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#151 bourbon

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:02

Can someone give a youtube link to the presser if you find it first? Thanks.!

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#152 jjcale

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:04

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That is seriously mental...


Do F1 cars now have handbrakes? :p

#153 f1fastestlap

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:07

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#154 jjcale

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:10

Gotta say ... I was a sceptic on many levels about this circuit and I was possitively opposed to the public finance input ... but this track looks awesome.

Cant wait for this weekend :)

#155 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:12

Pole is on the outside?


No, the clean side.

#156 maverick69

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:15

It's kinda like Laguna Seca on steroids!

#157 korzeniow

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:18

We're talking about the same Miller right?

technically in the middle of nowhere (for big masses) -- TICK
massive run-offs - TICK *
stands FAR from from circuit - TICK
hot hot hot hot - TICK
European pit lane and complex - TICK

*thou not made of asphalt for the most part


You are making up problems for the sake of complaining :down:

1. Magny-Cours and Monza are also in the nowhere.
2. Massive runoffs are for the safety of the drivers and spectactors! That's the most logical thing after heavy breaking zones. I don't know how you would imagine otherwise :stoned:
3. Safety, I don't really care.
4. Korea isn't hot, nor malaysia nor China
5. I don't care

There. 3 to 4 your whinig arguments refuted

#158 Watkins74

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:20

Pole is on the outside?

That's the way it looks from the painted starting boxes.

#159 Seanspeed

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:21

US has the purest road courses left on the planet (generally speaking)... domestic feel is there

Places gain character over time and with experience. A lot of these pictures you're showing aren't terribly distinguishable if you dont already know what track it is or where they're from. And then there's the club-level circuits which look the way they do because they aren't running F1 races, as others have said. None of those are necessarily very 'American' looking.

Plus, you're singling out the best pictures from these 'American' tracks while singling out the worst possible pictures for COTA, which isn't fair. I think a lot of people are showing that you can cherry-pick pictures from COTA that give it a very recognizable face. Give it a few years. If the racing is good enough and the fans and drivers like it, you might just warm to it.

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#160 johnmhinds

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:43

The uphill start and the first half of the circuit with the sweeping corners looks like it will be amazing to drive.

The second half is a little meh, long pointless straight and a bit that looks like it's just there to get around the stadium section, not because they good corner designs...

Looking forward to the race though.

#161 f1fastestlap

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:43

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#162 Kucki

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:44

Thanks SonnyViceR for your posts saved me alot of typing. Europeans have indeed forgotten what makes a great race tracks. The US has one of the best remaining (road) race tracks in the world, no not when it comes to the Hotels surrounding it, but when it comes to the layout, the elevation changes, the challenges, the atmosphere,... all the things that make a good track great. We should be glad in a way that F1 wont be going to one of the great tracks in the US, otherwise they would be completely pussyfied.

(I'm European btw)


#163 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:54

You are making up problems for the sake of complaining :down:

1. Magny-Cours and Monza are also in the nowhere.
2. Massive runoffs are for the safety of the drivers and spectactors! That's the most logical thing after heavy breaking zones. I don't know how you would imagine otherwise :stoned:
3. Safety, I don't really care.
4. Korea isn't hot, nor malaysia nor China
5. I don't care

There. 3 to 4 your whinig arguments refuted


It was a comparison between Miller Motorsport Park and CotA (as well as to prove that these two circuits are the most European in America), you obviously misunderstood.

And I'm not whining, I'm arguing.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 18:54

This really looks like it could be a great circuit, but I think there was something left out that would make it even better - a bridge, to turn it into a figure 8 like Suzuka.

In the above diagram, turn 4 could connect to turn 13 which would mean the straight is done in the opposite direction. Then on the way back add a sweeping turn connecting 5 and 14.

Obviously this is only a 2d diagram so I have no idea how feasible it is in terms of what already exists and what would need to be added. But it does seem a cool concept to me.


#165 Wingcommander

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:00

Just another parking lot..

