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#451 0thecougar

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 10:09

With so many races per year it is easier to get the wins tally up.
With no titles I'd struggle to put him up there? The other thing with Pedrosa, he doesn't seem to have any sort of personality at all? The only thing I think of when I see or hear about him is a horse jockey. lol.
If you talk about all time greats you surely mean a handful?
So the names of Rossi, Doohan, Rainy, Hailwood, Agostini are obviously greats. Maybe in years to come the likes of Lorenzo or Stoner may be added to it, but would you put Pedrosa there now?
Ahead of other riders like Surtees, Sheene, Lawson, Roberts, Spencer, Read...who aren't even on the list?

PS, not being a dick, just wondering. It's pretty easy to forget how good some of these guys actually were when the stars of today are so easily accessable.

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#452 wati

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 11:05

Those four should be a total league of their own ...



I don't think so, the top men will be JLo and Dani, Marquez slightly behind, and then Rossi, Bradl and Cal in 3rd league together.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 13:19

I think we're just viewing the term 'all time great' in a different way. If that was limited to a handful of riders, then no, Pedrosa wouldn't be there - I was thinking more of a top 50 list. Anyway, like I said i'm not even a fan. I have always found his personality lacking, but did warm to him a lot more last year, especially when he put that move on Lorenzo at the end of one epic race (can't remember the circuit).

I don't think the championship has to be the be all and end all though, as Moss would prove for F1. Rossi, Lorenzo and Stoner are all class riders, and on his day Dani can beat them - and he may well be favourite for the championship this year - at least he is with the bookies!

#454 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 13:27

I don't think so, the top men will be JLo and Dani, Marquez slightly behind, and then Rossi, Bradl and Cal in 3rd league together.


Wtf? Rossi's a little better than that.

#455 ViMaMo

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 14:35

who?


anyone ?


#456 Andy35

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 14:57

You are completely right Andy


Thanks, like minds and all that. :up:

Let's face it, Marquez is looking good, but he has the electronics to help out when going from the small bhp Moto2 to the big bhp MotoGP. In the old days from 250 to 500 it would have been a lot steeper learning curve, the engine and the tyres. Now the engine is tamed so he has set to work on the tyres.

Another reason why the electronics should be banned, if it is good enough for F1 it is good enough for MotoGP.



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Posted 12 February 2013 - 15:08

To be fair the old 2 stroke 500cc Motogp bikes were difficult enough to handle even with very experienced riders, at times they were brutal! But I agree with your comments :up:

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 17:08

Interesting to see some peeps are virtually writing off Rossi's chances this year.
I'm not a fan by any means, but you underestimate VR at your peril.
I also think that Marquez will be pushing for wins fairly quickly too.
I'm not a fan by any means, but etc etc.

Go Jorge. :up:

#459 DS27

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 19:01

There's going to be so many mind games at Yamaha this year - can't wait.

Rossi has already started with his, 'it will take me a while to get back up to speed' - he doesn't really believe that sh*t.

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#460 BigCHrome

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 19:35

With so many races per year it is easier to get the wins tally up.
With no titles I'd struggle to put him up there? The other thing with Pedrosa, he doesn't seem to have any sort of personality at all? The only thing I think of when I see or hear about him is a horse jockey. lol.
If you talk about all time greats you surely mean a handful?
So the names of Rossi, Doohan, Rainy, Hailwood, Agostini are obviously greats. Maybe in years to come the likes of Lorenzo or Stoner may be added to it, but would you put Pedrosa there now?
Ahead of other riders like Surtees, Sheene, Lawson, Roberts, Spencer, Read...who aren't even on the list?

PS, not being a dick, just wondering. It's pretty easy to forget how good some of these guys actually were when the stars of today are so easily accessable.


What does personality have to do with it?

#461 Atreiu

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 19:56

There's going to be so many mind games at Yamaha this year - can't wait.

