Jump to content


Photo

United States Grand Prix Build Up


  • Please log in to reply
196 replies to this topic

#51 loki

loki
  • Member

  • 1,947 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:01

In the eyes of the law and for all legal purposes, Tilke did design the track. Neither Tavo or Schwantz would legally be able to take responsibility for the design of the track as they are not licensed engineers. They are Tilke's client and while they can put forth proposals for Tilke, Tilke must shape those proposals into legal parameters in references to the FIA's regulations.


In the US you don't have to be a licensed engineer to design a race track. Engineers need to sign off on structures, infrastructure, etc but the actual racing circuit requires no such accreditation. Any grading may fall under the auspices of a civil engineer. That would be true of any project that required grading, depending on the locale. With the exception of a PE or FE, many if not most engineers in the US aren't licensed at all. Any licensing that happens is at the state level and not nationally.

On edit: I just looked at the Texas Dept of Licensing and Regulation and Texas Board of Engineers and neither Hermann Tilke nor Tilke Engineering have a Texas contracting license or are licensed PEs in the state. That's not such a big deal as the general contractor on projects of that scale can either sign off on the work or have it reviewed by another sub contracted PE or firm for any evaluation that may require a PE sign off. I'd bet Austin General has taken care of this sort of thing.

Edited by loki, 10 November 2012 - 04:23.


Advertisement

#52 showtime

showtime
  • Member

  • 2,585 posts
  • Joined: March 09

Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:23

First sector looks fast...

http://www.youtube.c...z7WM6v-o#t=480s

#53 Tauhid

Tauhid
  • Member

  • 227 posts
  • Joined: October 10

Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:43

Lewis for pole, Fernando for the win! In all seriousness though, looks like a damn good track. The drivers are bound to love it. Even happier to get two races in North America from here on out.

#54 aray

aray
  • Member

  • 2,525 posts
  • Joined: September 09

Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:12

Lewis pole,then car fails at the very start....
Alonso leading for 40 laps,then his gearbox fails...
Vettel win race and championship....:smoking:

#55 APR824

APR824
  • Member

  • 43 posts
  • Joined: March 10

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:18

In the US you don't have to be a licensed engineer to design a race track. Engineers need to sign off on structures, infrastructure, etc but the actual racing circuit requires no such accreditation. Any grading may fall under the auspices of a civil engineer. That would be true of any project that required grading, depending on the locale. With the exception of a PE or FE, many if not most engineers in the US aren't licensed at all. Any licensing that happens is at the state level and not nationally.

On edit: I just looked at the Texas Dept of Licensing and Regulation and Texas Board of Engineers and neither Hermann Tilke nor Tilke Engineering have a Texas contracting license or are licensed PEs in the state. That's not such a big deal as the general contractor on projects of that scale can either sign off on the work or have it reviewed by another sub contracted PE or firm for any evaluation that may require a PE sign off. I'd bet Austin General has taken care of this sort of thing.

On the FIA level though, they aren't going to accept track designs that aren't properly designed to their regulations.

#56 boldhakka

boldhakka
  • Member

  • 2,713 posts
  • Joined: September 10

Posted 10 November 2012 - 12:45

I feel a bit uneasy about Romain's comment "The first corner certainly looks to be good fun."


Perez, Grosjean, Maldanado, and Schumacher. 4-wide into T1. That would be fun to see.

#57 Red17

Red17
  • Member

  • 3,299 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 10 November 2012 - 13:31

United States preview quotes - Red Bull, Lotus, McLaren & more [Mercedes, Sauber and Marussia]

#58 loki

loki
  • Member

  • 1,947 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 10 November 2012 - 23:53

On the FIA level though, they aren't going to accept track designs that aren't properly designed to their regulations.


Which is what Tilke did. Hellmund and Schwantz came up with the basic layout that fit the terrain and Tilke made sure it conformed to FIA specs. From what I understand Tilke representatives supervised the crew in TX on the actual paving including sourcing the material. Alan Wilson here in the US could have done the same thing but with Tilke's relationship with FOM it makes good sense to stick with what they know. For the COTA project in the US Tilke would be considered a consultant or sub contractor. All the parties did do quite a nice job on the facility as a whole.


#59 travbrad

travbrad
  • Member

  • 561 posts
  • Joined: October 07

Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:56

Well that's not really true. Eau Rauge flat in a HRT or in the wet? Ya well...


If we are judging F1 based on HRT, then F1 cars can't even make it through a race without brake failures.

Advertisement

#60 bourbon

bourbon
  • Member

  • 6,058 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:21

I'm on my way to the USGP...train rolling, scenery passing and getting excited! Can't wait to see this track and I'll share some sights with you guys.

