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#2351 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 20:53

I quite like this.

Meanwhile, motogp.com commentator Gavin Emmett tweeted perhaps the best quote of the day which had come from Lorenzo himself, ‘Interviewer, "You're a hero". JL99 "No, heroes are those who work hard just to reach the end of each month. I get paid to do these things."’



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 10:12

Like the JL quote - what an agreeable chap Lorenzo has become over the years.

Sykes at the weekend was superb again - he manages to be quick but hardly ever makes mistakes. At 27, I wonder whether the rest of his career will be in WSBK?

#2353 Rob

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 19:42

Haven't spotted this being discussed anywhere else, but it's interesting anyway. Effective immediately, the engine claiming rule has been cancelled for any CRT bike with the official Magnetti Marelli ECU and software. Effective 2014, the engine claiming rule will be cancelled entirely.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 19:48

Haven't spotted this being discussed anywhere else, but it's interesting anyway. Effective immediately, the engine claiming rule has been cancelled for any CRT bike with the official Magnetti Marelli ECU and software. Effective 2014, the engine claiming rule will be cancelled entirely.

Did i understand that correct?
The end of CRT bikes?

I would disapprove that. CRT bikes have become competitve in this year (at least EsA sometimes) and they made some interesting battle behind or sometimes even with the prototypes :well:

#2355 Rob

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 19:53

Did i understand that correct?
The end of CRT bikes?

Nope, it's just that the engines can't be claimed by other teams. I hope they come up with a new name though, as it would be ridiculous to call them Claiming Rule Teams if there is no claiming rule.

#2356 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 19:54

CRT bikes aren't going anywhere, they just losing the name. The claiming rule is just being done away with so a company like Aprillia can produce a top quality competitive motor full of proprietary tech and not risk it being claimed by another manufacturer.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 20:02

Sorry for missunderstanding. and thanks for correcting me that fast :clap:

So the rule change means just that the technologie used by engine suppliers are kept secret? This was one thing those companies complained about

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:30

Ducati will be making four production versions of their bike available for next year, much as Honda are doing.

They'd struggle to sell a full-on prototype at the moment, so I don't see the point.

TBH I dont see how this would help the factory team if that is their goal. The 2013 bike is pitiful. Not to mention the 2013 bike would race under a separate system of rules with CRT tires and more fuel and a personal ecu. I guess some of it would translate over but honestly how much? What if they started beating the factory? lmao?

#2359 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:55

“I braked late at turn one, but I stopped the bike a lot and when I felt he touched me a bit I thought 'Oh! Cal is pushing!'” grinned Marquez. “It is nice, no? It is part of racing. Normally I am the guy who is attacking, but today I was defending the position.”

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#2360 Atreiu

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 15:29

Just imagine if both had DNFed and suddenly Lorenzo made it to the podium. :eek:

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 15:39

Casey Stoner said that after his wrist and ankle breaks, the scaphoid break was next up in terms of pain. He's had collarbone breaks as well.

For motorcyclists, the scaphoid is particularly awkward because it affects mobility of the thumb. It's a potentially career-ending injury if it doesn't heal correctly because you can lose the blood supply and then you need bone grafts etc.

Riders are scary... they can do a list of what hurts more when broked. :lol:

#2362 GSiebert

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 07:32

After the first practice sessions for the Suzuka 8 hours, Schwantz' best time was 4s off the fastest laptime.
Leon Haslam and Michael van der Mark will take part in this race as well.

1. Yoshimura Suzuki Racing Team – Suzuki GSX-R 1000 – Tsuda/Aoki – 2’08.194
2. MuSASHi RT HARC-PRO Honda – Honda CBR 1000RR – Takahashi/Haslam – 2’08.734
3. Team Kagayama – Suzuki GSX-R 1000 – Kagayama/Haga/Schwantz – 2’08.793
4. Monster Energy Yamaha YART – Yamaha YZF R1 – Nakasuga/Parkes – 2’09.402
5. Yamaha France GMT94 Michelin – Yamaha YZF R1 – Checa/Foray – 2’09.590
6. Honda Team Asia – Honda CBR 1000RR – Tamada/Kamaruzaman – 2’09.705
7. TOHO Racing with Moriwaki – Honda CBR 1000RR – Yamaguchi/Itoh – 2’09.860
8. MotoMap Supply – Suzuki GSX-R 1000 – Konno – 2’09.889
9. BMW Motorrad France Team Thevent – BMW S1000RR – Nigon/Barrier/Cudlin – 2’10.114
10. Evangelion RT Trick Star Racing – Kawasaki ZX-10R – Deguchi/Serizawa/Izutsu – 2’10.617
11. Sweets Labo Motorrad 39 – BMW S1000RR – Sakai – 2’10.671
12. F.C.C. TSR Honda – Honda CBR 1000RR – van der Mark – 2’11.746

#2363 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 13:11

Ian Wheeler
According to @SpeedweekMag BMW have a 3 stage plan to enter MotoGP, starting as an engine supplier to Ioda Racing
http://www.speedweek...Bekenntnis.html

#2364 Rob

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 15:25

Ian Wheeler
According to @SpeedweekMag BMW have a 3 stage plan to enter MotoGP, starting as an engine supplier to Ioda Racing
http://www.speedweek...Bekenntnis.html

Makes sense. Now that the claiming rule has disappeared, they can use any technology that they like without fear of their rivals getting hold of it.

