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#51 Miggeex

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:44

Ferrari won't let that go trough with only a warning... :D They'll do anything to get Alonso on the clean side when there's a chance. Wasn't Alonso at the Abu Dhabi paddock until the night waiting just for the Vettel's case decision?

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#52 SenhorBeef

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:45

JEV missed one earlier this year and was let off with a reprimand:
http://motorsport.ne...idge,40504.html

However as a stone cold cynic I think the FIA could give Webber a 10 place grid drop. That would make Alonso a net 7th and put him on the clean side of the grid.


I remember Brundle saying at the time that he got excluded from Monaco in (i think) 95 for missing the same thing

#53 OSX

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:49

Michael Wise ‏@SkySportsMike
Stewards currently seeing @AussieGrit, allegation being that he failed to stop for his car to be weighed at the end of Q1 #AustinGP #skyf1

Well, it seems pretty certain then that Webber loses that 3rd spot on the grid.

#54 ryan86

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:54

I think Brundle got excluded in Brabham so probably 1991.

This could get farcicial. Say Webber is knocked down at least 5 places. Schumi taking a gamble thinking that starting 7th might be better than 4th, argues that heheld Alonso up, with Fernando tries to claim that despite his protestations on the radio, Schumacher hand't held him up as he'd rather start 7th as opposed to 6th.

Edited by ryan86, 17 November 2012 - 20:55.


#55 ensign14

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:56

Should be a DQ, surely? How can RB prove Webber was above the weight minimum in practice if he didn't get weighed? Wouldn't that in fact be a reason for him to avoid being weighed?

#56 korzeniow

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:00

Should be a DQ, surely? How can RB prove Webber was above the weight minimum in practice if he didn't get weighed? Wouldn't that in fact be a reason for him to avoid being weighed?


Yes, DSQ from the quali would be the most logical thing here

#57 ryan86

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:02

I have to agree, I can't see what other alternative there can be unless Webber can prove that it was impossible to see the signal.

#58 turssi

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:02

Was this why Webber looked so grumpy when he stepped out of the car?


As longtimefan put it Webber was born grumpy :-) Like Clint Eastwood you know.

#59 Vic Vega

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:06

Forgot to weigh in Webber's car because they were busy submitting Horner's application for greatness?

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#60 Jackmancer

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:06

It's not as if Vettel needs Webber's help with that.


Well, Webber would put Alonso's finishing position down one place, probably.

#61 turssi

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:10

Should be a DQ, surely? How can RB prove Webber was above the weight minimum in practice if he didn't get weighed? Wouldn't that in fact be a reason for him to avoid being weighed?


He would have been weighed in the end of Q3.

#62 Baddoer

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:14

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets away with it.

Edited by Baddoer, 17 November 2012 - 21:14.


#63 ensign14

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:26

He would have been weighed in the end of Q3.

By which time they could have added fuel to get him back above.

#64 sheSgoTthElooK

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:28

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets away with it.


Guess so.

But please make the decision soon, and also Schumachers. Crap, want to know the grid positions in correct order :drunk:

#65 OSX

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:31

Daniel Chalmers (The F1 Times):

"So Webber missing the weigh bridge ought to bring him a 5 place pen. That's what happened to Kobyashi for that offence in Hungary 2010."

http://twitter.com/d...914463426191361

#66 fisssssi

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:36

Will that push him down to 8th?

#67 topical

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:39

Massa also in the stewards office.

#68 race addicted

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:42

....and as ever, why is it tsking so long to get a decision through?

#69 Kvothe

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:43

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1
Mark Webber given reprimand over weighbridge incident

#70 Topsu

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:44

Charlie caught a smell of burgers in the parking lots.

#71 jals99

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:45

Massa also in the stewards office.

And Shumacher?


#72 Kvothe

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:46

And Shumacher?


Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1
No further action taken against Michael Schumacher for moment with Fernando Alonso in Q1

#73 1Devil1

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:46

And Shumacher?


no further action

#74 jals99

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:47

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1
No further action taken against Michael Schumacher for moment with Fernando Alonso in Q1

Not fair, I think blocking was clear...

#75 OSX

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:47

Jonathan Noble (Autosport):

"Mark Webber given reprimand over weighbridge incident."

http://twitter.com/N...918345200021504


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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:47

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1
Mark Webber given reprimand over weighbridge incident


WUT?

Amazing let off! unbelievable

Edited by study, 17 November 2012 - 21:48.


#77 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:48

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1
No further action taken against Michael Schumacher for moment with Fernando Alonso in Q1

It was Q2 first, and now is Q1. When exactly "the big incident" happen? Michael keep 5th I hope then.


#78 Absulute

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:51

lol, unbelievable.

#79 OSX

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:51

WUT?

Amazing let off! unbelievable

Yup. :down:

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#80 ryan86

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:52

I think this Webber incident sets a very dangerous precedent.

#81 study

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:53

surly this should be up there with failing to provide a fuel sample or a athelete missing a drug test?

If it means nothing why have it

#82 OSX

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:55

I think this Webber incident sets a very dangerous precedent.

Guess there must be a good reason for Webber getting off the hook this way considering that Kobayashi got a 5 place penalty for the same offence in Hungary 2010.

