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#251 BetaVersion

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 21:24

Just look at speed trap. Everybody should follow Red Bull route and choose a more downforce setup :stoned:

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#252 apoka

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 21:25

No, it was McLaren.

Only a short reply since it is off topic: RB suffered quite a bit from EBD rule changes, floor holes (clarification), engine torque maps (clarification). Even if you think Mclaren suffered more, you still have to think about whether that cost Hamilton roughly 70 points relative to Vettel, which would be needed to be in the championship fight at the moment.


#253 Talisker

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 21:44

All over for Alonso.

Vettel will romp this.


But it's been obvious for a while that Vettel is faster. FA has acknowledged himself that he needs RB to have some sort of problem for him to win the championship, so I don't see how this changes anything. There's still a reasonable chance of a DNF for Vettel, or an incident on the track. What would really hurt FA even more would be McLaren or Lotus being right in there as well, and from these practice sessions he looks good from that perspective.

#254 Dalton007

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 22:00

Thanks for killing the championship with your rule changes FIA! Good going.


RB did a better job than the other teams. :up:

#255 Juan Kerr

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 22:07

Slippery track with high speed aero corners absolutely favours aero performance not mechnical grip=Red Bull. That car is way faster than the McLaren its like watch Prost v Senna in 1993

#256 Alarcon

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 22:33

Sebastian is fastest driver on the grid with exhaust, without it, with the faster car, without it, with the mapping, without it, from the lead, from the pit lane... in fact, they have changed the rules, he has been penalised, he had very bad luck, issues, fuel problems... but he´s still on the lead.

Today was a big hit from him, he had problems on his car (again), he came later and he delivered some stunning laps. Maybe tomorrow all will change, who knows, but today was another prove, new circuit very tricky where the driver is much important than the car.

P.D. McLaren has been overall the fastest car on Q3 this season and tomorrow will be again on the fight.

Edited by Alarcon, 16 November 2012 - 22:36.


#257 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 23:07

Sebastian is fastest driver on the grid with exhaust, without it, with the faster car, without it, with the mapping, without it, from the lead, from the pit lane... in fact, they have changed the rules, he has been penalised, he had very bad luck, issues, fuel problems... but he´s still on the lead.

Nonsense. It's all been Red Bull tracks from Singapore on, that's why he's on top all the time. Calendar needs to be more balanced to even it out a bit more.

#258 KOMORI

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 23:10

RB did a better job than the other teams. :up:


This. The car has been strong all year really, and close to dominating over the closing third of the season. In comparison Ferrari have battled with a car that's not *quite* there but maximized by a brilliant Alonso and Mclaren have found new and sometimes innovative ways to shoot themselves in the foot in a championship they could easily have won or been in the mix at this stage.

Add to this Seb has been brilliant over the last few races and IMHO Alonso needs a massive dose of luck to wrest this title from him.

#259 Coops3

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 23:11

All over for Alonso.

Vettel will romp this.


We're all doooomed!

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#260 Flamini

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 23:16

Sebastian is fastest driver on the grid with exhaust, without it, with the faster car, without it, with the mapping, without it, from the lead, from the pit lane... in fact, they have changed the rules, he has been penalised, he had very bad luck, issues, fuel problems... but he´s still on the lead.


It's not about the exhaust or mapping, it's about stable rear.

#261 andrewf1

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 23:28

Nonsense. It's all been Red Bull tracks from Singapore on, that's why he's on top all the time. Calendar needs to be more balanced to even it out a bit more.


you do realize nobody plans the calendar according to the performances of a car. the fact that they've been red bull tracks is the merit of red bull alone.

#262 korzeniow

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 23:40

to understand how slippery was the surface of the track just look at this photo:

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you can see the reflection of the car in the asphalt :eek:

#263 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 00:06

to understand how slippery was the surface of the track just look at this photo:

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you can see the reflection of the car in the asphalt :eek:


Wow.

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#264 APR824

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 00:07

to understand how slippery was the surface of the track just look at this photo:

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you can see the reflection of the car in the asphalt :eek:

:eek: Where ccan I buy some for my counter top?

#265 Creepy

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 00:11

Sebastian is fastest driver on the grid with exhaust, without it, with the faster car, without it, with the mapping, without it, from the lead, from the pit lane... in fact, they have changed the rules, he has been penalised, he had very bad luck, issues, fuel problems... but he´s still on the lead.


Yeah but his rivals also suffered bad luck and issues eh?

#266 TheSpecialOne

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 00:16

Yeah but his rivals also suffered bad luck and issues eh?


ah, a bit of eulogising over vettel, knew it wouldnt take long!

