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#101 ASFA2011

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:19

Dang all three of my fav drivers at the track tomorrow in interview - wish we could watch it live. What is it with the US not giving us any signing sessions? That sucks.

Is there a thread where people are discussing meeting up at a bar / restaurant or event? That would be cool. :up:


There will be signing sessions on Saturday immediately after Qualyfiying , Red Bull drivers go first I think , only 20 mins per team tho

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#102 bourbon

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:24

There will be signing sessions on Saturday immediately after Qualyfiying , Red Bull drivers go first I think , only 20 mins per team tho


Oh wow! That is great news. Any idea where they will be held?

#103 Dennis Hockenbury

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:37

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#104 Brandz07

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:37

Oh wow! That is great news. Any idea where they will be held?


Not sure about other races but you have to win them at the BGP.

#105 KirilVarbanov

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:12

"Why F1 Cars are so damn fast?":

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#106 bourbon

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:21

You are the man dennis! Thanks a lot :up:

Burbs!

#107 Talisker

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:22

Surely there must be some good cheesy publicity photos of drivers doing Texas stuff - wearing big hats and the like.

#108 vlado

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:16

After all the bs they went trough, I am really glad this GP is finally here and we can enjoy some GP racing in the US :up: Looking forward to this weekend :)

Tilke designed it.

As far as I know, he is also working on the Port Imperial Street Circuit..

#109 Creepy

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:53

I know I should do it in my twitter or something. But I feel like whinning a lot.

This GP excites me a lot, but some of my eagerness gets put down because I know ALonso's chances for the championship are incredibly small. But man, it was about time a GP returned to the USA.

#110 Baddoer

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:48

"Why F1 Cars are so damn fast?":

Rubbish picture. Correct answer is:
Because their noses are made of rubber.

#111 Nonesuch

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:56

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#F1 Pirelli confirms that drivers will be given an extra set of hard tyres in Austin on Friday, which should guarantee a busy track

Is there any specific reason for this? I think it's great for the show, but it reeks of "America is special" so let's make sure the cars are on the track more than normal.


It happens from time to time. In this case, a mostly unused track seems good enough reason to give the drivers some extra rubber. Compare with Australia 2011: http://blogs.bettor....a-1-news-a59812

Anyway, I wouldn't read too much these coming days if you want to stay clear of the 'reeking', but unfortunately usual, fawning over the lastest new shiny.  ;)

#112 Scotracer

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:46

Pity the numbers in the image are wrong.

Lateral acceleration is 6G and 0-62mph is around 2.8.

Still, glad they are making people interested.

#113 goingthedistance

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:27

It happens from time to time. In this case, a mostly unused track seems good enough reason to give the drivers some extra rubber. Compare with Australia 2011: http://blogs.bettor....a-1-news-a59812

Anyway, I wouldn't read too much these coming days if you want to stay clear of the 'reeking', but unfortunately usual, fawning over the lastest new shiny. ;)


It has happened in the past only when there is new rubber to test. Something that will take place in Brazil.

I think it's a good idea at a new track, but it is exceptional, a "special case". That's my only point. :cool:

#114 prty

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:28

Playing puns with the front page headline "Analysis: COTA looks like a hit"? At least I in a first quick look read it differently :drunk:

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:47

I hope George Bush won't be there to present the trophy?

#116 Nonesuch

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:49

It has happened in the past only when there is new rubber to test. Something that will take place in Brazil.

Ah right, Australia 2011 was indeed the first race on the new Pirelli tyres. Good point! :up:

I'd search if new tyres were used in India, or Korea the year prior, but Google's supposed date-filtered search isn't proving to be as useful as perhaps intended, that is to say, it doesn't work at all for me. :p

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:16

Pity the numbers in the image are wrong.

Lateral acceleration is 6G and 0-62mph is around 2.8.

Still, glad they are making people interested.


What? 6G? Maybe near that in braking, but not even close during acceleration. I also found this by googling: "Formula One race cars have been recorded to reach 0-60 (mph) as fast as 1.6 seconds, but the typical range for modern day F1 cars is between 2.1 to 2.7 seconds."

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#118 goingthedistance

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:29

Ah right, Australia 2011 was indeed the first race on the new Pirelli tyres. Good point! :up:

I'd search if new tyres were used in India, or Korea the year prior, but Google's supposed date-filtered search isn't proving to be as useful as perhaps intended, that is to say, it doesn't work at all for me. :p


No extra tyres were brought in India, researched that the other day. That's why I found it curious. I really think it comes down as much as anything to wanting to put on a proper show. It's not a market that will take kindly to the cars sitting idly in the garages for half of FP1, as they usually do!