#2365 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 06:11

Quick personal note: Last month a very good friend of mine was injured while racing here in California. He fell while running in the top 3 on the opening lap and was hit in the back by the following bike, causing a severed spinal cord and a punctured lung that collapsed and is still causing some fits. He's now starting the rehab and therapy portion of his recovery and still has a long haul ahead before he can return to work.

Aside from being a great racer Dave is probably the nicest guy you'd ever meet at the track. After the crash everyone seemed to have a story about how they were new to racing and their first encounter with him left people amazed at how a multi-time champion and former AMA and World Endurance racer was so unassuming, kind and welcoming. It's always a terrible thing to see a racer and a friend hurt but he's the last guy that I ever wanted to see it happen to.

While Dave is in rehab his family is accepting donations through their blog, www.stanton53support.com. If you're a Hayden fan (I don't think too many of you here are...) he's offering a helmet from last year in exchange for a donation to the Stanton family. http://www.superbike...davestanton.htm Ben Spies also mentioned wanting to help so there may be some stuff from him popping up soon as well.

Stay safe everyone.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 07:26

Spy shot of Scott Redding testing the Suzuki :

https://pbs.twimg.co...IFMZf.jpg:large

#2367 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 07:33

Spy shot of Scott Redding testing the Suzuki :

https://pbs.twimg.co...IFMZf.jpg:large

I would love to hear his comments on the 2 stroke, wonder how hard he pushed it.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 07:55

I would love to hear his comments on the 2 stroke, wonder how hard he pushed it.


Redding races the Kevin Schwantz ’94 Suzuki RGV500 at Spa

The 1994 Suzuki RGV 500 XR84 ridden by Redding is owned by Northamptonshire businessman, Steve Wheatman, and is run at events by his own Team Classic Suzuki set up. The bike weighs just 135kg and produces around 195BHP from it’s 70° V-Four, 498cc two-stroke engine, enough to propel it to a top speed approaching 320km/h with the right gearing.

It’s a very different animal to the four-stroke, 600cc machine that Redding campaigns in the Moto2 World Championship and, judging from the list of injuries Schwantz sustained during his career, a little less forgiving too!

“The bike was absolutely amazing. Okay, the brakes weren’t great, but we were expecting that. The handling was incredible because the bike is so light; it was really easy to change direction. It accelerated hard too, with the front coming up in every gear. I didn’t need a rev counter; I just changed up whenever I felt the front wheel was high enough! There was a lot of power, but it was pretty controllable, nothing like the razor sharp powerband I was expecting. It turns like a 125 and was still pulling in sixth. They should bring these back. It was absolutely mega to ride!”

With no engine braking from the two-stroke motor, Redding wasn’t able to give the Spa crowd a demonstration of backing it in, for which he’s well known in Moto2, but he did manage to show them what the elbow sliders on his leathers are for.

“I was knee down and I could see I was quite close with the elbow, so I just leant it over a bit more and down it went. I don’t think they did that in 500GP back in 1994, but then the tyres we were using today offer a lot more grip than those Kevin Schwantz had to contend with when he raced the bike.”



#2369 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:01

Thanks, can't wait for the videos

Kinda what I expected someone like him would have said.

I would love to see what could be done with modern 2 stroke tech and today's brakes and tyres.

#2370 Rob

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 19:49

Ladies and Gentleman, Mr PJ Jacobsen.
Posted Image
Still amazed that I managed to catch this.

#2371 Atreiu

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 19:53

What? When? How? Is everyone safe?

#2372 PEW

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 19:53

Fantastic shot :up: Surprised you didn't try to sell the photo.

#2373 Rob

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 20:06

What? When? How? Is everyone safe?

BSB at Snetterton. Yesterday. Dunno, didn't see the start of the accident. Yes, everyone's OK. :)

Fantastic shot :up: Surprised you didn't try to sell the photo.