#267 Alx09

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:03

Plenty of people for being FP1:

http://i.imgur.com/5NyqM.jpg

#268 Longtimefan

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:08

Seems Newey's latest FRCI is working a treat...
 ;)




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#269 swerved

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:08

Plenty of people for being FP1:

http://i.imgur.com/5NyqM.jpg



65,360 according to Jon Nobles twitter, thats a healthy crowd for a Friday.

They had a machine, well 2 machines actually, going around cleaning up the inside line of the start section, the side with the even numbers, it was shown on Sky.


#270 swerved

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:15

Seems Newey's latest FRCI is working a treat...
;)




Fia Rule Circumventing Invention



I like Red Bulls SGCG most of all.

Its not a Sublimely Generated Centre of Gravity, its a Sour Grapes Comments Generator, I've just seen the machine they use to polish their cars..


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#271 muramasa

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:37


i got bored of this track already :|

#272 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 03:08

They had a machine, well 2 machines actually, going around cleaning up the inside line of the start section...

Zambonis?
That track looks slick as snot...

#273 discover23

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 03:13

Sebastian is fastest driver on the grid with exhaust, without it, with the faster car, without it, with the mapping, without it, from the lead, from the pit lane... in fact, they have changed the rules, he has been penalised, he had very bad luck, issues, fuel problems... but he´s still on the lead.

and where was he at the beginning of the season when Webber was out-qualifying him?


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:46

Practice 2: :: Sector times :: Lap Chart


#275 Icicle

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 06:59

Is there any full lap onboard link from FP1 & FP2?

Edited by Icicle, 17 November 2012 - 07:03.


#276 sailor

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 08:08

and where was he at the beginning of the season when Webber was out-qualifying him?

Sandbagging

#277 DarthWillie

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 08:27

and where was he at the beginning of the season when Webber was out-qualifying him?



giving out hope, ready to crush it :p  ;)

#278 swerved

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 08:35

Zambonis?
That track looks slick as snot...



I couldn't tell, I'll see if i can have another look, one was a bona-fide truck, as in, a large semi type, and the other following behind was a mid sized pick up truck, the big rig was apparently using a jet engine ?, This was according to Kravitz on Sky, who was then visibly delighted to play with the horn in a fire truck, so i wouldn't take the jet engine thing as gospel :lol:


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 08:36

Sebastian is fastest driver on the grid with exhaust, without it, with the faster car, without it, with the mapping, without it, from the lead, from the pit lane... in fact, they have changed the rules, he has been penalised, he had very bad luck, issues, fuel problems... but he´s still on the lead.

Today was a big hit from him, he had problems on his car (again), he came later and he delivered some stunning laps. Maybe tomorrow all will change, who knows, but today was another prove, new circuit very tricky where the driver is much important than the car.

P.D. McLaren has been overall the fastest car on Q3 this season and tomorrow will be again on the fight.

I understand your point on addressing how some people discredit Vettel. But the driver is much more important than the car on a new slippery circuit? Never. Drivers can be more important than themselves from track to the other, but more important than the car itself. That is just non-sense.

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#280 sailor

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:22

Sebastian is fastest driver on the grid with exhaust, without it, with the faster car, without it, with the mapping, without it, from the lead, from the pit lane... in fact, they have changed the rules, he has been penalised, he had very bad luck, issues, fuel problems... but he´s still on the lead.

Today was a big hit from him, he had problems on his car (again), he came later and he delivered some stunning laps. Maybe tomorrow all will change, who knows, but today was another prove, new circuit very tricky where the driver is much important than the car.

P.D. McLaren has been overall the fastest car on Q3 this season and tomorrow will be again on the fight.

:up:

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:37

I was the very first to bash Vettel to say that he has superior car etc... But after all what he proved this season, he can overtake, he can make numerous fastest lap, and he done almost everything he could.

I believe he is best driver on the grid and fully deserve 3rd title

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:42

I was the very first to bash Vettel to say that he has superior car etc... But after all what he proved this season, he can overtake, he can make numerous fastest lap, and he done almost everything he could.

I believe he is best driver on the grid and fully deserve 3rd title


Where he was in the first half of the season when his car wasn't superior? Sory, dominant

Edited by korzeniow, 17 November 2012 - 10:43.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:43

I was the very first to bash Vettel to say that he has superior car etc... But after all what he proved this season, he can overtake, he can make numerous fastest lap, and he done almost everything he could.

