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#101 Anonymous

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:01

lewis! :clap:

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#102 Rentta

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:02

Brilliant car control by maldonado

#103 PinkZepStones

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:02

How boring, utterly utterly boring, we had to sit 2010 and 2011 with a Red Bull car able to just walk away in races and we get the slightest hope of change in 2012 with 7 winners 7 races and the championship just fizzles out like a safety match.

I hate F1 when its like this. But i cant help and watch.



#104 Mario5

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:02

Turn 19 is very tricky. Good job Vettel, Ham and Maldonaldo.

#105 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:02

lewis! :clap:


he is second

#106 Slowinfastout

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:02

this is fun to watch.. no grip.

Hopefully they gonna put some grass outside that turn 19 in the future, though it might not matter if such low level of grip is a one-off..

#107 fatd

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:03

That's kinda great top 5: rb- mclaren - williams - ferrari - mercedes.

#108 Anonymous

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:03

he is second


and I'm happy

#109 Toffeli

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:04

Gif of the Perez incident?

#110 Shiroo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:04

It is mostly also due to tyres that are way too hard for this track. Soft and super softs would be best here. Atm these these tyres are too hard, they need a lot to get to into operating window + they dont have enough grip for this track.

Pirelli just made their biggest faux pas this year

#111 apoka

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:04

Alonso should be able to get closer with a clean lap. Again, quite a big gap between Vettel/Hamilton and team mates - not sure if they were held up.

#112 Sakae

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:04

Seb has done well, and hopefully he, and the team, are ready for qualification.

#113 Jambo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:04

Fair play to Pastor there, lovely stuff having it sliding like that and still getting the time at the end.

#114 Alx09

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:05

Difference between Vettel/Webber and Hamilton/Button is quite big.

Impressive Maldonado.

Edited by Alx09, 17 November 2012 - 16:05.


#115 SamH123

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:06

Maldo wasn't even looking that strong in FP3 when he qualified well in Singapore and Abu Dhabi

He could possibly be Vettel's closest challenger!!

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:07

It is mostly also due to tyres that are way too hard for this track. Soft and super softs would be best here. Atm these these tyres are too hard, they need a lot to get to into operating window + they dont have enough grip for this track.

Pirelli just made their biggest faux pas this year


no, Pirelli did what any supplier would have done.

It's the same for everyone and we've got a situation where the driver can make a bit more of a difference which is a good thing as well.

#117 OneAndOnly

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:08

Maldo wasn't even looking that strong in FP3 when he qualified well in Singapore and Abu Dhabi

He could possibly be Vettel's closest challenger!!

That could be very bad for Vettel :)

#118 cooper

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:08

lewis! :clap:

Keeping Vettel honest at least.. I feel for Alonso, he has driven superbly this season and now in the closing stages the RB is pretty much unreachable. Must be painful seeing the WDC just drive off into the distance

#119 Bunchies

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:08

Do you guys think the Americans would have loved F1 more with last year's EBDs? Especially the Red Bull's one when off-throttle.


No because it sounded like shit.

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#120 mnmracer

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:09

How boring, utterly utterly boring, we had to sit 2010 and 2011 with a Red Bull car able to just walk away in races and we get the slightest hope of change in 2012 with 7 winners 7 races and the championship just fizzles out like a safety match.

I hate F1 when its like this. But i cant help and watch.

Yes, because of the last 6 races, Red Bull was fastest ALL the time, except 3 of them, including the last one and they're about even here...
Stop whining and catch up to reality.

#121 tarmac

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:10

ruh roh

HRT might not make it

#122 Shiroo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:10

no, Pirelli did what any supplier would have done.

It's the same for everyone and we've got a situation where the driver can make a bit more of a difference which is a good thing as well.

so we should bring med & hards everywhere? that's why there are so many compounds to make good use of them. They failed with compounds here, I would accetp med & softs, or soft & SS, but this atm looks just odd

#123 apoka

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:10

Keeping Vettel honest at least.. I feel for Alonso, he has driven superbly this season and now in the closing stages the RB is pretty much unreachable. Must be painful seeing the WDC just drive off into the distance

Alonso had slides in T19 in both fast laps at the end - I think Ferrari is a little closer than it seems at the moment. And Webber is actually behind both Ferraris.