#166 Crazy Ninja

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:08

That turn 9 annoys me! Which is silly because we haven't seen any on track action yet, but, if it just have been opened a little more then it would seem to flow even better!

Track looks great btw!

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:14

What? 6G? Maybe near that in braking, but not even close during acceleration. I also found this by googling: "Formula One race cars have been recorded to reach 0-60 (mph) as fast as 1.6 seconds, but the typical range for modern day F1 cars is between 2.1 to 2.7 seconds."


Lateral acceleration.

#168 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:41

US has the purest road courses left on the planet (generally speaking)... domestic feel is there

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Let's pretend we don't know any better. The top four could easily be rural England, Northern Europe or Scandinavia. Sebring could be anywhere and the last one looks like it could be Southern Spain.

We know these places very well and we get used to the association. But none of those particularly scream "America".

Edited by PayasYouRace, 15 November 2012 - 19:51.


#169 SonnyViceR

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 19:58

If you start to "analyze" it like that, every single track in the world could be situated pretty much anywhere, except if you have like Nurburg castle in the background or some other famous landmark (or street circuit). If we didn't know any better and if we follow this theory, Spa could be in Germany, Silverstone in France and, Sepang in Papua New Guinea and Interlagos in South Africa.

Besides, you DO NOT have such pit lane areas and features in Europe or Asia.

And if a track like Sebring was in Europe, I'm PRETTY sure that it wouldn't be the same bumpy unforgiving airport rollercoaster as it is now. Same goes for the rest of those tracks, it is not only the FIA Grade 1 tracks that are becoming more sterile in Europe and Asia, but also majority of Grade 2 circuits. The new ones are being built with such things in mind, and the older tracks are modified.

Edited by SonnyViceR, 15 November 2012 - 20:08.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 20:04

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They really should start painting the tarmac run off areas with a different color than the track itself.

#171 tifosi

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 20:55

1. Magny-Cours and Monza are also in the nowhere.



Milan is the middle of nowhere?????

#172 Nonesuch

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 21:01

1. Magny-Cours and Monza are also in the nowhere.

Monza is less than 20 miles from one of Europe's greatest cultural cities, Milano. :down:

Edit; seems tifosi also picked up on this.

Edited by Nonesuch, 15 November 2012 - 21:02.


#173 OSX

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 21:19

Quite the um... interesting looking outfits on 'em Texan grid girls.

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#174 Disgrace

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 21:24

They really should start painting the tarmac run off areas with a different color than the track itself.


Have they got anti-slip paint?

#175 amppatel

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 21:37

I just watched the PC and HRT don't have access to a simulator so Pedro was saying the only info he has on the circuit is what he saw off the internet (like the lotus video)! They could at least buy him a PS3 and a copy of F1 2012!

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 21:37

Have they got anti-slip paint?


I think they have, see Paul Richard for example, or Bahrain.

#177 Talryyn

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 21:47

I think they have, see Paul Richard for example, or Bahrain.

Yes, good stuff, used on aircraft carriers for one type of it.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 21:51

Jenson Button heroically refuses to prejudice the proceedings by mentioning the word "Grosjean".

And for the record I think a race on an aircraft carrier would be a great idea. Actually, if Bahrain heats up again next April they could always hold the race here.

Edited by Risil, 15 November 2012 - 21:52.


#179 Atreiu

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 21:58

Not enough slow corners...

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#180 johnmhinds

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 22:01

I just watched the PC and HRT don't have access to a simulator so Pedro was saying the only info he has on the circuit is what he saw off the internet (like the lotus video)! They could at least buy him a PS3 and a copy of F1 2012!


I'm not sure how much use playing F1 2012 would really be.
They weren't able to scan the track while making the game so it'll only be an approximation based on the plans.

He will probably learn the track more in one practice lap than week of playing the game.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 22:08

You are making up problems for the sake of complaining :down:

1. Magny-Cours and Monza are also in the nowhere.


:drunk:

Monza is about a 20ish minute train journey from Milan on the Sunday, the trains stop at the Lesmo train station (And yes, it is literally 50 yards from the Lesmo corners!!) and they are FREE. Also on the Saturday they have free shuttle buses (about 15 mins depending on traffic) from Monza train station ( which is about 15/20mins from Milan) to Monza park itself. Monza is one of the easiest circuits to get to on the whole calendar!

