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#101 Slowinfastout

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 18:43

Napoleon said that religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.. so it's all about the FIA being a little cautious not going overboard with the f*cking heresy and blasphemy.

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#102 Seanspeed

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 18:55

Gotta love all the people in here getting upset about the censoring of drivers, completely ignoring that their own swearing is getting censored as they speak here on the forum.

#103 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 18:58

I'm shocked! Who taught them such language in the first place?

Probably the mechanics. That was the excuse Schumacher Minor used when he said f**k live on air on the BBC about 15 years ago anyway. Mind you, Ralfie never was the sharpest tool in the box!

FWIW my feeling is that the drivers don't actually like these podium interviews and it was a way of making their point. I don't see any other reason for Vettel pouring rosewater all over DC either. As I recall someone did something similar to Herbert the week before?

#104 Slowinfastout

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:00

Gotta love all the people in here getting upset about the censoring of drivers, completely ignoring that their own swearing is getting censored as they speak here on the forum.


It's not the same here... I suspect most people will read the sentence as it is intended to be, and only a few weird people will substitute a 'beep' in their head when going over the censored swear word.

Edited by Slowinfastout, 08 November 2012 - 19:01.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:03

It's not the same here... I suspect most people will read the sentence as it is intended to be, and only a few weird people will substitute a 'beep' in their head when going over the censored swear word.

Its the same thing I do when I hear a 'beep' on TV.

#106 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:06

FWIW my feeling is that the drivers don't actually like these podium interviews and it was a way of making their point. I don't see any other reason for Vettel pouring rosewater all over DC either. As I recall someone did something similar to Herbert the week before?

Incidentally, this was my take on it in the caption thread:

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KR: "Please, Sir - I need a shit"
FA: "Oh f***, he said shit"
SV: "Are you actually allowed to say f*** on the podium? Oh good ..."



#107 PinkZepStones

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:13

Only in the UK... :lol:


Irony is id say we're above and beyond the most lenient country in terms of what people are allowed to say, and how early say the watershed is for saying it.

Every show i watch someone says the f-bomb or shi* and its met with raptuous appluase from the viewing audience. Including shows on the BBC such as jonathon ross.

#108 tifosiMac

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:14

So firstly they say that drivers are robots, cause they have set speeches mostly etc, and now thye whine about swearing?

If someone is unable to show a bit of personality without swearing, then they are pretty dull in the first place.

I'm not whining about the swearing but I do think they should be warned that it isn't appropriate for daytime viewing. No other program before the 9pm watershed is allowed to show people swearing like that and just asking them to mind their language is not unreasonable.

Some of the outbursts on here supporting the swearing is downright idiotic.

#109 PinkZepStones

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:18

You're probably still outraged at the invention of the bikini, aren't you?

Also, swearing does not indicate level of intelligence. You've gotta be seriously pretentious to think that.



LMAO :rotfl: , to be fair i was raised de facto ( that is not officially but in the same way as) irish catholic and im sure its why im a bit more caring if you like then most people about people find acceptable nowsadays, bikini on the beach, fine, but over here we get young mums dressing like hookers walking down the street in november, and its just considered the norm.

But swearing? i think he should live in a working class British town, people swear for the sake of it, like sailors i think the phrase goes.

#110 amppatel

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:19

If someone is unable to show a bit of personality without swearing, then they are pretty dull in the first place.

I'm not whining about the swearing but I do think they should be warned that it isn't appropriate for daytime viewing. No other program before the 9pm watershed is allowed to show people swearing like that and just asking them to mind their language is not unreasonable.

Some of the outbursts on here supporting the swearing is downright idiotic.


Me and you are on the same level! Totally agree, there is simply no NEED to swear, it's wrong and that is why the FIA will send out letters and I guess the drivers will be spoken too!

#111 Bartel

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:20

I kind of thought that Vettel just did it because Kimi had sworn earlier.

This, trying to be tough infront of kimi.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:20

Drivers do need to be warned about bad language in live broadcasts if they are letting it slip. I wouldn't have complained myself but support a warning going out to them because its not really what people wish to hear in the middle of a Sunday afternoon. If you are watching it with your kids and they look to these guys as role models, its not something that is comfortable to explain to the innocent.


Yes, because otherwise Kimi's reputation for teetotal wholesomeness may lead some kids astray. Oh hang on...

