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#1201 Jim Thurman

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 15:48

Short track racing is not as common in europe as it is the US. I very much doubt it exists in more than a half a dozen countries on this side Jim.
It's been ages since I watched a full race and it was in the internet. It's tricky keeping up with the latest definition of hole/whatever in Formula 1, let alone keep up with short track. Not that I don't like short track, but it's nearly impossible for me to watch due to availability and shedules.
I cant even watch the V8 Supercar races that have been streamed live for free because it was bloody late for me!

Red17, humble apologies, I neglected that some of the posts were from our overseas NASCAR fans. OTOH, nosaj has no such excuse! :D

Transferring cars through heats is a very common short track format for some time. The "progressive heat" format has been around more than 40 years. Some tracks/associations used heat races for starting positions in the feature. Some they seemed there simply for tune-up or simply to fill out the program.

When using the "progressive" format, the heats were quite exciting. When not, not so much. Interestingly, open wheel had a tendency to do this format far more than stock cars. Stock car associations rarely used the progressive format, at least until latter era dirt stocks.

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#1202 Myrvold

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 17:44

I don't really care about the format, as long as Dave Blaney get's a good result! :p

#1203 jonpollak

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 23:25

I did a bad thing.
Jp

#1204 nosaj100

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 23:31

Red17, humble apologies, I neglected that some of the posts were from our overseas NASCAR fans. OTOH, nosaj has no such excuse! :D

Transferring cars through heats is a very common short track format for some time. The "progressive heat" format has been around more than 40 years. Some tracks/associations used heat races for starting positions in the feature. Some they seemed there simply for tune-up or simply to fill out the program.

When using the "progressive" format, the heats were quite exciting. When not, not so much. Interestingly, open wheel had a tendency to do this format far more than stock cars. Stock car associations rarely used the progressive format, at least until latter era dirt stocks.


Come on now. Give me a little more credit than that. I know about the format. My post was more about being a tad surprised they actually decided to do it. I figured they would try to treat it as much like a normal race as possible just because its already a good sized headache for the teams to make a dirt truck as is.

#1205 Lemnpiper

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:21

Red17, humble apologies, I neglected that some of the posts were from our overseas NASCAR fans. OTOH, nosaj has no such excuse! :D

Transferring cars through heats is a very common short track format for some time. The "progressive heat" format has been around more than 40 years. Some tracks/associations used heat races for starting positions in the feature. Some they seemed there simply for tune-up or simply to fill out the program.

When using the "progressive" format, the heats were quite exciting. When not, not so much. Interestingly, open wheel had a tendency to do this format far more than stock cars. Stock car associations rarely used the progressive format, at least until latter era dirt stocks.




Plus if you wanna see a Priume example of how thingwork with heats being used to qualify i suggest you check out the AMA Motorcycles on any dirt oval , being it a short track to a mile dirt oval.very oftyen the heats provide a clue who may be hooked up for the evening or who may struggle just to make the main race.

BTW is the any start times listed for when quals and the heats will be run yet.?
Hopefully the best dirt tracks races are under the lights since then the sun wont "bake" the track into a one groove track .

#1206 X61

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:18

Regarding the dirt race, does anyone know what teams will do with the exhaust pipes since with the normal setup it seems they would be stuffed with dirt after one lap? Or is it not an issue?

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 05:27

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#1208 Dilla

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 06:03

Chip Ganassi selling to John Menard? One of the hottest stories in the garage Thursday was intense speculation that veteran team owner Chip Ganassi may be considering selling his two-team NASCAR operation to John Menard. Menard, who owns the Midwestern home improvement chain Menards, is a long-time racer, and he is currently sponsoring his son Paul's NASCAR team, part of the Richard Childress organization. Ganassi and Childress are both Chevy men. Childress supplied Ganassi's two teams (with #1-Jamie McMurray and #42-Juan Pablo Montoya) with engines until this season, when Ganassi switched to Hendrick motors. Of the sport's top eight team owners, Ganassi this season ranks seventh in finishes. Of particular disappointment is Montoya, who is averaging a 27th place finish; Montoya's last top-10 was at Michigan last June, and his last tour win was at Watkins Glen in the summer of 2010. McMurray's seventh at Martinsville last weekend was his best finish in over a year.(MikeMulhern.net)(4-12-2013)

#1209 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:00

I can't see that happening because it doesn't make any sense. Why would Chip sell? That Target deal pays for itself, they can run 'bad' and still make money.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:05

I can't see that happening because it doesn't make any sense. Why would Chip sell? That Target deal pays for itself, they can run 'bad' and still make money.