Edited by apoka, 17 November 2012 - 16:12.


#124 ViMaMo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:11

Newey needs retirement.

#125 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:12

Maldo wasn't even looking that strong in FP3 when he qualified well in Singapore and Abu Dhabi

He could possibly be Vettel's closest challenger!!


Nice to see you can wrestle with the car and still be quick. I thought this is impossible in modern formula one

#126 Nahnever

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:13

How far was Hamiltons time from Vettel?

#127 Sakae

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:13

Keeping Vettel honest at least.. I feel for Alonso, he has driven superbly this season and now in the closing stages the RB is pretty much unreachable. Must be painful seeing the WDC just drive off into the distance

Item 1 - Vettel in his own standing is not chopped liver, but darn good driver
Item 2 - Alonso beat Webber in second RBR car, but failed to beat Sebastian

Last, and perhaps most important - there is still qualification ahead to go through, and the race. Any car can slide off. Nothing is lost or won, yet.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:14

so we should bring med & hards everywhere? that's why there are so many compounds to make good use of them. They failed with compounds here, I would accetp med & softs, or soft & SS, but this atm looks just odd


Dude.. Have I said anything like that?

This is a new track and although it turned out not to be very warm weather, it could have been..

Any manufacturer would have played it safe while dealing with the unknown, that's just how it is.

#129 aray

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:14

Maldo wasn't even looking that strong in FP3 when he qualified well in Singapore and Abu Dhabi

He could possibly be Vettel's closest challenger!!

it is only the sector 3 where RB-Vettel has clear edge...Maldo lost 0.5 in that sector only....

#130 mnmracer

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:14

He had slides in T19 in both fast laps at the end - I think Ferrari is a little closer than it seems at the moment. And Webber is actually behind both Ferraris.

Doesn't matter. People will twist reality any way they can to keep the myth alive that it's all Red Bull. Hell, the other day someone claimed Red Bull has been fastest for the last 5 races, so including Singapore and Abu Dhabi. Pathetic, but some people are only interested in their own agenda, not in enjoying what's actually happening in the sport.

#131 Baddoer

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:14

Vettel, Maldonado, Hamilton and Mercedes all look very strong
Lotus, Ferrari and Button look bad

Edited by Baddoer, 17 November 2012 - 16:15.


#132 SamH123

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:17

People are saying that Pirelli were too conservate but I read that the harder tires have the WIDEST operating window

So soft/supersoft tires could have been carnage? Or have I read some misleading info

#133 BernieEc

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:19

Vettel will definitely be on pole.

Not sure where the Ferrari is at the moment but Hamilton looks good as well. He might even give Vettel a run for his money

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:20

Keeping Vettel honest at least.. I feel for Alonso, he has driven superbly this season and now in the closing stages the RB is pretty much unreachable. Must be painful seeing the WDC just drive off into the distance

Surely you mean Sebastian Vettel is pretty much unreachable! Maybe it's the German, not the Car. The other "unreachable" RB is is 3 places behind Alonso.

1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:36.490 18
2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:36.748 0.258 20
3 Pastor Maldonado Williams 1:37.001 0.511 21
4 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:37.180 0.690 21
5 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:37.247 0.757 24
6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:37.262 0.772 27
7 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:37.298 0.808 18

#135 choyothe

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:23

Looking reasonably good. Vettel for pole and Mcs, Mark, Maldo and maybe Nico to drop Alonso to 6th-7th would be optimal, especially taking into consideration that turn 1. :love:

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:26

Surely you mean Sebastian Vettel is pretty much unreachable! Maybe it's the German, not the Car. The other "unreachable" RB is is 3 places behind Alonso.

1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:36.490 18
2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:36.748 0.258 20
3 Pastor Maldonado Williams 1:37.001 0.511 21
4 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:37.180 0.690 21
5 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:37.247 0.757 24
6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:37.262 0.772 27
7 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:37.298 0.808 18


So Mark Webber is the limit of physics and Sebastian Vettel is making Newton and Einstein false prophets?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:26

Surely you mean Sebastian Vettel is pretty much unreachable! Maybe it's the German, not the Car. The other "unreachable" RB is is 3 places behind Alonso.