Great example. :D

#182 chrisblades85

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 22:11

:drunk:

Monza is about a 20ish minute train journey from Milan on the Sunday, the trains stop at the Lesmo train station (And yes, it is literally 50 yards from the Lesmo corners!!) and they are FREE. Also on the Saturday they have free shuttle buses (about 15 mins depending on traffic) from Monza train station ( which is about 15/20mins from Milan) to Monza park itself. Monza is one of the easiest circuits to get to on the whole calendar!

Great example. :D



Yeah, but.... It's in a park.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 22:18

Button is saying P2 on the grid might be better!
That could make things interesting

edit: actually if they decide that might be true they would swap around 1st and 2nd?

Edited by SamH123, 16 November 2012 - 02:28.


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:49

Button is saying P2 on the grid might be better!
That could make things interesting

edit: actually if they decide that might be true they would swap around 1st and 2nd?


I think it may be possible. IIRC they did that in Valencia back in 2008.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:09

NONE of those are club tracks... just because they're not FIA Grade 1 circuits or facilities does not make them club tracks - FIA doesn't really even have authority there. The closest thing to club tracks on those pics is Lime Rock and even that is used by high profile domestic series and has massive history (obviously not fit for F1 but that wasn't the point)

Anyway if massive run-offs, big stands and European feel is what you're after they could've just gone to Miller, instead of relying on Tilke again... it's about the same atmosphere but FAR less sterile


Miller is great, have raced there a few times. They have no plans to apply for Grade 1, though they do fall under the FIA as they are a Grade 2 for the bikes. Just to get F1 style garages, hospitality and spectator amenities would be in the tens of not over US$100 mil. It's kind of out there but it's a great place and the staff is superb.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:36

Milan is the middle of nowhere?????


It is a hellava drive from Austin... :drunk: :wave:

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:54

I'm not having a go at America, I actually like the place, but in one way I think this circuit very much reflects the local environment. Large slabs of flat featureless grey concrete occur in many countries, but America is probably their spiritual home...huge wide freeways, massive intersections, large shopping malls with acres of car parking. Although it's true of many countries, America is probably the most extreme when it comes to planning and urban design being determined by dependency on the car.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:04

Thanks SonnyViceR for your posts saved me alot of typing. Europeans have indeed forgotten what makes a great race tracks. The US has one of the best remaining (road) race tracks in the world, no not when it comes to the Hotels surrounding it, but when it comes to the layout, the elevation changes, the challenges, the atmosphere,... all the things that make a good track great. We should be glad in a way that F1 wont be going to one of the great tracks in the US, otherwise they would be completely pussyfied.

(I'm European btw)

Just stop it, will you? How many races have you actually visited to come up with this nonsense?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:26

I'm not having a go at America, I actually like the place, but in one way I think this circuit very much reflects the local environment. Large slabs of flat featureless grey concrete occur in many countries, but America is probably their spiritual home...huge wide freeways, massive intersections, large shopping malls with acres of car parking. Although it's true of many countries, America is probably the most extreme when it comes to planning and urban design being determined by dependency on the car.


Depends on where you are. Texas for sure as most of the mid west. Most of the big urban areas the reliance isn't so much on cars and suburbia with the exception of So Cal. Even in the urban centers where many don't own cars, there still is a big car culture. Much of Europe was designed prior to autos gaining popularity and that's reflected in that culture as well.


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:44

Button is saying P2 on the grid might be better!
That could make things interesting

edit: actually if they decide that might be true they would swap around 1st and 2nd?


It could be 1990 all over again: Vettel thinks pole should be moved but Whiting refuses. He duly qualifies P1 with Alonso in second. Alonso takes the lead off the line going up the hill. Vettel piles into the back of Alonso and takes them both out of the race. Most people assume it was inevitable that the Bull would target the closest red object (Kimi's face doesn't count) and that it was out of Vettel's hands - we now know both Red Bulls are driven remotely by Newey - but the more perceptive among us will know what really happened when Vettel comes out with a quote about "racing to win" and "going for gaps" late next year.