Rossi has already started with his, 'it will take me a while to get back up to speed' - he doesn't really believe that sh*t.


Rossi is so good, he makes mind games and excuses with a single sentence!

#462 dhill39

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 21:16

He's playing mind games with himself because the other guy don't fall for all that crap,all for of the will be fighting for win.

#463 ViMaMo

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:39

Let's face it, Marquez is looking good, but he has the electronics to help out when going from the small bhp Moto2 to the big bhp MotoGP. In the old days from 250 to 500 it would have been a lot steeper learning curve, the engine and the tyres. Now the engine is tamed so he has set to work on the tyres.

Another reason why the electronics should be banned, if it is good enough for F1 it is good enough for MotoGP.



Andy


Is electronics a bad thing?
Just because MM is good , why is it a problem if he can get on the pace immediately? Afterall how many have reached the alien levels with the available electronics? Lets have more aliens !

Edited by ViMaMo, 13 February 2013 - 01:51.


#464 Nova

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:01

It's strange you say 'any given Sunday'. I was always under the impression it means anything can happen, or anybody can win, not be predictable like you say ;) .


I'm Norwegian and language is really not my thing. Spelling errors, grammatical errors and expression errors. Don't think so much about it. :)

What I mean is that in all races next year, the three at top ought to beat MM. If one fails, there is two others that ought to do the job. For all three to fail at the same time ... something extraordinary have to happen. I'm not saying that MM is not good. I just think the level is getting so high that a rookie needs time to break into the absolute top.

#465 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:23

Please keep this thread civil, no personal attacks. Address the post not the person.

#466 Seanspeed

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 14:29

Not that it means everything, but Marquez did a race sim on the last day of testing. It wasn't really much faster than Crutchlow's. Lorenzo did a partial race sim and was much faster than both.

M@M might be quick, but I think he'll still need some time to get to his best for the races.

#467 Tarzaan

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 17:56

WSBK » Phillip Island - Unofficial test times [Thursday]
http://www.crash.net...s_thursday.html

WSBK » Tom Sykes hurts wrist in testing tumble
http://www.crash.net...ing_tumble.html

WSBK » Cluzel injures elbow after painful day at office
http://www.crash.net..._at_office.html


#468 AlanK

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 18:28

Moto GP hava announced they are using the old pit and paddock at Silverstone this year as its more accessible for fans and that the entertainment etc is more centralised. Richard Phillips of Silverstone claims they cannot afford to build a tunnel or bridge to the new complex for now. Seems like a bit of a disaster for the circuit to me. Although the new wing is might impressive the stadium feel of the old layout has been lost as has some of the atmosphere in my opinion.

#469 Atreiu

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 20:46

I'm not sure if it's a disaster, but I never understood the need for altering the layout so much.
What was wrong with it?
If they needed new more comfortable paddock and this or that, do that only.

#470 BigCHrome

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 21:55

Moto GP hava announced they are using the old pit and paddock at Silverstone this year as its more accessible for fans and that the entertainment etc is more centralised. Richard Phillips of Silverstone claims they cannot afford to build a tunnel or bridge to the new complex for now. Seems like a bit of a disaster for the circuit to me. Although the new wing is might impressive the stadium feel of the old layout has been lost as has some of the atmosphere in my opinion.


Are they also going to use the old layout? I prefer it.

Not that it means everything, but Marquez did a race sim on the last day of testing. It wasn't really much faster than Crutchlow's. Lorenzo did a partial race sim and was much faster than both.

M@M might be quick, but I think he'll still need some time to get to his best for the races.


Yeah, I've been meaning to talk about that. The most impressive thing about the aliens is their incredibly consistent and fast race pace, not qualifying. There were often times in the last few years where Dovi or Bautista or any of the other customer riders would qualify ahead of an alien, but they wouldn't be able to stay ahead during the race.

#471 KavB

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 22:37

Wasn't the new layout created because bridge was too dangerous for bikes?