I believe he Alonso is best driver on the grid and fully deserve 3rd title


Fixed it for you. :)

#284 Shiroo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:45

But he was always there, or thereabout. He had in 1st half of the season, car inferior to McLaren (and in some races to Lotus).

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:50


I was the very first to bash Vettel to say that he has superior car etc... But after all what he proved this season, he can overtake, he can make numerous fastest lap, and he done almost everything he could.

I believe he Alonso is not best driver on the grid and he (Vettel) fully deserve 3rd title


Fixed it for you. :)

Fixed it for you. :)

#286 korzeniow

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:53

But he was always there, or thereabout. He had in 1st half of the season, car inferior to McLaren (and in some races to Lotus).


He was but nowhere near Alonso.

It's easy to call Vettel the best driver, strange that it's only suggestive when he has class of the field car

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:54

But he was always there, or thereabout. He had in 1st half of the season, car inferior to McLaren (and in some races to Lotus).


Well, he was behind Webber in various races in the first half of the season. As soon as Webber signed for next year and the car became the fastest Vettel is there again. For me Vettel is very good when the car is very good, otherwise, he is no better than Webber. Well, we all know he is a bit better than Webber, but not what we are seeing now.

I really believe that Vettel is like Pedrosa in Motogp, these two drivers goes fast as hell when everything is sopt on, but when it isn´t... they fail to deliver somehow. The thing is that Vettel has been lucky enough to join the right team in the right moment, most people here would agree with me that the result would be the same if you swap Vettel for Hulk , Diresta, or Rosberg or Button. But... would Button be fighting for the championship in that Ferrari? or Rosberg... os Vettl for that matter? I don´t think so.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:54

But he was always there, or thereabout. He had in 1st half of the season, car inferior to McLaren (and in some races to Lotus).


Thats not strictly true. In qualy pace yes, for the most part the Mclaren had the edge, but can you remember the end of the Oz GP when Mark was hounding Lewis? The Red Bull has been one of the best cars in race trim all season. Red Bull won 3 out of the first nine race, that would of been 4 but for an alternator failing. The RB8 has been the best race car over the course of the season, comfortably IMO.

Edited by olliek88, 17 November 2012 - 10:56.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:18




Well, he was behind Webber in various races in the first half of the season. As soon as Webber signed for next year and the car became the fastest Vettel is there again. For me Vettel is very good when the car is very good, otherwise, he is no better than Webber. Well, we all know he is a bit better than Webber, but not what we are seeing now.


Various, as in 3?



I really believe that Vettel is like Pedrosa in Motogp, these two drivers goes fast as hell when everything is sopt on, but when it isn´t... they fail to deliver somehow. The thing is that Vettel has been lucky enough to join the right team in the right moment, most people here would agree with me that the result would be the same if you swap Vettel for Hulk , Diresta, or Rosberg or Button. But... would Button be fighting for the championship in that Ferrari? or Rosberg... os Vettl for that matter? I don´t think so.


Depends on if the question is asked at Alonsofans.com, then perhaps most people would agree with you. Otherwise, :rotfl: no.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:25

Webber outraced Vettel only in China, Monaco and UK. Button outraced Hamilton in Australia, possibly Belgium, Japan (China, Germany are unknowns). Raikkonen was outraced by Grosjean in Valencia, Canada, possibly China (pacewise UK too). Alonso got outraced in Korea. But pacewise Massa is the worst driver of the four #2's anyway. So based on team-mate comparisons the top drivers are hardly separated.

Edited by sopa, 17 November 2012 - 11:26.


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:43

Where he was in the first half of the season when his car wasn't superior? Sory, dominant


In the championship lead at one point for example

#292 choyothe

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:55

In the championship lead at one point for example


And only not being in the title lead for a far longer time because of retiring from the lead in Valencia after a dominant performance.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:58

Webber outraced Vettel only in China, Monaco and UK. Button outraced Hamilton in Australia, possibly Belgium, Japan (China, Germany are unknowns). Raikkonen was outraced by Grosjean in Valencia, Canada, possibly China (pacewise UK too). Alonso got outraced in Korea. But pacewise Massa is the worst driver of the four #2's anyway. So based on team-mate comparisons the top drivers are hardly separated.


Kimi had better pace than Grosjean at silverstone, kimi had more faster laps and already in the middle of the race Grosjean was behind Kimi but Kimi was able to pull away.

#294 korzeniow

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:27

Kimi had better pace than Grosjean at silverstone, kimi had more faster laps and already in the middle of the race Grosjean was behind Kimi but Kimi was able to pull away.


Thanks to 8 laps fresher tyres