1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:36.490 18
2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:36.748 0.258 20
3 Pastor Maldonado Williams 1:37.001 0.511 21
4 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:37.180 0.690 21
5 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:37.247 0.757 24
6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:37.262 0.772 27
7 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:37.298 0.808 18


Vettel could be two seconds in front and Webber dead last. Even in this situation others would talk about his advantage in his superior Newey Car. I guess right now we see what we would have seen in the 90's in form of a Schumacher/Newey combination. Great driver + great car makes an unbeatable team

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:26

This result would actually interesting for qualifying. Maldonado on 3rd, with quick-starter Alonso 4th on the alleged 'better side'. Will he have the balls to keep his foot down?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:26

People are saying that Pirelli were too conservate but I read that the harder tires have the WIDEST operating window

So soft/supersoft tires could have been carnage? Or have I read some misleading info


There are high-speed corners and the potential for hot weather existed, the level of grip of the track surface was unknown.

What would people have said about Pirelli if it turned out to be the perfect storm opposite scenario and the tyres were too soft and were f*cked after two laps?

I mean, I don't even get how it's possible to have difficulty understanding that they had to play it safe..

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:27

Doesn't matter. People will twist reality any way they can to keep the myth alive that it's all Red Bull. Hell, the other day someone claimed Red Bull has been fastest for the last 5 races, so including Singapore and Abu Dhabi. Pathetic, but some people are only interested in their own agenda, not in enjoying what's actually happening in the sport.

I dont know man. The onboards show pretty clearly how much more glued that Red Bull is than other cars.

#141 mnmracer

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:28

So Mark Webber is the limit of physics and Sebastian Vettel is making Newton and Einstein false prophets?

If we are to believe that Massa is the limit of physics and Fernando Alonso is buddies with The Doctor.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:29

Great to watch Maldonado not lifting off the throttle at all when the rear started to break away! Half a second off; the Williams is very competitive again.
Webber just HAVE to fix things for qualifying today. If he's eight tenths off again in qualifying it will be shameful. Come on man!

#143 mnmracer

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:30

I dont know man. The onboards show pretty clearly how much more glued that Red Bull is than other cars.

If the other cars want to be 'glued to the track' they should put more wing, but just being glued to the track is not the fastest way around it.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:30

If we are to believe that Massa is the limit of physics and Fernando Alonso is buddies with The Doctor.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.


But I don't believe that.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:30

I dont know man. The onboards show pretty clearly how much more glued that Red Bull is than other cars.


Red Bull setups their cars for more downforce. Of course they are more glued to the track than others. So by saying Reb Bull is the fastest cars because of a stable car/glued car is a little bit short sighted

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:32

Practice 3: :: Sector times :: Lap Chart


#147 Seanspeed

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:36

being glued to the track is not the fastest way around it.

Not always, but usually.

#148 mnmracer

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:38

Not always, but usually.

So why don't the others put more wing if it's as simple as you want us to believe?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:40

This result would actually interesting for qualifying. Maldonado on 3rd, with quick-starter Alonso 4th on the alleged 'better side'. Will he have the balls to keep his foot down?

Webber said the even side is a joke, so that is not the alleged better side.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 16:43

Surely you mean Sebastian Vettel is pretty much unreachable! Maybe it's the German, not the Car. The other "unreachable" RB is is 3 places behind Alonso.

1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:36.490 18
2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:36.748 0.258 20
3 Pastor Maldonado Williams 1:37.001 0.511 21
4 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:37.180 0.690 21
5 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:37.247 0.757 24
6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:37.262 0.772 27
7 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:37.298 0.808 18



Lets be real; all of Webber's laps were pretty much crap. He is not a good measure of the RB8. All you have to do is look on the cars through the corners to see where the grip limit is. Vettel's RB8 was glued to the track. The other cars especially the Williams and Ferrari were sliding all over the place.