True. However Chip's ego is taking a beating. His Cup team isn't just bad, it's terrible. His lack of success and the success of his rival Penske in the last few years might have Chipper looking for an exit strategy.

#1211 Magoo

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:00

I can't see that happening because it doesn't make any sense. Why would Chip sell? That Target deal pays for itself, they can run 'bad' and still make money.



Right. Besides, Menard is a cheapskate. Maybe he's changed but traditionally, he'll only buy if he can steal it.

#1212 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:08

As a continuation on the Target theme, I have a hunch it underwrites the rest of Ganassi world. There's more motivation for Target to do their program in NASCAR than Indycar, because they and the other suppliers get more from it.

#1213 gm914

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:19

I doubt Chip would sell up. You don't just give up when you have the sports next big phenom waiting in the wings. Also why would Menards want that current junk pile lol?

#1214 John B

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 14:22

I doubt Chip would sell up. You don't just give up when you have the sports next big phenom waiting in the wings?


That's one of the keys IMO. Kyle Busch with the #18, Kenseth with the 20, Keselowski with Penske and his Nationwide teams have proven how a top driver can immediately raise a team's game. I suspect a big signing or development by Larson could do the same for an operation with Ganassi's resources.

#1215 Magoo

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 14:35

The team now has Hendrick engines so it's all on them. If they can't step up and run on at least the same plane as Stewart-Haas, I believe we will see some new faces upstairs.

#1216 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 14:44

I'm going to be charitable and say they should be performing at at least #51 level.

#1217 grackle

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 15:51

Jimmie Johnson has tweeted that another baby is expected in September.

#1218 V3TT3L

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 18:25

Also why would Menards want that current junk pile lol?

NOB Nascar's S.Q.T.:

> How much does a Nascar number cost ?
> You have to buy an existing number from teams ? Like a NY Cab license ?
> Can you buy a new number from Nascar ?


#1219 shotcaller

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 18:46

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#1220 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 21:27

NOB Nascar's S.Q.T.:

> How much does a Nascar number cost ?
> You have to buy an existing number from teams ? Like a NY Cab license ?
> Can you buy a new number from Nascar ?

>It's the price of an entry fee in the series.
>Nope.
>Nope.

NASCAR controls the numbers. They assign the numbers to teams. There are informal agreements among teams.

Joonya's evil stepmother refused to let num take the 8 to Hendrick, that's why he's #88. Majorly screwed him over out of spite. He has written an autobiography called "Driver 8."

#1221 Jim Thurman

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 22:10

Come on now. Give me a little more credit than that. I know about the format. My post was more about being a tad surprised they actually decided to do it. I figured they would try to treat it as much like a normal race as possible just because its already a good sized headache for the teams to make a dirt truck as is.

Well, ok nosaj :) Apologies too. I just have a habit of messin' with some here who are new(ish) to racing and started at the top without any short track knowledge or experience. Yeah, OLB, I'm lookin' at you :D All meant in the good fun, tweak each other spirit here.

#1222 Yhamm

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 22:34

sorry if I missed something, there is no thread for this week end?

#1223 gm914

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 22:36

sorry if I missed something, there is no thread for this week end?

We got one http://forums.autosp...howtopic=184279

#1224 Yhamm

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 22:38

We got one http://forums.autosp...howtopic=184279

thank you
can't say "NRA 500" really catches the eye, even less when I have no idea how the race is called

#1225 Risil

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 22:41

thank you
can't say "NRA 500" really catches the eye, even less when I have no idea how the race is called


Don't even start

Edited by Risil, 12 April 2013 - 22:41.


#1226 V3TT3L

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 23:14

>It's the price of an entry fee in the series.
>Nope.
>Nope.

NASCAR controls the numbers. They assign the numbers to teams. There are informal agreements among teams.

OK, thanks :up:

So the legendary Cup #3 from Dale Sr. doesn't bellong to Hendricks.

#1227 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 23:16

You mean Childress. But they get to decide if it's used again, NASCAR isn't going to force them to give it up.