#472 BigCHrome

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 23:25

Wasn't the new layout created because bridge was too dangerous for bikes?


I think the new layout was created because Bernie was crying that his precious F1 paddock wasn't up to the standards of the Oil Princes' tracks.

If turn 11 at Jerez and turn 13 at Barcelona are not dangerous for bikes, I doubt Bridge was that much of a problem, especially considering there is a chicane before it.

#473 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:37

Everyone is crashing at the PI test, must be the new surface.
Camier has just had a big one, he is ok, his bike has left the circuit
https://twitter.com/...1832960/photo/1
https://twitter.com/...9462784/photo/1
https://twitter.com/...5162112/photo/1


#474 chumma

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:02

Everyone is crashing at the PI test, must be the new surface.
Camier has just had a big one, he is ok, his bike has left the circuit
https://twitter.com/...1832960/photo/1
https://twitter.com/...9462784/photo/1
https://twitter.com/...5162112/photo/1

Jee wizz what a mess that bike is.

#475 DS27

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:12

Having been at Silverstone last year for the GP, I think the atmosphere was lacking. There again, I have always found the place soul-less but the new pits complex seems particuarly poor.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 10:22

Everyone is crashing at the PI test, must be the new surface.
Camier has just had a big one, he is ok, his bike has left the circuit
https://twitter.com/...1832960/photo/1
https://twitter.com/...9462784/photo/1
https://twitter.com/...5162112/photo/1

Badovini also had a very big crash and was transported to the nearest hospital by helicopter.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:15

Wow just saw the pictures of badovini's 1199 panigale on crash.net

Burned up really, everything is black and melted. I have a bad feeling for Ducati this year, i still can't understand why they didn't make a big enough effort to get guintoli there.

#478 Tarzaan

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 13:29

Althea Aprilia looks good:

http://www.p1race.hu...ujtsak_20130214

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 21:24

Rumor going around is that Stoner has a deal with HRC for 2 wild cards this year, Motegi and Phillip Island. Those races don't clash with his V8 schedule and a "warmup" race at Motegi before Phillip Island would make sense.

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#480 Atreiu

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 21:46

That's a win/win, if you ask me.

#481 Tarzaan

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 22:18

Superbike-WM - Phillip Island Test (14./15. Februar)
http://www.speedweek...ml?id=827&c=109

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 22:48

Rumor going around is that Stoner has a deal with HRC for 2 wild cards this year, Motegi and Phillip Island. Those races don't clash with his V8 schedule and a "warmup" race at Motegi before Phillip Island would make sense.


That's great to hear, I hope he does well.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 23:28

Rumor going around is that Stoner has a deal with HRC for 2 wild cards this year, Motegi and Phillip Island. Those races don't clash with his V8 schedule and a "warmup" race at Motegi before Phillip Island would make sense.

This is HUGE news, I bet the 'Casey Stoner send off' at PI last year seems a little less nostalgic now.

ps very very excited, I would love to see him jump on the bike and immediately wallop the field.

Edited by chumma, 15 February 2013 - 23:29.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:16

I can't see Casey "quitting" and then coming back for 2 more races. He doesn't seem like the type of person to do that.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:20

How odd if that's true. If it happened I could see him hopefully returning again sometime.

#486 Seanspeed

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 14:57

Not really digging that. You quit like a whiny teenager Casey. Bugger off now. Dont get in the way of a potentially good title battle.

Edited by Seanspeed, 16 February 2013 - 15:00.


#487 EVL29

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 15:41

Does anyone know if the World Superbikes are going to be televised in the U.S.?

They've been on Speed for years now but are no longer listed on their sites tv schedule.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 15:54

Does anyone know if the World Superbikes are going to be televised in the U.S.?

They've been on Speed for years now but are no longer listed on their sites tv schedule.

Not looking good.......

#489 EVL29

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 15:58

Awww crap.


Thanx for the info though.

