Vettel was lucky in that a lot of the cars in front disappeared and the timing of the safety cars benefited him.
What cars were those? Hamilton and....? Webber retired from behind, who else? Sure there were retirements but which of those were going to stay ahead of Vettel? Without the SCs, who was going to beat Vettel for 4th (after Hamilton retired)? Vettel wasn't held behind anyone except Webber (ridiculous BTW that RBR didn't employ team orders and let Vettel past and let them go further, poor management. I feel they're feeling pressure nowadays in those kinds of situations, which is Webber's fault, so I'm not feeling bad he got stuck back there.) before Button.
The difference is that Hamilton was much, much faster than anyone else during that race. Was Vettel that much faster than Webber? Didn't look like it.
Yes he was. In a car that was compromised ultimate-pace wise.
You said Alonso's pass on Webber wasn't really a pass because he had ridiculous top speed. Now can we from that statement deduce that none of Vettel's overtakes were actually overtakes due to his ridiculous top speed.
Also, you're crediting Vettel for his overtake on Button but you're dismissing Alonso's overtake on Maldonado. Button was on worn, slower tyres and suffering with traction when Vettel overtook him.
I see you throw around the words double standards quite a bit in the forums. Wouldn't you say the above is a double standard?
As for Alonso underperforming, I think you should take a look at the amount of time he lost to tyre heating issues which he confirmed after the race. Without accounting for the pit stop he lost about 8 seconds to those ahead of him just from the safety cars. That's plenty time dude but to answer your question Alonso had a good day at the office. Nothing extraordinary.
I don't think I said Alonso on Webber wasn't an overtake, I said Alonso on Button wasn't. Sorry if I did.
From what I could see Maldonado was suffering far worse than Button at that point, in addition the move started from his mistake which gave Alonso the run he wasn't getting otherwise on that lap at least, also Alonso was ahead into the braking zone and Maldonado didn't and couldn't fight at that point at all. It was an okay move, but nothing compared to Vettel on Button. Just like Alonso drove an okay race, but nothing on Vettel.
Edited by choyothe, 05 November 2012 - 10:45.