#83 D.M.N.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:57

Michael Wise ‏@SkySportsMike
"Driver failed to proceed directly to the FIA garage for weighing when signalled to do so. However upon realising the error, the team brought the car back to the FIA garage immediately."
9:55 PM - 17 Nov 12

So same as the Toro Rosso incident earlier this year, with the same outcome. Seems fair to me.

FIA :up:

#84 Victor_RO

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:57

Guess there must be a good reason for Webber getting off the hook this way considering that Kobayashi got a 5 place penalty for the same offence in Hungary 2010.


Allegedly the team brought the car back to the weighbridge after realizing the mistake.

#85 ryan86

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:00

Ah, OK, if that was what happened the "penalty" is more understandable.

#86 windy1603

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:01

Allegedly the team brought the car back to the weighbridge after realizing the mistake.


Or after they had time to pump the coolant/fuel back to comply with weight distribution rule :stoned:

Edited by windy1603, 17 November 2012 - 22:01.


#87 george1981

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:03

I used to think that no team would even attempt to run a car underweight due to the consequences. However with the Vettel 1 litre of fuel incident from the last race someone pointed out that lots of teams are marginal on fuel and take the chance that they won't be found out or if they are they'll be able to argue their way out of it.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:05

I used to think that no team would even attempt to run a car underweight due to the consequences. However with the Vettel 1 litre of fuel incident from the last race someone pointed out that lots of teams are marginal on fuel and take the chance that they won't be found out or if they are they'll be able to argue their way out of it.


Minimum weight doesn't include fuel.

#89 Baddoer

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:15

Thats how FIA deals with Red Bull mafia

#90 ivand911

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:15

GregoryHainesF1: Main reasons: Webber reprimand because Red Bull realised error and took the car straight back.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:20

So same as the Toro Rosso incident earlier this year, with the same outcome. Seems fair to me.

FIA :up:

Ditto :up:

No biggie reprimand seems fine

#92 turssi

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:31

Or after they had time to pump the coolant/fuel back to comply with weight distribution rule :stoned:


Was it really that hard for him to get in front of HRT, Caterham, Marussia and the broken down Toro Rosso of Vergne in Q1?

Remember that he qualified 3rd in Q3 and was weighed after that.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:40

Can't believe people were actually proposing a DSQ for this. I wonder what on earth do you think they had to gain from this would this be intentional? People are becoming worse than FIA, throwing ridiculous penalties about every ridiculous incident. I'm sure people will soon be demanding DSQ for speeding in the pit lane too.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:45

GregoryHainesF1: Main reasons: Webber reprimand because Red Bull realised error and took the car straight back.


Well then start from the back of the grid? Precedence is made, at the last race.

#95 george1981

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:47

Minimum weight doesn't include fuel.


I meant not having 1 litre of fuel in the car for a sample. I thought no team would risk it given the consequences but found out that apparently a few teams do risk it.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:47

Can't believe people were actually proposing a DSQ for this. I wonder what on earth do you think they had to gain from this would this be intentional? People are becoming worse than FIA, throwing ridiculous penalties about every ridiculous incident. I'm sure people will soon be demanding DSQ for speeding in the pit lane too.

To be fair at the point most were saying dsq we did not know the car had been taken straight back to the weightbridge.
Yes a mistake was made in simply not going directly into the FIA pit but as soon as they made the mistake they retified it without the chance of tampering with the car.
They gained no advantage and it could be argued got a slight disadvantage due to less time to work on the car between the two qually sessions.
So IMHO no foul and an aussy with a red face end of story

#97 ryan86

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:52

Can't believe people were actually proposing a DSQ for this. I wonder what on earth do you think they had to gain from this would this be intentional? People are becoming worse than FIA, throwing ridiculous penalties about every ridiculous incident. I'm sure people will soon be demanding DSQ for speeding in the pit lane too.


Historically, throughout the 80's and 90's, you would get thrown out of the entire weekend for this offence. Heidfeld was thrown out of the race after being found to be underweight during qualifying in Europe 2000.



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Posted 17 November 2012 - 22:54

I used to think that no team would even attempt to run a car underweight due to the consequences. However with the Vettel 1 litre of fuel incident from the last race someone pointed out that lots of teams are marginal on fuel and take the chance that they won't be found out or if they are they'll be able to argue their way out of it.


This is not about fuel and on an higher level you got it backwards as well.

The teams are competing fiercely and leaving no room for mistakes. Sure this environment can make cheating seem like an option and that had happened by 1990's. FIA picked this up, understood what was happening and started acting.

The story here is that FIA has set good examples that cheating does not pay and this year we have seen even smallest mistakes getting caught by the control measures, investigated and punished when punishment is due.

So bravo FIA! Good job in keeping the sport seem clean!

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 23:01

Well then start from the back of the grid? Precedence is made, at the last race.


How does Seb being short on fuel have any relevance to this?

The precedent was set earlier in the season, http://motorsport.ne...idge,40504.html

The exact same situation and the exact same "punishment", FIA :up:

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:49

I remember the rushed weigh-in of Mark's car today. Whatever issue is being addressed by their doing that needs to be addressed in a different way.