Burbs

#61 seahawk

seahawk
  • Member

  • 3,132 posts
  • Joined: November 09

Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:51

My hope for the GP. Sunny weather, stay outside, miss the GP.

#62 mnmracer

mnmracer
  • Member

  • 1,972 posts
  • Joined: September 12

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:57

With all those sweeps, it looks like it's going to be a very hard track for the driver's condition. Do we still have any unfit drivers these days?

#63 Shiroo

Shiroo
  • Member

  • 4,012 posts
  • Joined: October 12

Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:09

With all those sweeps, it looks like it's going to be a very hard track for the driver's condition. Do we still have any unfit drivers these days?

Raikkonen looks quite chabby (but not as much as he looked at the start of the season).

#64 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 9,427 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:13

I don't think he (or any other driver) had fitness issues at Suzuka and this track looks very much like Suzuka to me.

#65 Fallout

Fallout
  • Member

  • 430 posts
  • Joined: June 09

Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:38

Raikkonen looks quite chabby (but not as much as he looked at the start of the season).


I disagree. Any guy who wins the Abu Dhabi GP couldn't possibly be chubby or unfit. Kimi has always looked a bit more beefy than other drivers, which is obviously because most of the grid are tiny men with big necks.

#66 Starish

Starish
  • Member

  • 985 posts
  • Joined: January 11

Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:41

Raikkonen looks quite chabby (but not as much as he looked at the start of the season).

He was always like that, in his Mclaren days even he had that chin, some people will have it not matter what. If you actually know about physique you would see he is as fit as any other driver and along with his reaction after races... he usually doesn't look exhausted or really stressed as some other drivers.

#67 MonacoMaster

MonacoMaster
  • Member

  • 104 posts
  • Joined: May 12

Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:51

He was always like that, in his Mclaren days even he had that chin, some people will have it not matter what. If you actually know about physique you would see he is as fit as any other driver and along with his reaction after races... he usually doesn't look exhausted or really stressed as some other drivers.


Yeah, but that must be because he doesn't try hard enough.. :up:

#68 Rubens Hakkamacher

Rubens Hakkamacher
  • Member

  • 1,567 posts
  • Joined: March 04

Posted 12 November 2012 - 13:44

he usually doesn't look exhausted or really stressed as some other drivers.


He allegedly sleeps "a lot"...




#69 TurboF1

TurboF1
  • Member

  • 698 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 12 November 2012 - 14:31

I get there thurday night, can't wait to walk the track. I'll be camped out at the turn 6 grandstand, hope to get lots of pics for you guys!

#70 goingthedistance

goingthedistance
  • Member

  • 2,092 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 12 November 2012 - 14:39

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1
#F1 Pirelli confirms that drivers will be given an extra set of hard tyres in Austin on Friday, which should guarantee a busy track

Is there any specific reason for this? I think it's great for the show, but it reeks of "America is special" so let's make sure the cars are on the track more than normal.

#71 Seanspeed

Seanspeed
  • Member

  • 14,197 posts
  • Joined: October 08

Posted 12 November 2012 - 14:55

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1
#F1 Pirelli confirms that drivers will be given an extra set of hard tyres in Austin on Friday, which should guarantee a busy track

Is there any specific reason for this? I think it's great for the show, but it reeks of "America is special" so let's make sure the cars are on the track more than normal.

US is a big market. They want the event to be a success.

So yes, its because America *is* special.

#72 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 9,427 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 12 November 2012 - 15:07

I don't see why is it any sort of favoritism for the US, it's a new track hence they need more running?

#73 SamH123

SamH123
  • Member

  • 1,161 posts
  • Joined: September 12

Posted 12 November 2012 - 15:08

That's good news for FP
I assume they reckon rain is only a low chance then!

#74 MP422

MP422
  • Member

  • 1,717 posts
  • Joined: November 11

Posted 12 November 2012 - 15:08

Go America !! I'm so proud.

#75 Clatter

Clatter
  • Member

  • 27,210 posts
  • Joined: February 00

Posted 12 November 2012 - 15:11

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1
#F1 Pirelli confirms that drivers will be given an extra set of hard tyres in Austin on Friday, which should guarantee a busy track

Is there any specific reason for this? I think it's great for the show, but it reeks of "America is special" so let's make sure the cars are on the track more than normal.


I think this has been done for all new circuits.

#76 Bunchies

Bunchies
  • Member

  • 1,499 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 12 November 2012 - 15:13

I think it's great for the show, but it reeks of "America is special" so let's make sure the cars are on the track more than normal.


It doesn't reek of anything.

