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2013 - MotoGP, WSB, Moto2, WSP, AMA, BSB


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#201 Risil

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 20:36

Surprise surprise, Kyo is back in BSB, along side Alex Lowes at Samsung Honda !


That is a surprise. Makes his one-year sojourn to Asia seem a little weirder than I thought.

Honda also seem to have retained the Samsung sponsorship despite Kirkham's departure, which is also interesting. Good return on investment?

Great to see Alex Lowes land on his feet too, obviously. :up:

Edited by Risil, 10 December 2012 - 20:37.


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#202 Rob

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 21:55

Kiyo should be quick again with the lack of electronics.

#203 BigCHrome

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 23:06

Dennis Noyes lobs a cut-out-and-keep objection to the MSMA's fuel economy formula in his latest column:


Basically the worst possible regulations for MotoGP.

Entertainment value goes down, costs go up, only factory teams of Yamaha and Honda will be able to fight for the wins.

#204 Risil

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 23:22

I dunno, sounds like a pretty good outcome for at least two of MotoGP's major stakeholders to me.

#205 GSiebert

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:35

Dan Linfoot is back in BSB on a Honda. I didn't know he and Florian Marino had been fired from the WSS factory Kawasaki team after Foret and Sofuoglu joined the team.

Maxime Berger has signed with Yamaha GMT94 for the WEC. They are also planning to wildcard at Magny Cours and Jerez.

#206 GSiebert

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 17:47

WSS transfers :
Luca Scassa => MV Augusta
David Salom => Kawasaki Intermoto

#207 Rob

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 18:12

German GP is back to the 14th again to avoid the F1.

#208 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 22:35

Jack Kennedy signs for WSS team.

#209 ehagar

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:23

Make no mistake, this kid is good. :up:


I watched the Donington Park race from the inside of Redgate and came away seriously impressed with him. PJ was the star of the weekend in my eyes. I'm not sure of the talent level in Superstock (to be honest it always seemed to me to be the place where Up and Comers, real roads racers, and stubborn tradesmen from Yorkshire get together to go racing) but it was a full grid and he was stalking Lee Johnston the entire race.




#210 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:33

Luca Scassa => MV Augusta


Not so fast...

Due to media comments and news about the deal between Luca Scassa and ParkinGO MV Agusta Team competing the World Supersport Championship in 2013, I would like to inform you all that the any decision is not been taken yet nor any deal is been made up to now.

Luca comments:
"It's clear that with the succeses I had with MV Agusta in my career and my personal relationships that keep me close to the brand, MV Agusta covers a special place in my heart and it would be an enormous pleasure for me to be part of the project again."

Anyway, at the moment, no deal has been made yet and we're valuing the MV Agusta possibility just as the other interesting proposals.
At convenient time it will be with extreme satisfaction that we'll comunicate next season's choice.

Bruno Ponti
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#211 carbuff

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 20:16

Posted Image

It seems the location is Paul Ricard.

From left:

Espargaro, Mamola, Schumi, Keith Flint (Prodigy) and John McGuinness


John McGuinness looks so big compared to the other guys, almost seems like a real human!

#212 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 18:20

Big step up for Iddon

#213 GSiebert

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:47

So no Scassa.

#214 Tarzaan

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 14:30

Scassa is a good rider but imho too big for a WSS bike.

#215 dhill39

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 21:42

Just read that article in autosport about Rossi and Lorenzo,I think joining them up again was a bad decision,because the team is going to choose sides.I think that a racing team should have a number 1 and 2 driver or rider,causes less problem,and I think it's going to backfire on Yamaha.So how long till they start going at each other.

#216 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 21:49

What does it matter? They ran two bikes adequately in the past. Separate but equal seems to work.

#217 Risil

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 23:45

What does it matter? They ran two bikes adequately in the past. Separate but equal seems to work.


I'm sort of expecting Crutchlow to inherit Spies's "bad luck" and not Valentino.

#218 dhill39

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 00:59

What does it matter? They ran two bikes adequately in the past. Separate but equal seems to work.


It matters when you have that's winning for you,why upset the balance.

#219 Tarzaan

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 13:15

Video of Schumacher, Espargaro, Mamola, McGuinness and Flint having fun
Published on 17 Dec 2012 by Toni M.

http://www.twowheels...lint-having-fun

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#220 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 13:30

It matters when you have that's winning for you,why upset the balance.


Because they don't need to choose sides? They're not even dividing the teams but past years shows they could. They even managed it when they had bikes on different tires.