I'm only an amateur, I didn't even think of that. This is probably why I'm still an amateur. :)

#2374 GSiebert

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 21:13

Great shot! Shit you should remove it or add a big copyright on it before any website steals it :D

Edited by GSiebert, 08 July 2013 - 21:14.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 00:24

Redding races the Kevin Schwantz ’94 Suzuki RGV500 at Spa


Y'all know me. Regarding the myth of switch-like power delivery of the legendary two-stokes and how they were sooooo much harder to ride than the tame 4 strokes with riders aids today. I told you so... many times :p

Roll on Germany!

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 00:30

Ladies and Gentleman, Mr PJ Jacobsen.


:up: Thanks for sharing.

#2377 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:09

Y'all know me. Regarding the myth of switch-like power delivery of the legendary two-stokes and how they were sooooo much harder to ride than the tame 4 strokes with riders aids today. I told you so... many times :p

Roll on Germany!

There was quite a twitter discussion about this yesterday, seems tyres and fuel play a very big role in the rideability of the 2 stroke and the bike is not such a monster until you start pushing for that last bit of performance that separates good from great. The tyres of the day were either gripping or they weren't, no warning when they were letting go. I would guess modern 4 strokes with little or no electronics and the tyres of the 2 strokes also wouldn't be considered tame.

#2378 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:10

Ladies and Gentleman, Mr PJ Jacobsen.
Still amazed that I managed to catch this.

Great catch

#2379 manmower

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:51

There was quite a twitter discussion about this yesterday, seems tyres and fuel play a very big role in the rideability of the 2 stroke and the bike is not such a monster until you start pushing for that last bit of performance that separates good from great. The tyres of the day were either gripping or they weren't, no warning when they were letting go. I would guess modern 4 strokes with little or no electronics and the tyres of the 2 strokes also wouldn't be considered tame.

I thought four-strokes were considered "easier to ride" than their two-stroke contemporaries though, at a time when they would have been on the same tyres. Or had the two-strokes somehow become tame at that point? On the other hand I seem to remember the 990s being quite prone to highsiding too, in comparison to today's bikes. All in all I take Redding's surprise at the rideability of the RGV as a hint that some of the two-stroke 500 lore ranges from exaggeration to outright myth.

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#2380 Rob

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:22

All in all I take Redding's surprise at the rideability of the RGV as a hint that some of the two-stroke 500 lore ranges from exaggeration to outright myth.

It's not that much of a surprise. We all have a tendency to exaggerate.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:47

Sad news from the Southern 100 - David Jukes has died following his qualifying crash. :(

http://www.bikesport...amp;newsid=9804

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:11

I thought four-strokes were considered "easier to ride" than their two-stroke contemporaries though, at a time when they would have been on the same tyres. Or had the two-strokes somehow become tame at that point? On the other hand I seem to remember the 990s being quite prone to highsiding too, in comparison to today's bikes. All in all I take Redding's surprise at the rideability of the RGV as a hint that some of the two-stroke 500 lore ranges from exaggeration to outright myth.

I've been saying this for a while. The 500s were in no way unrideable monsters they are made out to be, many great riders emerged from 500s, whilst the 800s/1000s have for the most part been the opposite to what the 500s brought. I'm sure if 500s returned, more riders would be competitive and thus races would become more exciting. The current bikes are too difficult to ride IMO, which is what makes the racing spread out and dull.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:50

I'm not sure it's the bikes who are too difficult to ride, I think it's the tires.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:56

Rumor : Althea will sign with MV Agusta for the 2014 WSBK season today.

#2385 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:59

That would be pretty huge news.

#2386 Rob

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:52

Rumor : Althea will sign with MV Agusta for the 2014 WSBK season today.

That would be awesome.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 13:25

PTR are also considering jumping from WSS to WSBK next year.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 14:05

PTR are also considering jumping from WSS to WSBK next year.

With the new Evo rules it makes it's going to make it easier for teams to step up. I hope to see a few new teams.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 15:04

Sam Lowes should be stepping up with his team as well (I wonder how much support they'll get from Yamaha) and I hope we'll see some good wild cards entries too.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 15:50

No factory Yama for Cal

Yeah, guy on satellite bike achieves performance beyond the capability of motorcycle, and the heads of Yamaha tells him "f#ck you" cuz Moto GP A.D. 2013 is joke. Even in WSBK situation is better, because fast riders with resullts have chance to deal with factory team (Guintoli, Davies), MGP is about media personalities and sponsors.

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#2391 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 15:55

No factory Yama for Cal

Yeah, guy on satellite bike achieves performance beyond the capability of motorcycle, and the heads of Yamaha tells him "f#ck you" cuz Moto GP A.D. 2013 is joke.

He is insisting on a factory ride for 2015, he is good but he is not in the league to make that kind of demand.