#113 jjcale

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:21

KR = unpredicatable TV :clap:

SV + DC = unpredicatable TV :clap:

SV + KR = the potential for unpredicatable TV

SV + KR + DC = all hell breaking lose on your screen :clap: :clap: :clap:



... all they needed was a swimming pool to throw DC into :p

#114 prty

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:24

I think some people are getting it wrong, maybe a little bit on purpose.
It's not about anyone's sensitivity being hurt by the swearing, it's about being out of place for the situation. Swearing in there is not being emotional, is being an idiot. But seems there is a lot of the "look he said f**k, haha!" 13 y/o mentality going around.

Edited by prty, 08 November 2012 - 19:25.


#115 Juan Kerr

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:24

Stick a microphone in front of a bloke bursting with adrenaline and that's going to happen


Uhhh no it doesn't, you can't just palm it off as that. Its just as disrespectful and unnecessary as any other time.

#116 Juan Kerr

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:26

To be fair David Coulthard is sharply responsive, intelligent and quick witted and possibly the best person in TV to handle that.

#117 PinkZepStones

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:28

I agree with the FIA, this isn't football - most people who watch this are educated and more importantly the drivers are supposed to be smart. Next thing you know there will be racism. F1 is pretty much an academic sport, keep it that way. KR is NOT cool, he is an idiot. I don't even know why SV was swearing - didn't make sense, its very unlike him.



Totally wrong, this forum is the first and only example you need of that.

For more go and see the hooligans that made racist chants at Lewis in both Brazil and Spain,

Or the hooligan mentality after Mansells 92 British GP win, trying to rip pieces off the car.

Youve confsued this sport being educated with being pretentious, the latter of which it is the worlds foremost sport other then croquet and polo.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:33

Some of the outbursts on here supporting the swearing is downright idiotic.


For the record, my idiotic outburst is more about letting the drivers say whatever the hell they want to say, without any formatting, than about some mindless cheering because a swear word was used...

I don't care at all about swearing in general, I do get it that some people might care, but what I don't accept is people being offended by the words even when isolated out of all context. IMO that is stupid.

In that case the context was Kimi's attempt at humour, expressing that he's still 100% being himself even though it's been a while since he last won, and Vettel just swore because Kimi swore, also an attempt at humour.

The icing on the cake was Coulthard having to apologize for both of them, the joke was complete.

It's all COMPLETELY harmless.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:34

Totally wrong, this forum is the first and only example you need of that.

For more go and see the hooligans that made racist chants at Lewis in both Brazil and Spain,

Or the hooligan mentality after Mansells 92 British GP win, trying to rip pieces off the car.

Youve confsued this sport being educated with being pretentious, the latter of which it is the worlds foremost sport other then croquet and polo.


Exactly, and where was the outrage over the "monkey chants" that Lewis received this year from the civilized Italian f1 fans?
Oh, but when someone says f*ck and sh*t, all hell breaks loose.

So let me see,
racism = no action
swearing = how dare you!
F1 = home of the hypocrites

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#120 BullHead

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:34

I don't think a statement needed to be released about this, a 'quiet word' would have sufficed. Like most here I don't see a problem with the odd swear word slipping through (although Vettel definately said what he said deliberately to add to Kimi), but in all honestly we would not want all podiums littered with swearing later on down the line..., so best to say hey, try not to please.

#121 Ze Bum

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:35

I think some people are getting it wrong, maybe a little bit on purpose.
It's not about anyone's sensitivity being hurt by the swearing, it's about being out of place for the situation. Swearing in there is not being emotional, is being an idiot. But seems there is a lot of the "look he said f**k, haha!" 13 y/o mentality going around.


Actually, Kimi and Seb were not swearing at all. They just used the phrases they know. The phrases that are used in their everyday English conversations in their teams.

It was a bit careless, not intentional.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:35

Me and you are on the same level! Totally agree, there is simply no NEED to swear, it's wrong and that is why the FIA will send out letters and I guess the drivers will be spoken too!

Precisely :up:
Its got nothing to do with being politically correct, its just good manners and respect for those watching IMO. We all swear I'm sure but there is a time and a place. :)

#123 EvanRainer

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:36

I have always wondered who the F@ck those people are who call to complain to TV stations. How fecking lame do you have to be to actually CALL the TV station. I don't care if fracking Hitler came on TV and actually offended the whole world, I still wouldn't CALL to complain.



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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:38

Actually, Kimi and Seb were not swearing at all. They just used the phrases they know. The phrases that are used in their everyday English conversations in their teams.

It was a bit careless, not intentional.


I don't believe that they are so stupid that they can't think of better expressions, their English is not bad.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:39

I have always wondered who the F@ck those people are who call to complain to TV stations. How fecking lame do you have to be to actually CALL the TV station. I don't care if fracking Hitler came on TV and actually offended the whole world, I still wouldn't CALL to complain.


LOL, I'm pretty sure BBC gets LOADS of callers complaining, normally more serious things!