#490 GSiebert

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:17

Today's laptimes at Phillip Island. Looks like the old Suzuki has found a second life. No serious crash this time.
I think Davies and the BMW don't get along very well, he hasn't been near the top spots since testing started.

1. Leon Camier GBR Fixi Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 1m 31.243s
2. Leon Haslam GBR Pata Honda CBR1000RR 1m 31.396s
3. Michel Fabrizio ITA Red Devils Roma Aprilia RSV4 1m 31.401s
4. Eugene Laverty IRL Aprilia Racing RSV4 1m 31.452s
5. Marco Melandri ITA BMW GoldBet S1000RR HP4 1m 31.485s
6. Carlos Checa ESP Alstare Ducati 1199 R 1m 31.523s
7. Davide Giugliano ITA Althea Aprilia RSV4 1m 31.701s
8. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Aprilia Racing RSV4 1m 31.966s
9. Jonathan Rea GBR Pata Honda CBR1000RR 1m 31.980s
10. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 32.061s
11. Chaz Davies GBR BMW GoldBet S1000RR HP4 1m 32.077s
12. Jamie Stauffer AUS Honda Racing CBR1000RR 1m 32.231s
13. Ivan Clementi ITA HTM Racing BMW S1000RR 1m 32.789s
14. Jules Cluzel FRA Fixi Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 1m 32.817s
15. Vittorio Iannuzzo ITA Grillini Dentalmatic BMW S1000RR 1m 33.162s
16. Max Neukirchner GER MR Ducati 1199 R 1m 33.541s
17. Loris Baz FRA Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 33.628s
18. Glenn Allerton AUS Next Gen BMW S1000RR 1m 34.009s
19. Federico Sandi ITA Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 34.094s
20. Alexander Lundh SWE Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 34.612s

I like that pic

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Edited by GSiebert, 18 February 2013 - 09:47.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 13:00

Today's laptimes at Phillip Island. Looks like the old Suzuki has found a second life. No serious crash this time.
I think Davies and the BMW don't get along very well, he hasn't been near the top spots since testing started.

1. Leon Camier GBR Fixi Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 1m 31.243s
2. Leon Haslam GBR Pata Honda CBR1000RR 1m 31.396s
3. Michel Fabrizio ITA Red Devils Roma Aprilia RSV4 1m 31.401s
4. Eugene Laverty IRL Aprilia Racing RSV4 1m 31.452s
5. Marco Melandri ITA BMW GoldBet S1000RR HP4 1m 31.485s
6. Carlos Checa ESP Alstare Ducati 1199 R 1m 31.523s
7. Davide Giugliano ITA Althea Aprilia RSV4 1m 31.701s
8. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Aprilia Racing RSV4 1m 31.966s
9. Jonathan Rea GBR Pata Honda CBR1000RR 1m 31.980s
10. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 32.061s
11. Chaz Davies GBR BMW GoldBet S1000RR HP4 1m 32.077s
12. Jamie Stauffer AUS Honda Racing CBR1000RR 1m 32.231s
13. Ivan Clementi ITA HTM Racing BMW S1000RR 1m 32.789s
14. Jules Cluzel FRA Fixi Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 1m 32.817s
15. Vittorio Iannuzzo ITA Grillini Dentalmatic BMW S1000RR 1m 33.162s
16. Max Neukirchner GER MR Ducati 1199 R 1m 33.541s
17. Loris Baz FRA Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 33.628s
18. Glenn Allerton AUS Next Gen BMW S1000RR 1m 34.009s
19. Federico Sandi ITA Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 34.094s
20. Alexander Lundh SWE Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 34.612s



Satelite Aprili's also looks strong.

Poor Neukirchner...


WSS test times:

http://www.p1race.hu...azs_23_20130218

For me it's good to see Talma in the 4th place as the best Honda rider.
Also good to see Kevin Courtain in the field (I think he is a wild card rider).