#221 Rob

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 18:59

The second Ioda CRT rider will be Lukas Pesek. Another strange choice. :drunk:

#222 jrg19

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 22:47

99 JORGE LORENZO, SPANISH, YAMAHA FACTORY RACING, YAMAHA


http://www.motogp.co...toGP entry list

Any reason why Jorge isn't using the #1 bike again?

#223 GSiebert

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:39

Same reason than for the first time ?

#224 goldenboy

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:38

Same reason than for the first time ?

which was what? (I don't remember). All I can think of was he was wanting to build his brand image up of that JL thing.

I love having a bike out there with the number 1 on it as a target.

#225 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:54

Can someone help with translation please:
@MOTOCI_Maroto: “@Kinifumi: LCR tendra 2 pilotos en 2013!el compañero de Bradl será Marco Melandri @OSCARHAROTASEND" Melandri? No era Inocencio Saints? Jeje

according to Google
@ MOTOCI_Maroto: "@ Kinifumi: LCR will have two riders in 2013!-Mate Marco Melandri @ Bradl will OSCARHAROTASEND" Melandri? There was Innocent Saints? Jeje

Is it a joke or serious? Jeje=hehe so I am confused

#226 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:40

which was what? (I don't remember). All I can think of was he was wanting to build his brand image up of that JL thing.

I love having a bike out there with the number 1 on it as a target.

Isn't there a feeling among a lot of riders that the number 1 plate is "cursed" in some way and that if they use it they're doomed to failure the following season? I'm struggling to remember the last rider who retained a top class title with it.

Edit, found this

http://2wheeltuesday...late-is-cursed/

Edited by bigarthurisgod, 28 December 2012 - 12:44.


#227 jrg19

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 13:00

Isn't there a feeling among a lot of riders that the number 1 plate is "cursed" in some way and that if they use it they're doomed to failure the following season? I'm struggling to remember the last rider who retained a top class title with it.

Edit, found this

http://2wheeltuesday...late-is-cursed/


Thanks, Maybe he has superstitions about using it again.

I prefer his 99 logo anyway.

#228 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 13:18

Thanks, Maybe he has superstitions about using it again.

I prefer his 99 logo anyway.

Me too, that JL thing made me think of Jennifer Lopez, anyway! :stoned:

#229 montoyasminion

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:51

Isn't there a feeling among a lot of riders that the number 1 plate is "cursed" in some way and that if they use it they're doomed to failure the following season? I'm struggling to remember the last rider who retained a top class title with it.

Edit, found this

http://2wheeltuesday...late-is-cursed/

When did Alex Criville ride a Suzuki? :rolleyes:

#230 Risil

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 13:12

Edit, found this

http://2wheeltuesday...late-is-cursed/


Looking at that table, it seems the biggest barrier to winning championships was not being Valentino Rossi or Mick Doohan.

#231 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 18:13

Looking at that table, it seems the biggest barrier to winning championships was not being Valentino Rossi or Mick Doohan.

But would Rossi have won as many titles if he'd used the number one plate?
One less maybe at least!
:lol:

#232 Lazy Prodigy

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 20:31

hmmmmm.... So when do we get to see Rossi and Yamaha. Im very interested who is sponsoring them plus the new look repsol hondas

#233 kosmic33

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 00:14

I think they're due to have their first test at Sepang Feb 5-7.
I remember reading that Monster are going to be sponsoring the works team after buying out J.L's Rockstar deal. Not sure if thats confirmed though

#234 jrg19

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 00:19

I think they're due to have their first test at Sepang Feb 5-7.
I remember reading that Monster are going to be sponsoring the works team after buying out J.L's Rockstar deal. Not sure if thats confirmed though


So we'll see the two factory Yamahas with Monster on the side and the tech 3s with monster on the side...

Jorge just resigned with Rockstar too, guess they'll have to pay him extra.

#235 manmower

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 18:28

Straight Talk: Ben Spies Leaves Yamaha For Ducati.

Looking back, I know I tried 100 percent in all the races, but as everybody saw with all the crazy mechanical problems we had this past season—blistered and chunked tires, rear suspension failure, blown engine, fried clutch, overheated brakes—something else wasn’t 100 percent.

There’s no way anybody could have planned all that or made it happen. Usually, one of those things happens once a year to a rider. For us, they all happened in one year, back-to-back-to-back. It looks bad for the team, but I know it had nothing to do with them. It was just a lot of bad luck.

I’ll admit it was frustrating to look on the other side of the garage and see everything was perfect. My teammate, Jorge Lorenzo, was winning races and, eventually, the world title. I know his engine, brakes, clutch, suspension and tires were the same as mine. You don’t want bad things to happen to someone else, but it’s hard—not just for the rider but the team, as well—to see everything going right on their side and wrong on our side.



#236 HaydenFan

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 19:14

Equal? Yeah, at least trying to be PC there aren't you Spies? Should've taken the BMW deal in Superbike like reported. The Duc program in MotoGP was a one trick pony. They had Stoner and he figured it out, and then it went back to where it was before Stoner. But then again, MotoGP has overtaken WSBK for entires and amount of competitive bikes.

#237 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 20:42

But then again, MotoGP has overtaken WSBK for entires and amount of competitive bikes.

Mmmmm
Entries? 6 works bikes, 6 satellite bikes and 12 CRTs, so arguably two seperate 12 bike grids in one class, hardly mouth watering.

Competetive bikes, debatable (very).

2013 Moto GP Grid

Provisional 2013 WSB Grid

Ok, the supers grid is worryingly small at the moment, but I'd say there was more than 4 bikes/riders capable of winning.


#238 Risil

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 20:42

The Duc program in MotoGP was a one trick pony. They had Stoner and he figured it out, and then it went back to where it was before Stoner.


They were in a pretty good position before Stoner arrived at the team. If Capirossi hadn't got injured in the middle part of the season he might've been world champion.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:37

http://www.roadracin.../?article=50564

He'll shine wherever he ends up in WSBK, the dude is good.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:07

They were in a pretty good position before Stoner arrived at the team. If Capirossi hadn't got injured in the middle part of the season he might've been world champion.


Lot of "older" guys who run very good with the 1000cc bikes in 2005-06 struggled in the 800 cc era (electronics, fuel limits). Capirossi, Melandri, Hayden (who went from champion to also-run). Also 2006 was the 5th year of the 1000cc regulations, that helped those teams who needed to catch up a little.

Edited by piszkosfred, 04 January 2013 - 09:08.


#241 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 16:55

Dorna to axe Euro Superstock?

#242 Risil

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 17:05

Replaced by a "250cc four-stroke series"? A Moto3 European Championship would be an interesting proposition. If the FIM is serious about providing a big customer base for cost-capped Moto3 machinery, then that's what they should do. Might even lead to some four-stroke race machinery filtering down to national level, actually reducing the need for youngsters to race in Spain.

Edited by Risil, 07 January 2013 - 17:07.


#243 jrg19

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 13:00

http://www.motogp.co...ory Racing team

Monster Energy factory Yamahas confirmed.

*Also the Hondas new livery is set to be unveiled on the 24th of January.

Edited by jrg19, 08 January 2013 - 13:08.


#244 dhill39

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 13:23

So no more rockstar Jorge.

#245 kosmic33

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 13:46

http://www.roadracin.../?article=50564

He'll shine wherever he ends up in WSBK, the dude is good.

He'll be lucky if he manages to get a good ride in WSS.
Very lucky......

#246 jrg19

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 15:56

So no more rockstar Jorge.


Guess he'll just have a massive M on the side of his lid now.

#247 bigarthurisgod

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 17:18

So no more rockstar Jorge.

Wonder if my can of Lorenzo Rockstar from Spain will be worth more now.............


#248 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:38

Cute bike (Parkingo-MV Agusta):


http://www.p1race.hu..._lenni_20130109

#249 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:44

Dorna to axe Euro Superstock?



Another shocking news about the series. But they didn't axe the superstock category. They axe the superbike cathegory. They keep the name, but under stock rules. This means the bikes will be 3-4sec/lap slower, and less attractive for the factory teams, so it became a semi amateur series with 30+ grid, but less interest.


About the planned/rumored 250cc stock class: according 2 wiki a 250cc stock engine (4 stroker) has about 25-30hp, which is pathetic. Moto3 has about a double of this (50+).

#250 Risil

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:30

Another shocking news about the series. But they didn't axe the superstock category. They axe the superbike cathegory. They keep the name, but under stock rules.


Arguably, although I imagine they'll keep things like slick tyres. Think BSB.

This piece of news caught my attention recently:

AMA bosses postpone spec ECU decision

A reflection that with the Grand-Am/ALMS class mergers and the Daytona Prototype's planned assault on Europe, DMG are too busy to make a final decision for their Superbike series till February? AMA Superbike, afaik, has largely stock rules but great freedom of electronics. I wonder whether they've identified this as a way of attracting manufacturers back to their series, and are delaying a decision to gauge interest from the usual suspects. Would be awfully ironic after what happened in 2009. All that said, you'd think Honda, BMW, Kawasaki etc would like to race in a series with a TV deal, given any choice.