#126 stanga

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:41

Please.

Just because you can watch an infidel being beheaded on the Internet, doesn't mean my 8 year old son should be exposed to it.

Some ridiculous arguments in this thread. It's about common sense, not political correctness. What's political about not wanting to hear the word f**k after Sunday lunch while watching TV with the kids? Or do the politically incorrect sit down to a spot of Reservoir Dogs before the roast is digested?

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:41

For the record, my idiotic outburst is more about letting the drivers say whatever the hell they want to say, without any formatting, than about some mindless cheering because a swear word was used...

I don't care at all about swearing in general, I do get it that some people might care, but what I don't accept is people being offended by the words even when isolated out of all context. IMO that is stupid.

In that case the context was Kimi's attempt at humour, expressing that he's still 100% being himself even though it's been a while since he last won, and Vettel just swore because Kimi swore, also an attempt at humour.

The icing on the cake was Coulthard having to apologize for both of them, the joke was complete.

It's all COMPLETELY harmless.

But it needs to be apologised for because its not appropriate language to be heard on day time TV. I often watch races with my 14 year old niece and 7 year old nephew when I'm at my brothers. I wouldn't want them hearing language like that if it can be avoided. Its just not needed.

If the FIA had let this slide then it would happen again in the future and more often. That is unacceptable and a quiet word about it has sorted it out. We don't have to be hysterical about it, but drivers needs to realise there are a broad spectrum of fans watching the sport.

#128 EvanRainer

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:42

Please.

Just because you can watch an infidel being beheaded on the Internet, doesn't mean my 8 year old son should be exposed to it.

Some ridiculous arguments in this thread. It's about common sense, not political correctness. What's political about not wanting to hear the word f**k after Sunday lunch while watching TV with the kids? Or do the politically incorrect sit down to a spot of Reservoir Dogs before the roast is digested?


Can you please explain to me what would happen to your kid if he heard the word "f*ck"?

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:46

Irony is id say we're above and beyond the most lenient country in terms of what people are allowed to say, and how early say the watershed is for saying it.

Every show i watch someone says the f-bomb or shi* and its met with raptuous appluase from the viewing audience. Including shows on the BBC such as jonathon ross.


"Most lenient country"? Are you sure?

In the non-English speaking world I know off, swearing is never an issue and there is no watershed at all. You can say "****" in a kid show without any problem.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:47

Can you please explain to me what would happen to your kid if he heard the word "f*ck"?

They would most probably ask what it meant and its an uncomfortable situation to be in. Some of us don't use abusive language in front of our kids and do what we can to limit their exposure to it at an early age. Again its disrespectful to use it in front of children and you don't expect to turn the TV on and hear in used so freely at that time of day. If they allow it, then it will be used more often and standards drop. Nobody wants that.

#131 EvanRainer

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:48

The only people I have ever seen have a problem with "swearing"(what a ridiculous term), are the morality obsessed Americans, and perhaps those in Britain that so love to imitate them. The same people who think there is something wrong with nudity as well.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:49

The only people I have ever seen have a problem with "swearing"(what a ridiculous term), are the morality obsessed Americans, and perhaps those in Britain that so love to imitate them. The same people who think there is something wrong with nudity as well.

We have no problem with bad language on TV after 9pm. Its got nothing to do with morality.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:50

It's obviously not correct to say fuc* during an interview on TV but it's not like it's going to ruin some kid's life if he/she hears that kind of a word... If he/she haven't heard it before it will happen sooner rather than later anyway. The worse case scenario would be a fine lady choking up on her tea when she hears it on TV. :p



Edited by MonacoMaster, 08 November 2012 - 19:50.


#134 tifosiMac

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:50

We also have topless women in daily Newspapers so that theory is rather void.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:51

If your kids don't learn swearing from Kimi Raikkonen, they can rely on the school playground quite reliably.

If anything, being subjected to it at an unexpected moment while watching TV might also provide a good opportunity to teach your kids about real life by explaining what just happened... I mean, it's not like the TV suddenly started airing hardcore pornography and you had to explain that.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:51

I don't believe that they are so stupid that they can't think of better expressions, their English is not bad.


I don't think my English is extremely bad either but I've used some ugly words in totally wrong situations. :blush:

It's not always easy to find the right expressions while you are translating in your head what you want to say. Especially if you keep hearing the wrong ones all the time.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:51

They would most probably ask what it meant and its an uncomfortable situation to be in. Some of us don't use abusive language in front of our kids and do what we can to limit their exposure to it at an early age. Again its disrespectful to use it in front of children and you don't expect to turn the TV on and hear in used so freely at that time of day. If they allow it, then it will be used more often and standards drop. Nobody wants that.