Edited by Tarzaan, 18 February 2013 - 13:02.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 14:21

To win, he will have to beat Lorenzo, Rossi and Pedrosa, 3 all time greats, on competitive bikes.


Depends on how competitive the Yamaha is. If it's 3-4 10ths faster on average, he'll stand a real good chance of beating them. I feel MM will be close enough to beat Dani head to head occasionally come the 2nd third of the season is done.

MY worry is that he comes in and causes a stir like Sic did, with overly aggressive riding. Similar to MM, Lorenzo, who scored pole in his 1st 4 races, and won yamaha's 1st race that year, had a reputation for being overly aggressive. I can't say how impressed I've been that he's been able to curb that aggression.

See no reason why MM can't replicate that kind of performance.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 16:01

Thanks, like minds and all that. :up:

Let's face it, Marquez is looking good, but he has the electronics to help out when going from the small bhp Moto2 to the big bhp MotoGP. In the old days from 250 to 500 it would have been a lot steeper learning curve, the engine and the tyres. Now the engine is tamed so he has set to work on the tyres.

Another reason why the electronics should be banned, if it is good enough for F1 it is good enough for MotoGP.



Andy


So matter-of-factly stated, yet sooooo wrong!

If electronics made riding so easy, how was Stoner able to whoop them all while turning the electronics down furhter than them all. Why did the gap between Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barichello stay them same after introducing TC in the middle of the season? Why didn't we see an obvious rise in the numbers of guys crashing out under acceleration when TC was subsequently banned in F1?

Keep deluding yourselves. The hard parts of racing come looong before you really get on the gas. Electronic aids have squat to do with braking, besides back-torque control, which incidentally, was not an issue on the highly romanticized "fire-breathing" 2-strokers! Squat to do with the corner entry transition to full lean (you're still completely off the gas at that point). Squat to do with early throttle application to load the rear so you don't go wide as you negotiate the apex.

The rest of the challenge is to spin up the rear to encourage it rotate a bit while you stand the bike up to maximize traction out of the corner. TC in most corners is more a safety net than an aid... for professional riders, anyway, and accelerating out of the corners has always been the easiest part of racing. The consequences of making a mistake is highest at that point, though, so we've been fooled into thinking that it was therefore the hardest.

For us all, wheelie control would be set to maximum because no amount of short shifting, rear brake application, or wrist control can compete with the computers in this case.

Edited by BMW4life, 18 February 2013 - 16:12.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 16:03

Rumor going around is that Stoner has a deal with HRC for 2 wild cards this year, Motegi and Phillip Island. Those races don't clash with his V8 schedule and a "warmup" race at Motegi before Phillip Island would make sense.


Motegi is the week after Australia not before.. so it wouldn't be a warm up race. Doesn't seem to be much substance to the story other than Honda saying they'd welcome it. There was talk of a Phillip Island wild card at the race last year.. the BBC guys touched on it.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 18:46

So matter-of-factly stated, yet sooooo wrong!


I'm not sure Andy's post said the things you think it did.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:29

Depends on how competitive the Yamaha is. If it's 3-4 10ths faster on average, he'll stand a real good chance of beating them. I feel MM will be close enough to beat Dani head to head occasionally come the 2nd third of the season is done.

MY worry is that he comes in and causes a stir like Sic did, with overly aggressive riding. Similar to MM, Lorenzo, who scored pole in his 1st 4 races, and won yamaha's 1st race that year, had a reputation for being overly aggressive. I can't say how impressed I've been that he's been able to curb that aggression.

See no reason why MM can't replicate that kind of performance.


Because the aliens got their nickname for a reason. It's not easy to beat their pace.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:46

WSB combined times for both days. Top 11 separated by a second and all 6 manufacturers within 0.3 seconds. The grid may be small but the competition looks better than ever.