I've seen extra tires show up to other practice sessions too. Maybe we should deride those countries for thinking they're special as well.

#77 Trust

Trust
  • Member

  • 3,170 posts
  • Joined: November 09

Posted 12 November 2012 - 15:15

Kimi will dominate S1, shame his car won't follow his abilities through S2&S3, so expect to see him 5th on the grid at the very best. Other drivers will storm with theirs car advantage.

Edited by Trust, 12 November 2012 - 15:15.


#78 InSearchOfThe

InSearchOfThe
  • Member

  • 513 posts
  • Joined: June 10

Posted 12 November 2012 - 15:42

Yeah, but that must be because he doesn't try hard enough.. :up:

Yeah, he tried just hard enough to beat aurguably the most complete driver on the grid.FA

#79 Vesuvius

Vesuvius
  • Member

  • 5,782 posts
  • Joined: August 09

Posted 12 November 2012 - 16:02

Raikkonen looks quite chabby (but not as much as he looked at the start of the season).


He is just not so thin on the face but that doesnt mean he is not fit! He is very thin on other areas and is much more muscular than many other drivers on the grid. Also Kimi's neck is without any doubt one of the strongest on the grid and it's the part that needs to bei in the best condition for a driver to be able to drive F1 car.

Mark Arnall said that according to physic tests Kimi is on same shape that best NHL players are so he is very fit. Arnall said Kimi is now in better shape than he was at the beginning of the season but already then he was in good shape, according to him Kimi had to do a lot of physic training because of two years absence away from F1, he aslost a lot of strenght because u dont need it that much in wrc.

Also if you so after the race of abu dhabi, it was Kimi and Sebastian who looked to be in great shape but Alonso was completely tired, he almost couldnt stand up at all...and we all know Alonso is not in bad shape either.

Advertisement

#80 bub

bub
  • Member

  • 1,975 posts
  • Joined: July 11

Posted 12 November 2012 - 16:13

With all those sweeps, it looks like it's going to be a very hard track for the driver's condition. Do we still have any unfit drivers these days?


Pic?

#81 tifosi

tifosi
  • Member

  • 13,221 posts
  • Joined: June 99

Posted 12 November 2012 - 16:16

Every new track is designed by Tilke, so it is not surprising they end up being similar.


And Tilke, like any hired designer, does what the client wants.

#82 goingthedistance

goingthedistance
  • Member

  • 2,092 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 12 November 2012 - 17:09

I think this has been done for all new circuits.


Really I can find no record of that?

I'm not having a go at the US, like I said I think it's great for the show. I just find it very inconsistent and symptomatic of how important it is for the spectacle to go well there. F1 has copped a lot of flack in the USA in the past for not putting enough of a show, I feel this might be a response to avoid criticism of the dull FP1s we often get.

In the past I think Pirelli have only brought additional tyres when they are testing experimental rubber for the next season. I understand this will happen in Brazil.

Personally I wish they had more tyres on Friday at every track.

Edited by goingthedistance, 12 November 2012 - 17:10.


#83 paulrobs

paulrobs
  • Member

  • 507 posts
  • Joined: November 09

Posted 12 November 2012 - 17:33

I'm looking forward to it

#84 Zava

Zava
  • Member

  • 4,965 posts
  • Joined: September 10

Posted 12 November 2012 - 18:13

early forecast says most probably all-dry weekend.

#85 CONOSUR

CONOSUR
  • Member

  • 10,626 posts
  • Joined: November 00

Posted 12 November 2012 - 19:44

I'll arrive there around noon Wednesday. Can't wait. :) Look for the AtlasF1 flag.




:cool:

#86 paulrobs

paulrobs
  • Member

  • 507 posts
  • Joined: November 09

Posted 12 November 2012 - 19:47

I'm pleased for all the US F1 fans that there is going to be an F1 GP with a permanent home

#87 FerrariFanInTexas

FerrariFanInTexas
  • Member

  • 1,127 posts
  • Joined: February 00

Posted 12 November 2012 - 20:28

I'll arrive there around noon Wednesday. Can't wait. :) Look for the AtlasF1 flag.




:cool:


If I see your flag walking around downtown, I'll definitely give you a shout.

#88 loki

loki
  • Member

  • 1,947 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:25

And Tilke, like any hired designer, does what the client wants.


Not according to Tavo Hellmund. At one point Hellmund stated in a TV interview (I'm paraphrasing, IIRC from the circuit announcement in Austin) "I had to keep reminding him (Tilke) who the client was..." as he was saying Tilke kept trying to change the design and not have so much elevation.