OH no an uncomfortable situation! Your kid might ask you a question! God forbid you might have to do some parenting and explain to your kid the context and what they should and shouldn't do.

its disrespectful to use it in front of children
says you

If they allow it, then it will be used more often and standards drop.
Explain how or why that would happen.

#138 tifosiMac

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:52

It's obviously not correct to say fuc* during an interview on TV but it's not like it's going to ruin some kid's life if he/she hears that kind of a word... If he/she haven't heard it before it will happen sooner rather than later anyway. The worse case scenario would be a fine lady choking up on her tea when she hears it on TV. :p

Nobody has claimed it will ruin a kids life by hearing it. That is just exaggerating the views here. It was apologised for and rightly so. We move on.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:54

OH no an uncomfortable situation! Your kid might ask you a question! God forbid you might have to do some parenting and explain to your kid the context and what they should and shouldn't do.

its disrespectful to use it in front of children
says you

If they allow it, then it will be used more often and standards drop.
Explain how or why that would happen.

Swearing would be used more freely in daytime TV and children would think it is appropriate to use it in general use. That is not a standard any parent wants encouraged.

Your standpoint to me is rather puzzling. Maybe you could explain why it is appropriate to encourage swearing during peak viewing?

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#140 Diderlo

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:55

Kimi next podium:
"Last time you were giving me shit because I swore too much"

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:56

The BBC received 22 calls (21 complaints and one comment) about the swearing and 30 calls (28 complaints and two comments) about the delay in making the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix available on the iPlayer on-demand service for the swearing to be removed.


So more people complained to the BBC because the BBC had to take longer to remove the swearing?

While I don't condone them swearing in such a childish way their clearly isn't any reason for it to change if so few people are outraged enough to make any kind of complaint.

Edited by johnmhinds, 08 November 2012 - 19:57.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:57

Kimi next podium:
"Last time you were giving me shit because I swore too much"



:lol:


#143 EvanRainer

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 19:58

Swearing would be used more freely in daytime TV and children would think it is appropriate to use it in general use. That is not a standard any parent wants encouraged.

Your standpoint to me is rather puzzling. Maybe you could explain why it is appropriate to encourage swearing during peak viewing?


Why would your children learn what is and what isn't appropriate by what they see on TV? How about teaching them that they shouldn't do what they see on TV?

Edited by EvanRainer, 08 November 2012 - 19:59.


#144 stanga

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 20:01

OH no an uncomfortable situation! Your kid might ask you a question! God forbid you might have to do some parenting and explain to your kid the context and what they should and shouldn't do.

its disrespectful to use it in front of children
says you

If they allow it, then it will be used more often and standards drop.
Explain how or why that would happen.


Have kids yourself? I'm sure you are the model parent to be handing out parenting tips on an Internet forum.

At the end of the day it's not the end of the world. But the idea that finding it inappropriate is akin to some kind of Mary Whitehouse knee jerk reaction is ridiculous.

By the way, swearing isn't always appropriate amongst adults. Swearing in a job interview probably won't get you hired, for instance.



#145 stanga

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 20:02

Why would your children learn what is and what isn't appropriate by what they see on TV? How about teaching them that they shouldn't do what they see on TV?


You would show Pulp fiction or Baise Moi to an 8 year old.

Your logic is... inane.

#146 johnmhinds

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 20:06

Why would your children learn what is and what isn't appropriate by what they see on TV? How about teaching them that they shouldn't do what they see on TV?


If you are telling your children that the people on TV are good examples of how they should behave you have much bigger issues than 2 racing drivers using words in non offensive and non attacking ways during an interview...

Saying someone was giving you shit for being boring last time isn't going to offend anyone, as shown by the tiny 0.00001% of viewers who complained to the BBC.

Edited by johnmhinds, 08 November 2012 - 20:08.


#147 amppatel

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 20:07

I think that if you don't understand why inappropriate language on the podium/interviews is wrong then you never will however much us adults try to explain it :)

#148 TheManAlive

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 20:09

I have not read all the string, so sorry if this has already been addressed. If swearing is ok then why is everyone using asterisks instead of writing the whole word?

#149 amppatel

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 20:11

I have not read all the string, so sorry if this has already been addressed. If swearing is ok then why is everyone using asterisks instead of writing the whole word?


"all the string", lol

And the message board will automatically * out swear words it recognizes.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 20:18

I'm not in any way supportive of swearing and foul language, but I think it is hypocrisy to be upset about that on behalf of children and families when f1 at the same time uses light dressed teenage girls to give the circus the appeal the very same people think is appropriate.