Pos. #   Rider			 Bike				  Best Time	Gap  Laps   Session 1  Session 2  Session 3  Session 4
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1	7   Carlos Checa	  Ducati Panigale 1199R  1:31.059		   98	1:33.013   1:31.523   1:32.777   1:31.059*
2	33  Marco Melandri	BMW S1000RR			1:31.237  0.178	82	1:31.993   1:31.485   1:33.462   1:31.237*
3	2   Leon Camier	   Suzuki GSX-R1000 L3	1:31.243  0.184	72	1:32.407   1:31.243*			 1:31.814
4	66  Tom Sykes		 Kawasaki ZX-10R		1:31.261  0.202	99	1:32.178   1:32.061			  1:31.261*
5	84  Michel Fabrizio   Aprilia RSV4 Factory   1:31.350  0.291	90	1:32.088   1:31.401   1:35.738   1:31.350*
6	65  Jonathan Rea	  Honda CBR1000RR		1:31.356  0.297   100	1:31.980   1:32.415   1:33.840   1:31.356*
7	91  Leon Haslam	   Honda CBR1000RR		1:31.396  0.337	84	1:31.858   1:31.396*  1:34.427   1:31.549
8	58  Eugene Laverty	Aprilia RSV4 Factory   1:31.452  0.393	97	1:31.730   1:31.452*			 1:31.712
9	34  Davide Giugliano  Aprilia RSV4 Factory   1:31.640  0.581	84	1:31.924   1:31.701   1:35.144   1:31.640*
10   50  Sylvain Guintoli  Aprilia RSV4 Factory   1:31.658  0.599	61	1:32.409   1:31.966   1:33.485   1:31.658*
11   16  Jules Cluzel	  Suzuki GSX-R1000 L3	1:32.044  0.985	78	1:33.746   1:32.817   1:35.213   1:32.044*
12   19  Chaz Davies	   BMW S1000RR			1:32.077  1.018	96	1:32.688   1:32.077*  1:34.754   1:32.102
13   14  Glenn Allerton	BMW S1000RR			1:32.159  1.100	83	1:34.045   1:34.009   1:36.654   1:32.159*
14   21  Jamie Stauffer	Honda CBR1000RR		1:32.231  1.172	77	1:32.949   1:32.231*  1:34.492   1:32.255
15   76  Loris Baz		 Kawasaki ZX-10R		1:32.625  1.566   113	1:34.499   1:33.628   1:34.328   1:32.625*
16   18  Ivan Clementi	 BMW S1000RR			1:32.789  1.730	66	1:34.112   1:32.789*  1:35.560   1:33.293
17   31  Vittorio Iannuzzo BMW S1000RR			1:32.880  1.821	73	1:34.811   1:33.162   1:36.995   1:32.880*
18   23  Federico Sandi	Kawasaki ZX-10R		1:32.964  1.905	90	1:35.941   1:34.094			  1:32.964*
19   5   Alexander Lundh   Kawasaki ZX-10R		1:33.447  2.388   100	1:35.572   1:34.612   1:52.406   1:33.447*
20   27  Max Neukirchner   Ducati Panigale 1199R  1:33.541  2.482	10	1:33.541*								 
21   86  Ayrton Badovini   Ducati Panigale 1199R  1:33.686  2.627	 8									 1:33.686*


#498 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:03

Looks like everything I "knew" was wrong, Honda RCV213 has a 90 degree V so the Desmosedici's problem is not the engine layout.

Honda RC213V Revealed To Use A 90°V Engine - Now, Rethink Ducati's Problems

#499 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 15:02

It's good to see Cluzel gaining ground. He's been an exciting rider for years now, hopefully he can add something to the (somewhat boring lately) battle at the front.


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#500 Atreiu

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 15:23

Looks like everything I "knew" was wrong, Honda RCV213 has a 90 degree V so the Desmosedici's problem is not the engine layout.

Honda RC213V Revealed To Use A 90°V Engine - Now, Rethink Ducati's Problems



I read that, it's very good. You don't seem someone coing out do often to say "I get it wrong".