I think it's great. But I do rather wish there were always two sets of tyres available in FP1. Such a borefest normally.

#119 gwk

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:43

Link to local paper's F1 coverage.

http://www.statesman...ports/formula1/

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#120 Kucki

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:51

Track looks boring. Extremely wide tarmac once again. Slow Hairpins all over the place. Stop and Go track with some micky mouse section in between. Atleast it got some elevation changes.

#121 Sakae

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 13:05

Link to local paper's F1 coverage.

http://www.statesman...ports/formula1/

Very helpful, thanks.

#122 Seanspeed

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 13:07

Track looks boring. Extremely wide tarmac once again. Slow Hairpins all over the place. Stop and Go track with some micky mouse section in between. Atleast it got some elevation changes.

There's only 2 hairpins(1 if you discount Turn 1) and I'm not sure a lot of people even know what they're saying when they call something 'mickey mouse'.

Edited by Seanspeed, 15 November 2012 - 13:07.


#123 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 13:49

The problem (apart from the fact that the profile has nothing spectacular except some of the first sector) is that it looks exactly like every other new track. If I was given a random picture from trackside or pit area I wouldn't be able to tell it apart from Buddh etc. Life has been sucked out of it.

Hindhaugh said it best... what's the point for series like WEC (in 2013) to head to a place when the track environment is exactly the same as in Europe/Asia... sterile with huge run tarmac offs and concrete canyons. NOTHING in this place says US for me. It could might as well be in China with US flags and the look would still remain the same.

The weekend even conflicts with the NASCAR season finale which was a grave error from the FIA, as was the missed opportunity with the support races. The Americans love their domestic series and this could've been a great opportunity to have some bigger profile US series on your support bill. Ferrari Challenge (not even the NA championship series!!) and local Porsche cup series (not even the IMSA GT3 Cup!!) are hardly the crowd magnets...

The only comparison piece to the CotA in the United States is the Miller Motorsport Park, which is the second most European track in the continent... but at least they have nice scenery on the background and the look is less sterile

Edited by SonnyViceR, 15 November 2012 - 13:53.


#124 Disgrace

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 13:54

NOTHING in this place says US for me.


I agree predominantly with what you're saying but what in a circuit says US for you exactly? I associate American racing with ovals, but that isn't going to happen with F1, and although Indianapolis incorporated a single banked turn, it was otherwise an awful circuit.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 13:58

I agree predominantly with what you're saying but what in a circuit says US for you exactly? I associate American racing with ovals, but that isn't going to happen with F1, and although Indianapolis incorporated a single banked turn, it was otherwise an awful circuit.

They could let rodeo clowns run around the track and have a loud "Yeeeehaw" over the loudspeaker each time the leader completes a lap.

#126 noikeee

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:00

I'd much rather have a proper track that looks like anywhere else, than a horrendous track with a flashing hotel above to scream "Abu Dhabi"; a mediocre track in a swamp with a corner that looks like a Chinese character; or a gimmicky street circuit with not a single good corner that screams Singapore.

What do you expect, the Statue of Liberty or the Grand Canyon in the background(you will sort of get that with the New Jersey track which looks far inferior as a race venue)? Track marshals with compulsory cowboy hats?

Edited by noikeee, 15 November 2012 - 14:01.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:15

They could let rodeo clowns run around the track and have a loud "Yeeeehaw" over the loudspeaker each time the leader completes a lap.


I'd much prefer if they turned pitstops into three-second fast food drive-thrus. Will give the old refuelling man a job.

#128 boldhakka

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:18

Looks like a nice challenging track for the drivers. I think it'll be a cracker of a race.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:32

Long time ago I thought that in my life time I will never see an American to buy a Japanese car, because of strong loyalty to domestic brands. Simply put, I was wrong. Perseverance, patience, correct approach to market, and quality made a breakthrough for Japanese brands, and I don’t think anyone even thinks about it today. There is a lesson for F1 to learn, domestic races notwithstanding, and delivering good product is essential. Modesty and quality will be appreciated, I am sure, despite the fact I am more of a Michigan/New York guy in terms of my American experience, and know sweet not much about Texas.

This weekend seems actually quite important in launching new era, and hopefully it will be in right direction. Foirget what anyone else is doing, and get this one right!

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#130 Rybo

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:39

Looks like a nice challenging track for the drivers. I think it'll be a cracker of a race.


Not to be negative, but it looks fantastic and challenging to drive. But on the other hand i don't think it will make for close racing as most of the corners are fairly high speed. Which will make the following car just that little bit slower. I think bar some technical failures Sunday will be decided on Saturday.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:50

The problem (apart from the fact that the profile has nothing spectacular except some of the first sector) is that it looks exactly like every other new track. If I was given a random picture from trackside or pit area I wouldn't be able to tell it apart from Buddh etc. Life has been sucked out of it.

Hindhaugh said it best... what's the point for series like WEC (in 2013) to head to a place when the track environment is exactly the same as in Europe/Asia... sterile with huge run tarmac offs and concrete canyons. NOTHING in this place says US for me. It could might as well be in China with US flags and the look would still remain the same.

The weekend even conflicts with the NASCAR season finale which was a grave error from the FIA, as was the missed opportunity with the support races. The Americans love their domestic series and this could've been a great opportunity to have some bigger profile US series on your support bill. Ferrari Challenge (not even the NA championship series!!) and local Porsche cup series (not even the IMSA GT3 Cup!!) are hardly the crowd magnets...

The only comparison piece to the CotA in the United States is the Miller Motorsport Park, which is the second most European track in the continent... but at least they have nice scenery on the background and the look is less sterile

Take out all the corners except one, bank the track and we'll know exactly where the race is being held :)

#132 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:51

I agree predominantly with what you're saying but what in a circuit says US for you exactly? I associate American racing with ovals, but that isn't going to happen with F1, and although Indianapolis incorporated a single banked turn, it was otherwise an awful circuit.


US has the purest road courses left on the planet (generally speaking)... domestic feel is there

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Even places with Texas-esque environments and climate retain the natural feel and scream US to me

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but now... this just says "oh, are we racing in Turkey or China this weekend?"

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yes that does look like an interesting pit area / straigh finish straight here at Budhh... umm I mean CotA, I guess?

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#133 noikeee

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:51

Not to be negative, but it looks fantastic and challenging to drive. But on the other hand i don't think it will make for close racing as most of the corners are fairly high speed. Which will make the following car just that little bit slower. I think bar some technical failures Sunday will be decided on Saturday.


No races are decided on Saturday these days apart from Monaco, I get what you're saying but DRS will make passing possible even if it won't look great.

Edited by noikeee, 15 November 2012 - 14:52.


#134 noikeee

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:58

US has the purest road courses left on the planet (generally speaking)... domestic feel is there

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I get your point better now but whilst they are fantastic those are mostly club tracks or for lower standard series. If you're building a track from scratch for F1 you're not going to give them poor facilities on purpose to make it look more picturesque; you will have to make a layout for F1 cars, that means wide roads and very large straights which ruin the look; also there's very high standards of safety that ruin the looks of those close walls.

Overall I still think despite the standardized look what matters above all is how challenging the track is, and on that basis it seems the best new F1 track for years.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 14:59

No races are decided on Saturday these days apart from Monaco, I get what you're saying but DRS will make passing possible even if it won't look great.


Yeap, especially with such long DRS zone. Unusually, it starts right after the corner.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 15:00


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#137 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 15:08

I get your point better now but whilst they are fantastic those are mostly club tracks or for lower standard series. If you're building a track from scratch for F1 you're not going to give them poor facilities on purpose to make it look more picturesque; you will have to make a layout for F1 cars, that means wide roads and very large straights which ruin the look; also there's very high standards of safety that ruin the looks of those close walls.

Overall I still think despite the standardized look what matters above all is how challenging the track is, and on that basis it seems the best new F1 track for years.


NONE of those are club tracks... just because they're not FIA Grade 1 circuits or facilities does not make them club tracks - FIA doesn't really even have authority there. The closest thing to club tracks on those pics is Lime Rock and even that is used by high profile domestic series and has massive history (obviously not fit for F1 but that wasn't the point)

Anyway if massive run-offs, big stands and European feel is what you're after they could've just gone to Miller, instead of relying on Tilke again... it's about the same atmosphere but FAR less sterile

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#138 Disgrace

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 15:10

Due to it's location, not the circuit itself which I can't say I am a fan of.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 15:12

Pity the numbers in the image are wrong.

Lateral acceleration is 6G and 0-62mph is around 2.8.


Fat with fuel you're talking 2.8s. 1.7s is possible when light, and with the right gearing.

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#140 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 15:16

Due to it's location, not the circuit itself which I can't say I am a fan of.


We're talking about the same Miller right?

technically in the middle of nowhere (for big masses) -- TICK
massive run-offs - TICK *
stands FAR from from circuit - TICK
hot hot hot hot - TICK
European pit lane and complex - TICK

*thou not made of asphalt for the most part

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#141 noikeee

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 15:19

NONE of those are club tracks... just because they're not FIA Grade 1 circuits or facilities does not make them club tracks - FIA doesn't really even have authority there. The closest thing to club tracks on those pics is Lime Rock and even that is used by high profile domestic series and has massive history (obviously not fit for F1 but that wasn't the point)

Anyway if massive run-offs, big stands and European feel is what you're after they could've just gone to Miller, instead of relying on Tilke again... it's about the same atmosphere but FAR less sterile


Fine but you still need a FIA Grade 1 track to host a F1 race, you can't do it at Watkins Glen or Mid-Ohio (unless you want to tear the track apart for safety and facilities sake then watch a procession).

And despite the fancy backdrop, would Miller be anywhere near a financially viable location for a worldwide massive event?

Due to it's location, not the circuit itself which I can't say I am a fan of.


Yep most US tracks have got pretty awesome layouts but Miller.. ugh now that is mickey mouse.

You seriously can't possibly prefer a F1 race at Miller over this??

#142 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 15:26

Fine but you still need a FIA Grade 1 track to host a F1 race, you can't do it at Watkins Glen or Mid-Ohio (unless you want to tear the track apart for safety and facilities sake then watch a procession).

And despite the fancy backdrop, would Miller be anywhere near a financially viable location for a worldwide massive event?



Yep most US tracks have got pretty awesome layouts but Miller.. ugh now that is mickey mouse.

You seriously can't possibly prefer a F1 race at Miller over this??


Don't get me wrong, I don't really fancy Miller either (some of the more useless races I've seen have been held here) but yes, I would find it a more suitable place. Sue me for having an opinion!

As for the points made out of F1 not being able to run on any of those awesome sub-Grade 1 North Americam circuits I mentioned - well I'm GLAD (and if you read my posts carefully you notice that I never suggested that F1 should run on those circuits, I merely mentioned them to prove that American circuits do feel American). The reason why I'm glad is that these classic circuits like RA and Glen are completely saved from the sanitation & sterilization most European/Asian tracks have gone through.

Why do I complain about Austin then? Well It's just frustrating for me as many of my favourite sports and touring car series are heading there for next year and I have to sit through all of those races, watching this emotionless, sterile concrete jungle again and again...

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#143 boldhakka

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 15:26

Not to be negative, but it looks fantastic and challenging to drive. But on the other hand i don't think it will make for close racing as most of the corners are fairly high speed. Which will make the following car just that little bit slower. I think bar some technical failures Sunday will be decided on Saturday.


Wait and see. It's gonna go down as one of the best on the calendar, one which both drivers and fans will look forward to - like Spa.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 16:25

... to prove that American circuits do feel American...


I don't see anything there that is distinctly American. It is pavement, sometimes with grass, sometimes with Armco, sometimes just grass. Apart from knowing the circuits, they look alot like this one.
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#145 Rubens Hakkamacher

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 16:26

make a layout for F1 cars, that means wide roads and very large straights which ruin the look;


Why does F1 have to have wider roads than any other series? There are parts of many classic F1 tracks that are "narrow", U.S. tracks aren't really any different.

The music industry decided it could make money by marketing generic drivel, too. Hasn't worked out too well. If a street in Valencia can be made FIA safe, any track in the U.S. could be as well.

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#146 MP422

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 16:32

Why does F1 have to have wider roads than any other series? There are parts of many classic F1 tracks that are "narrow", U.S. tracks aren't really any different.

The music industry decided it could make money by marketing generic drivel, too. Hasn't worked out too well. If a street in Valencia can be made FIA safe, any track in the U.S. could be as well.


So Drivers, Marshalls, and Spectators have less chance of injury and death. It's a fair trade off IMO.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 16:40

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That is seriously mental... :cool:


#148 Rybo

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 16:40

No races are decided on Saturday these days apart from Monaco, I get what you're saying but DRS will make passing possible even if it won't look great.


I would love to be wrong, but from what I've heard it is a fairly high df circuit. And obviously the best shot will be down the long back straight. Provided they don't gear themselves short. I know it will be a cracking race just because of the title implications, but I'm skeptical of non drs passes.

#149 jrg19

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 16:49

Drivers press conference at 5pm UK time on SkyF1... 10 minutes time.

#150 uffen

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 16:53

In Jerome d'Ambrosio's Autosport feature on the Austin track he said that turn one is blind at first, so a follwing driver will be late seeing someone spinning, esp. during the first lap. He said it was "part of the game," (I'm paraphrasing).
Hang on, shouldn't the GPDA be crying, "unsafe" when they hear/see this?