Meanwhile Webber in the other Bull can't help but charge straight for the red stripes on the US flag and as a punishment is 'exiled from Earth;' unfortunately the only spaceship leaving in the near future is carrying Mitt Romney back to whichever outlying moon he came from, giving Webber no choice but to convert to Mormonism and, ironically, wed his new Republican erastes. For a while they live peacefully on planet '47', gorging on Canberra Milk, until Bernie follows the tracker he placed in Webber's ankle and sponsors a coup which replaces the government of '47' with his proxy, Jacques Villeneuve. Jacques sells off the planet's entire supply of Wagon Wheels to finance a new grand prix on '47' in an attempt to raise awareness of his new musical collaboration with Lewis Hamilton.

Stranger things have happened.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:45

It was a comparison between Miller Motorsport Park and CotA (as well as to prove that these two circuits are the most European in America), you obviously misunderstood.

And I'm not whining, I'm arguing.


OK, my bad

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:48

:drunk:

Monza is about a 20ish minute train journey from Milan on the Sunday, the trains stop at the Lesmo train station (And yes, it is literally 50 yards from the Lesmo corners!!) and they are FREE. Also on the Saturday they have free shuttle buses (about 15 mins depending on traffic) from Monza train station ( which is about 15/20mins from Milan) to Monza park itself. Monza is one of the easiest circuits to get to on the whole calendar!

Great example. :D


COTA is closer to the city of Austin

#193 tifosi

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:23

COTA is closer to the city of Austin


Yeah but Austin (and I like the city) aint no Milan.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:27

It could be 1990 all over again: Vettel thinks pole should be moved but Whiting refuses. He duly qualifies P1 with Alonso in second. Alonso takes the lead off the line going up the hill. Vettel piles into the back of Alonso and takes them both out of the race. Most people assume it was inevitable that the Bull would target the closest red object (Kimi's face doesn't count) and that it was out of Vettel's hands - we now know both Red Bulls are driven remotely by Newey - but the more perceptive among us will know what really happened when Vettel comes out with a quote about "racing to win" and "going for gaps" late next year.

Meanwhile Webber in the other Bull can't help but charge straight for the red stripes on the US flag and as a punishment is 'exiled from Earth;' unfortunately the only spaceship leaving in the near future is carrying Mitt Romney back to whichever outlying moon he came from, giving Webber no choice but to convert to Mormonism and, ironically, wed his new Republican erastes. For a while they live peacefully on planet '47', gorging on Canberra Milk, until Bernie follows the tracker he placed in Webber's ankle and sponsors a coup which replaces the government of '47' with his proxy, Jacques Villeneuve. Jacques sells off the planet's entire supply of Wagon Wheels to finance a new grand prix on '47' in an attempt to raise awareness of his new musical collaboration with Lewis Hamilton.

Stranger things have happened.


Have they :drunk:

Actually I slightly misread Button's comments at first. I thought he was saying the hill was slightly steeper from one side of the grid but what he was actually saying was because 2nd gets more flat running there is not much difference between the two spots

So unless they move the grid way back I don't think it is fixable

#195 korzeniow

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:44

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 22:43

Pity the numbers in the image are wrong.

Lateral acceleration is 6G and 0-62mph is around 2.8.

Still, glad they are making people interested.


Do you remember where did you hear/read about the 6G?

I already saw Rubens say it once, read it once about 130R but I would like to have more of it.

Anyway, since Bridgestone left and crappy Pirelli took over, cars hardly go over 4G now even in qualifying

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 22:46

Jenson Button heroically refuses to prejudice the proceedings by mentioning the word "Grosjean".

And for the record I think a race on an aircraft carrier would be a great idea. Actually, if Bahrain heats up again next April they could always hold the race here.


No damn Tilke-drome aircraft carrier!