The problem in MotoGP is that there are 4 top rides and they filled by the top 4 riders. Cal and Dovi are probably fighting for best of the rest and the best they can hope for is a satellite Yamaha or factory Ducati and that's the choice Cal has to make.

A lot of decisions are based on what Cal elects to do or not do. There are also names like Pol Espargaro and Scott Redding waiting in the wings that have won on prototypes. I suspect a few announcements this weekend.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:17

On Satellite bike he fighting on equal terms with the factory Honda riders and Lorenzo, he is faster than Rossi and Yamaha's heads say that he may be considered as a candidate for factory team in 2015.

Yeah, MGP is currently not enough places for the best riders, but what does this indicate? For me, a sign of weakness of championship since Cal despite results not only did not have a chance to support from factory, but he may lose place in Tech 3 for novice with cash (ESP)

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:22

Rumor : Althea will sign with MV Agusta for the 2014 WSBK season today.

MV Agusta! Will there be a new bike as I dreamt of the F4 making a WSBK appearance but it never happened and that bike is too old now?

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:30

A lot of decisions are based on what Cal elects to do or not do. There are also names like Pol Espargaro and Scott Redding waiting in the wings that have won on prototypes. I suspect a few announcements this weekend.

I wouldn't be surprised if the deals were done this weekend, but I suspect we'll have to wait for any announcements.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:44

At the moment it looks like Redding will land on Gresini's "production racer" Honda. Probably better than Marc VDS Kalex/Yamaha.

Edited by GSiebert, 10 July 2013 - 16:45.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 16:57

At the moment it looks like Redding will land on Gresini's "production racer" Honda. Probably better than Marc VDS Kalex/Yamaha.

Looks like Marc VDS won't be moving up to MotoGP.
"@ianwheeler: @motomatters @paoloscalera Moto2 teams considering MotoGP need to find at least twice as much money as they’re spending now…."
"@ianwheeler: @motomatters @paoloscalera …You can double that again for Honda and Yamaha options. Hard to justify for 10th place at best..."

Be very interesting to see how close Scott can get to Alvaro if he does sign for Gresini.

If rumours are true, Ducati must rate him very highly to consider him for the factory bike.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 18:10

MV Agusta! Will there be a new bike as I dreamt of the F4 making a WSBK appearance but it never happened and that bike is too old now?

The F4 is still very much the same from the outside but it get's updated once in a while. I hope for MV that it will be a succes but in supersport so far it's not going too well.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:52

All in all I take Redding's surprise at the rideability of the RGV as a hint that some of the two-stroke 500 lore ranges from exaggeration to outright myth.


That's my point really...

Yes, the character is completely different, but let's not go overboard. Referring to the old school racers as heroes because they tamed these beasts is utter garbage, while doing a tremendous disservice to today's riders, calling the bikes tame. Yet we see guys like Smith, WSBK champion Spies and even the legendary Valentino Rossi (who has repeatedly described as riding at a hire level than they did in his heyday) struggle to keep within striking distance of today's aces.

Obviously, there's a heck of a lot more to riding than throttle control. Like setting it up, perhaps?

I actually read in the comments section of that motomatters article, that one of the contributors used to have doubts about whether or not Stoner and the gang could handle the 2-strokes... until he read Redding's comments.

Common sense is simply not as common as it used to be...

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:28

There was quite a twitter discussion about this yesterday, seems tyres and fuel play a very big role in the rideability of the 2 stroke and the bike is not such a monster until you start pushing for that last bit of performance that separates good from great. The tyres of the day were either gripping or they weren't, no warning when they were letting go. I would guess modern 4 strokes with little or no electronics and the tyres of the 2 strokes also wouldn't be considered tame.


Let's not forget that 2 years ago, we had lots of cold tire crashes with front tyres that would give way, just the way you described, hence bridgestone come up with a new construction. I'd bet 2 cents that the average lowsides per race during that period was a good bit higher than the average highsides per race in the 80's, even before the long bang motors and unleaded fuel and what not. Not a peep, because a lowside is unsexy. There weren't nearly as many highsides as we're led to believe. Numerous races from the 80s on youtube.

P.S. Casey stoner (I know, I know, but I so wish he was still here) was the lone critic of the upgraded front tire, saying it was a big mistake, and that they would regret it. They're regretting it now. More evidence to support my belief that this lad had a connection with his bike that his peers dreamed of.

Am I really the only person who misses seeing this?

Crazy stoner

Look at his right wrist. You still need to be able to use it.

Edited by BMW4life, 11 July 2013 - 04:30.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:32

I hope for MV that it will be a succes but in supersport so far it's not going too well.


It's not going terribly either though. Remember they're starting from scratch while ever other make of bike has plenty of parts and knowledge already out there. They've also only got one competitive rider in Rolfo and it's debatable how competitive he really is.