#89 KirilVarbanov

KirilVarbanov
  • Member

  • 831 posts
  • Joined: March 11

Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:00

Tests have been carried out to the timing system, so far ALO leads to WEB and VET:

Posted Image

#90 Anderis

Anderis
  • Member

  • 2,645 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:17

Tests have been carried out to the timing system, so far ALO leads to WEB and VET:

1. Alo
2. Web
3. Vet
4. Msc
5. Mas?
6. Rai
7. Mald
8. Ham?
9. Per
Looks like lap10 of British GP 2012.

#91 Watkins74

Watkins74
  • Member

  • 5,670 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:21

I was never a big fan of Schumacher when he was winning everything. Schu 2.0 seems like a more relaxed and pleasant person and I would be happy to see him podium in one of these 2 final races.

#92 KirilVarbanov

KirilVarbanov
  • Member

  • 831 posts
  • Joined: March 11

Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:57

"How To Watch An F1 Race If You’re A Clueless American" - http://jalopnik.com/...ueless-american

By no means disrespect to US people, but the article has its merit. I guess it's really time for me to enter their world as well and understand just how important is NASCAR in US.

#93 gwk

gwk
  • Member

  • 104 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 14 November 2012 - 13:34

The Austin newspaper (The Statesman) is having a series of decent articles. This one is about local grousers. Pretty tame compared to, say, Bahrain.

http://www.statesman...cs-grump/nS5tZ/

And then, of course, there's the Texas secession movement…

http://www.statesman...akes-off/nS5xg/

Edited by gwk, 14 November 2012 - 14:06.


#94 xbook

xbook
  • New Member

  • 28 posts
  • Joined: March 08

Posted 14 November 2012 - 13:47

I'll arrive there around noon Wednesday. Can't wait. :) Look for the AtlasF1 flag.

:cool:


Conosur, I"m in T12 grandstand as well. Ill be sure to come and introduce myself, keepin' the eyes open for the Atlas Flag.

-Jason

#95 tifosi

tifosi
  • Member

  • 13,221 posts
  • Joined: June 99

Posted 14 November 2012 - 16:29

Not according to Tavo Hellmund. At one point Hellmund stated in a TV interview (I'm paraphrasing, IIRC from the circuit announcement in Austin) "I had to keep reminding him (Tilke) who the client was..." as he was saying Tilke kept trying to change the design and not have so much elevation.


Which actually kind of proves my point.

#96 D.M.N.

D.M.N.
  • RC Forum Host

  • 7,143 posts
  • Joined: May 08

Posted 14 November 2012 - 17:26

Interesting photo here from David Croft from pole position showing what the pole man will see heading into turn 1: https://twitter.com/...9508992/photo/1

I can't see all 24 cars exiting turn 1. Clichéd as it may sound, but I wonder how Vettel and Alonso will take it...

And here's what you see if your a HRT: https://twitter.com/...4302081/photo/1

Looking back from turn 1 shows how far down the start line is... https://twitter.com/...758535121281024

#97 OfficeLinebacker

OfficeLinebacker
  • Member

  • 14,019 posts
  • Joined: December 07

Posted 14 November 2012 - 20:33

Interesting photo here from David Croft from pole position showing what the pole man will see heading into turn 1: https://twitter.com/...9508992/photo/1

I can't see all 24 cars exiting turn 1. Clichéd as it may sound, but I wonder how Vettel and Alonso will take it...

And here's what you see if your a HRT: https://twitter.com/...4302081/photo/1

Looking back from turn 1 shows how far down the start line is... https://twitter.com/...758535121281024

Pole is on the outside?

#98 plumtree

plumtree
  • Member

  • 712 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 15 November 2012 - 00:52

United States GP - Conferences Schedule

Thursday, November 15 - 1100 hrs
Fernando Alonso (Ferrari), Pedro de la Rosa (HRT), Lewis Hamilton (McLaren)
Sergio Perez (Sauber), Kimi Raikkonen (Lotus), Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)

Friday, November 16 - 1500 hrs
Cyril Abiteboul (Caterham), Eric Boullier (Lotus), Norbert Haug (Mercedes)
Christian Horner (Red Bull), Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari), Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren)

It should be fun. :)

#99 Disgrace

Disgrace
  • RC Forum Host

  • 9,552 posts
  • Joined: January 10

Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:39

Pole is on the outside?


It's the grippier racing line.

Advertisement

#100 bourbon

bourbon
  • Member

  • 6,058 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:59

Dang all three of my fav drivers at the track tomorrow in interview - wish we could watch it live. What is it with the US not giving us any signing sessions? That sucks.

Is there a thread where people are discussing meeting up at a bar / restaurant or event? That would be cool. :up: