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#401 Rob

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 15:56

Nicky Hayden: Ducati have lost even more ground.

"It's still a bit frustrating to be so far away. Even further away than we ended last year, I guess," said the 2006 world champion.

"It's really tough on all the guys and me."



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#402 Risil

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 18:31

if India join Motogp calender,it will be way better place for winter testing...


Better sort out the customs problems first.

#403 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 18:37

Rossi and Lorenzo eager for Yamaha gearbox upgrade

#404 Ellios

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:50

Marquez tumble - he's fine, not the same for the bike: http://instagram.com/p/ValoaEkQh6/

#405 GSiebert

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:54

Ducati Alstare WSBK

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:07

Rain at Sepang, today's times,
1. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 2m 0.100s (Lap 4/44)
2. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory (YZR-M1) 2m 0.429s (4/58)
3. Valentino Rossi ITA Yamaha Factory (YZR-M1) 2m 0.542s (43/55)
4. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 2m 0.636s (32/54)
5. Cal Crutchlow GBR Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 2m 0.734s (5/49)
6. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda MotoGP (RC213V) 2m 1.003s (14/43)
7. Alvaro Bautista ESP Honda Gresini (RC213V) 2m 1.502s (29/48)
8. Bradley Smith GBR Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 2m 2.093s (43/48)
9. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Team (GP13) 2m 2.184s (19/49)
10. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP13) 2m 2.277s (37/38)
11. Katsayuki Nakasuga JPN Yamaha Test Rider (YZR-M1) 2m 2.616s (12/21)
12. Aleix Espargaro ESP Aspar (ART CRT) 2m 2.628s (37/47)
13. Andrea Iannone ITA Pramac Racing (GP13) 2m 2.864s (17/32)
14. Kosuke Akiyoshi JPN Honda Test Rider (RC213V) 2m 3.082s (14/28)
15. Michael Laverty GBR Paul Bird Motorsport (ART CRT) 2m 3.874s (40/47)
16. Randy De Puniet FRA Aspar (ART CRT) 2m 4.066s (38/38)
17. Wataru Yoshikawa JPN Yamaha Test Rider (YZR-M1) 2m 4.137s (5/18)
18. Hector Barbera ESP Avintia (FTR-Kawasaki CRT)* 2m 4.211s (31/37)
19. Takumi Takahashi JPN Honda Test Rider (RC213V) 2m 4.288s (37/46)
20. Danilo Petrucci ITA IodaRacing (Suter-BMW CRT)* 2m 4.531s (32/34)
21. Karel Abraham CZE Cardion AB (ART CRT) 2m 4.766s (57/61)
22. Hiroshi Aoyama JPN Avintia (FTR-Kawasaki CRT)* 2m 4.940s (43/45)
23. Claudio Corti ITA Forward (FTR-Kawasaki CRT)* 2m 5.107s (13/37)
24. Lukas Pesek CZE IodaRacing (Suter-BMW CRT)* 2m 5.321s (39/40)
25. Yonny Hernandez COL Paul Bird Motorsport (ART CRT) 2m 5.580s (14/43)
26. Bryan Staring AUS Honda Gresini (FTR-Honda CRT) 2m 5.970s (38/41)
27. Colin Edwards USA Forward (FTR-Kawasaki CRT)* 2m 6.141s (38/41)
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#407 carbonfibre

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:40

Ducati Alstare WSBK

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Wow what a bike, sex on wheels. :eek:

And what is going on with Edwards? I really have the feeling he should have gone to wsbk 2 seasons ago instead of hanging around the back of the MotoGP field.

#408 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:17

@ianwheeler: Heard rumours about new ESGP team not racing in Moto2 on Monday. Not surprised, but bad news for @GinoRea, especially this late in the day.

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#409 Rob

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:17

Dovi has just said that Ducati need to seriously think about starting a new bike completely from scratch. If he thinks this after only three days then things must be really bad.

Edited by Rob, 07 February 2013 - 12:18.


#410 carbonfibre

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:28

Dovi has just said that Ducati need to seriously think about starting a new bike completely from scratch. If he thinks this after only three days then things must be really bad.

Did he expect otherwise this year?

2013 was always going to be the throw away year, testing all kinds of stuff and trying to hang on and maybe crawl closer towards the top. In 2014 i think we will see the first different ducati MotoGP bike.

#411 Tarzaan

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 13:47

Ducati Alstare WSBK

https://fbcdn-sphoto..._60713911_o.jpg


Nice. If you have some more hi-res, pls share with us!:)

Edit: I found:

http://www.alstare.net/#weingut4

Aprilia:

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more:

http://www.crash.net...le_defence.html

edit: more & bigger images

http://www.twowheels...rbike-2013-01/5

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#412 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 14:01

Gino Rea loses Moto2 ride

#413 GSiebert

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 15:15

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Must be a sign :)

Edited by GSiebert, 07 February 2013 - 15:15.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 19:17

Dovi has just said that Ducati need to seriously think about starting a new bike completely from scratch. If he thinks this after only three days then things must be really bad.


Embarrassing. Ducati are going to finish off a few careers this season.


#415 Lazy Prodigy

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 22:24

Lol what will they do next? They tried a new frame and a revised engine. The only thing they can do is obviously add a side car for throwing banana peels on the circuit. And I'm very serious. This is very embarrassing for them. You probably couldn't pay anyone except Stoner to ride the bike besides for the sake of being in gp.

#416 Tonka

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 00:32

Gino Rea loses Moto2 ride



I know there were often reason for them, but Gino is paying for dropping his bikes just a bit too often. That, and being English, because there are some dreadful European riders getting good bikes in Moto2, who will never get into the top 10, let alone onto the podium.

Perhaps he needs to relocate to Italy and start learning the accent!





#417 kosmic33

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 21:43

You probably couldn't pay anyone except Stoner to ride the bike besides for the sake of being in gp.

The thing people often forget when saying that is that Stoner has never rode that bike.
Or the one before it.
Or the one before that.
He has never even rode a 1000cc Ducati before so how the hell can anyone say with any degree of certainty whatsoever that he could win on the current one?

#418 carbonfibre

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 08:50

They should just try and ask him nicely to do a test this year and see what he thinks about the bike.

#419 Andy35

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 18:15

Until Ducati sort out that engine configuration they are pissing in the wind, they have changed everything else. That engine V angle is useless it seems. They need to copy Honda. It's been the suspect for years but because it is supposed to link in with their street bikes. Forget it.

The WSB Ducati looks fantastic though :up:

How come Pedrosa is so little in front of MM ? MM goes to new tyres, new electronics and lorra lorra more powaa and he is not far behind. I'm starting to think Pedrosa is going to be spanked this year by his new team mate. Unless they start slapping point deductions on him.

Marquez v Lorenzo for the championship? I would not bet against it at the moment to be honest.

Andy

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#420 GSiebert

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 19:44

The PBM CRT bikes will look like this :

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#421 kosmic33

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 19:44

Lorenzo was fastest in 1 or 2 pre season tests when he first jumped on a Moto GP bike.
He slowed down a bit when he started jumping off it!

#422 kosmic33

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 19:45

The PBM CRT bikes will look like this :

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No Sponsors again!
Where do they get the money?

#423 fer312t

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 21:03

Guys, quick question...Why do the WSBK Ducati's have a single rear swingarm...and advantages/disadvantages to this?

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 21:07

The PBM CRT bikes will look like this :

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That reminds me, must get the dog some tins of Pedigree Chum.

#425 GSiebert

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 21:40

Where do they get the money?


Dorna


#426 GSiebert

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 21:44

Guys, quick question...Why do the WSBK Ducati's have a single rear swingarm...and advantages/disadvantages to this?

Because the Panigale has a single swingarm :)
Advantage : more flexible chassis, better feedback to the rider, quicker tire change (could be useful with the new rules)
Disavantadge : less stable in high speed corners

#427 BigCHrome

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 22:53

Until Ducati sort out that engine configuration they are pissing in the wind, they have changed everything else. That engine V angle is useless it seems. They need to copy Honda. It's been the suspect for years but because it is supposed to link in with their street bikes. Forget it.

The WSB Ducati looks fantastic though :up:

How come Pedrosa is so little in front of MM ? MM goes to new tyres, new electronics and lorra lorra more powaa and he is not far behind. I'm starting to think Pedrosa is going to be spanked this year by his new team mate. Unless they start slapping point deductions on him.

Marquez v Lorenzo for the championship? I would not bet against it at the moment to be honest.

Andy


Way to completely overreact.

#428 Atreiu

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 22:59

Something about those last tenths being the most difficult to find.

#429 dhill39

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 00:37

I think it will be a few races before we see Marques fighting with Lorenzo,Pedrosa,same for Rossi too.For Marques,it's going to surprise him that from the word go,Lorenzo and Pedrosa are going full tilt till the flag,he will be there,he's very good.

#430 DS27

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:35

Marques is obviously very good, and I expect him to win races, but I'll be surprised if he's not 'tumbling through the gravel' too often to challenge for the championship - at least for this year.

#431 Nova

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 20:50

I expect three winners this season. Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Rossi. Marques will not best all three of them at the same time at any given Sunday.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:19

I expect three winners this season. Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Rossi. Marques will not best all three of them at the same time at any given Sunday.

I think you underestimate Marquez slightly. I think he'll win this year, maybe not at the beginning but definitely later on.

#433 sopa

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 15:20

I predict Marquez season to be like Lorenzo's first moto gp season in 2008. Stuns the field with his speed with a win or more, but also has some serious crashes and as a result ends up 4th in the championship behind more experienced riders.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 15:32

Marques will not best all three of them at the same time at any given Sunday.


Even if that were the case, don't assume Pedrosa/Lorenzo/Rossi will sweep the podium every weekend. Yamaha or Honda may have clear advantages on particular weekends. People crash. Things blow up. It rains.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 15:58

I envision MM to have a similar rookie season to both his contemporaries (Pedrosa and JLo) there for he will win races. I have no indication of him being head and shoulders above either of them though.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 16:10

Even if that were the case, don't assume Pedrosa/Lorenzo/Rossi will sweep the podium every weekend. Yamaha or Honda may have clear advantages on particular weekends. People crash. Things blow up. It rains.


If the stars align ... and all that. If not the level is so high amongst the top three, and a rookie how ever talented, needs time to get accustomed to racing in the top league.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 16:47

Pedrosa had no problem, and there were a lot more people fighting for wins in his year.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 17:46

I expect three winners this season. Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Rossi. Marques will not best all three of them at the same time at any given Sunday.


Well one of them is fragile to injury, and the other two are riding a different bike, which is unlikely to be vastly superior each weekend.

Those four should be a total league of their own, so it won't take much more than a sprinkle of rain or a first corner shunt (if it even takes that - I don't think it will) and Marquez will find himself within a real shout of a win.

I think Marc will replicate what the other three have done in winning in their first season of the top class.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 17:59

Dani Pedrosa came second in his first race and had his first win by the fourth race, he finished the season with the same amount of wins as his more established team-mate, who won the world championship that year

what's amazing is he isn't a multiple motogp champion already - he's paid a high price for his injuries, his rookie season could make a good comparison to Marquez

Lorenzo's rookie season, as we all know was blinding fast or high-siding out of it, but the first three races were 2-3-1

personally, would have been great to have had Stoner on a Ducati in his rookie season, weren't many who expected 10 race wins the following season

Edited by Ellios, 11 February 2013 - 18:01.


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 18:00

I expect three winners this season. Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Rossi. Marques will not best all three of them at the same time at any given Sunday.

It's strange you say 'any given Sunday'. I was always under the impression it means anything can happen, or anybody can win, not be predictable like you say ;) .

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 21:38

It's strange you say 'any given Sunday'. I was always under the impression it means anything can happen, or anybody can win, not be predictable like you say ;)


Well... this is MotoGP we're talking about. Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis

Edited by Risil, 11 February 2013 - 21:38.


#442 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 22:21

Well... this is MotoGP we're talking about. Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis

What's the Latin referring to? I'm confused :confused: .

I just find it curious the post basically said, expect the expected on these unpredictable Sundays. As the expression goes, 'on any given Sunday, any [NFL] team can win', hardly subscribing to the idea that three men will dominate race wins this year . . . Or am I the only one who sees this? :well:

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 22:56

Marques will not best all three of them at the same time at any given Sunday.


Ah, but then he could still win at Assen :)

#444 Risil

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 00:00

:up: :lol:

Can we hold you to that prediction? ;)

Edited by Risil, 12 February 2013 - 00:00.


#445 ViMaMo

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:26

If MM bests all the three, will you miss Stoner ?  ;)



#446 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:40

If MM bests all the three, will you miss Stoner ? ;)

who?

#447 0thecougar

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:08

Is Marc Marquez as good as his jr series results show?
I didn't follow MotoGP's other categories through the years when Rossi/Pedrosa/Lorenzo came through the junior categories, so I was wondering if there's any sort of comparison for Marquez? Have the other 3 come through 40 bike fields from the back to win when on similar machines to the rest etc etc? I do realise that these other 3 have had EXCEPTIONAL jr categories with masses of wins and titles, but just wondering if there's any sort of match.
I guess the real question may be-
Is he the next big(est) thing, another *Rossi*, or the next big disappointment another*Pedrosa*?
It's obviously super early days and no one really knows, but that's the fun part about pre-season while we wait and wait and wait some more.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:36

IMO Marquez has dominated more than any of the other aliens in the junior series - well, over the last few years of his career anyway.

Only time will tell whether this translates into results, but you have to say that he has hardly arrived at an easy time. To win, he will have to beat Lorenzo, Rossi and Pedrosa, 3 all time greats, on competitive bikes. A far cry from Rossi just having to beat Sete when racking up win after win. Thankfully Rossi at least made it look entertaining back in those days. I swear he could have ridden of into the distance at most of the races if he had wished to.

Edited by DS27, 12 February 2013 - 08:41.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:00

He does really seem to have the goods. Slightly wild, but adds to the excitement when someone's really pushing for it.
Slightly off that though...Pedrosa an all time great? Really?
Even his biggest supporters surely can't back that claim...

#450 DS27

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:29

Slightly off that though...Pedrosa an all time great? Really?
Even his biggest supporters surely can't back that claim...


I'm not even a supporter, but 7th in the all time wins table (45 in all classes) and currently 10th equal in the top class wins table (22), with this almost certain to rise to 7th this year.

Granted, a title would cement it, but if Pedrosa can't be considered a great, then not many can. The Stirling Moss of motorcycle racing perhap's. :)