne whilst the car being hit just doesn't budge. Why is this, I'm sure going back 10-15 years it wasn't as stark as this.


All you need to do is look at the Villeneuve and Pironi crashes in 1982 to see that it's pretty much always been the case, or at least since the engines went from the front to the back.

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#20 ANF

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 17:18

Looks like Karthikeyan was saved by the roll hoop. I wonder how much the roll hoops have improved since Diniz's accident at the Nürburgring?

Pedro Diniz has called for an investigation into car safety after his horrifying accident at the start of the European Grand Prix.

The Brazilian is lucky to be alive after his Sauber was launched into the air off Alexander Wurz's Benetton and the roll over hoop, which was supposed to protect his head and neck, broke as the car skidded along upside down for 30 yards.

http://www.autosport...ort.php/id/6675


http://youtu.be/UN7YH_tlrkU?t=2m22s

Edited by ANF, 04 November 2012 - 17:25.


#21 muramasa

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 17:27

Do you know what concerns me with a lot of these crashes? How easily the trailing car gets airborne whilst the car being hit just doesn't budge. Why is this, I'm sure going back 10-15 years it wasn't as stark as this.

Not really.
Ive watched footages of quite a few cars going airborne in 80s and 90s too.
00s we have Ralf(?) lifting off at OZ(?), Webber at Valencia couple years ago, etc.

if you ride on the rear tyre from the back, you go airbourne. it hasnt changed since 30 years ago or so when current formula car configuration was introduced.


#22 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 21:28

The rear facing face of a rear tyre is spinning upwards at a fair few RPMs, what ever hits this is going upwards. F1 cars are also very light at the front. Perfect storm.

#23 BigCHrome

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 21:33

Seriously? It wasn't that bad at all. They would've survived in the 80s or 90s.

#24 choyothe

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 21:36

So what was the story with this? Something mechanical on the HRT or just Karthikeyan being Karthikeyan?

#25 midgrid

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 21:38

So what was the story with this? Something mechanical on the HRT or just Karthikeyan being Karthikeyan?


Sudden hydraulics failure which caused his steering to lock.


#26 choyothe

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 21:47

Sudden hydraulics failure which caused his steering to lock.


Okay thanks.

#27 engel

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 21:51

It was a big crash but I don't think the safety updates were the reason no one was hurt. Sheer luck has been the biggest factor at play.


Tecpro and Hans play a huge part in saving Nico's bacon, even if we take them as granted

#28 scheivlak

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 22:31

Not really.
Ive watched footages of quite a few cars going airborne in 80s and 90s too.
00s we have Ralf(?) lifting off at OZ(?), Webber at Valencia couple years ago, etc.

if you ride on the rear tyre from the back, you go airbourne. it hasnt changed since 30 years ago or so when current formula car configuration was introduced.

Ralf was 2002 (somehow I remembered that because it was Toyota's, Massa's and Webber's debut).
Still I tend to think the tendency to fly has evolved since cars have higher noses.

#29 engel

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 22:35

Ralf was 2002 (somehow I remembered that because it was Toyota's, Massa's and Webber's debut).
Still I tend to think the tendency to fly has evolved since cars have higher noses.


there's still a point (or an angle of attack to be more precise) where the wings stop generating df and they generate lift. The new lower noses help stop the cars from getting to that critical point where their wings generate lift but still ... when you ride over somebody else's tub you will start flying, there's nothing they can realistically do about it

#30 ANF

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 22:45

Nah, Ralf and Jacques was 2001.

#31 scheivlak

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 22:47

Nah, Ralf and Jacques was 2001.

But Ralf and Rubens was 2002!
And that was Ralf's flight.

Edited by scheivlak, 04 November 2012 - 22:51.


#32 Kucki

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 22:52

Hey ANF what kind of Suzuka configuration is that? I think I have driven all configurations of Suzuka in iRacing and I dont ever seen this one

#33 leovzla

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 23:01

we have a prophet

#34 ANF

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 02:36

But Ralf and Rubens was 2002!
And that was Ralf's flight.

Oh! I had forgotten all about that one! Thank you. :)
(And John Watson and Ben Edwards on BernieVision? What the hell?)

#35 ANF

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 02:38

Hey ANF what kind of Suzuka configuration is that? I think I have driven all configurations of Suzuka in iRacing and I dont ever seen this one

It's the GP track. I chopped it off at the tunnel.