#1228 Deluxx

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 23:23

thank you
can't say "NRA 500" really catches the eye, even less when I have no idea how the race is called

Well there was another name but......yeah

#1229 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 23:31

We need at least NASCAR in the title though.

#1230 Red17

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 23:31

thank you
can't say "NRA 500" really catches the eye, even less when I have no idea how the race is called

I believe there is actually a 499 race on the shedule (maybe an STP race?)
Racing and numbers usually gets into this kind of situations. Anyone remembers the famous 111 Honda?

#1231 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 23:53

What's a 111 Honda?

I think you mean the Aaron's 499 which was at Talladega.

#1232 Red17

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 00:03

What's a 111 Honda?

Ah well. It has been some time. Long story short:
For many years Honda entered a bike numbered 111 in motorcycle endurance (which, from memory, or at least in all races I saw) usually broke down half distance. It was understood that the 111 was just a PR stunt given that the 1 seemed perpetual at Suzuki. However, there was always a clueless reporter asking "Why 111?"

#1233 Myrvold

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 00:11

Well, Aaron Slight used the number 111 in a couple of years in Superbike if I'm not too wrong!

Edited by Myrvold, 13 April 2013 - 00:13.


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 00:11

Double!

Edited by Myrvold, 13 April 2013 - 00:13.


#1235 Pikachu Racing

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 01:03

How can anyone navigate through NASCAR site? It's a giant mess

#1236 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 02:55

How can anyone navigate through NASCAR site? It's a giant mess

We all avoid it at all costs. We use jayski instead.

#1237 V3TT3L

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 16:28

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Why Hinch doesn't get a restraining order :confused:

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#1238 Dilla

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 20:08

No fine for BK for his rant.


#1239 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 20:40

Now that is news.

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#1240 pingu666

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 21:20



this rant?

he looks abit horselike part way through ...

#1241 Deluxx

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 21:37

I think because he didn't mention specific names, regulators, or a group of specific people, there wasn't much to fine.

#1242 gm914

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 21:57



this rant?

he looks abit horselike part way through ...


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#1243 Deluxx

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 01:55

What's BK's favorite government program?

neigh-sa

#1244 nosaj100

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 23:38

From Jayski (source) :

UPDATE 2: If garage gossip is to be believed, somebody dropped a dime on NASCAR champion Brad Keselowski and his Penske Racing team at Texas Motor Speedway. The story blowing like wildfire Monday through NASCAR goes like this: Keselowski was parked at Texas next to Jimmie Johnson, while teammate Joey Logano was further down the garage parked next to Jeff Gordon. The assigned spots gave Hendrick Motorsports crews crystal clear views of the Penske cars all weekend As the story goes, there may have been eavesdropping on team chatter over the scanner during practice runs. Did someone from Hendrick ask NASCAR to take a closer look at the Penske cars? On race day, NASCAR inspectors were indeed sniffing around looking for an infraction. What they found in the rear-end housings on the #2 and #22 Fords were confiscated - Logano barely made the start of the race - though NASCAR vice president of competition Robin Pemberton curiously avoided a very important word in explaining the problem with the Penske cars. Pemberton never said the cars were illegal.
When the dust settles, crew chiefs Paul Wolfe and Todd Gordon will likely be sidelined for several weeks while Keselowski and Logano are stripped of critical points in the standings. Remember, it will be for something that hasn't been deemed illegal, at least not yet. It's more likely this is a case of something in development that the Penske crew was trying and NASCAR decided was too close to the edge. And there's the rub in all of this. NASCAR gets to decide when a team has crept too close to a non-existent line in the rule book.
Should the Penske organization get hit with stiff penalties this week, then NASCAR needs to answer the what, why and how to help everyone understand exactly what is and isn't "in the spirit of the rule."(Associated Press)(4-16-2013)



That sounds like a storyline from NASCAR's new telenovela.

#1245 V3TT3L

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 23:47

From Jayski (source) :

That sounds like a storyline from NASCAR's new telenovela.

Maybe JJ saw something here.



#1246 Dilla

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 00:58

Payback for this?

http://aol.sportingn...s-penske-racing

#1247 Deluxx

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:42

Thats not really fair. How close is too close?

I guess they don't want another TRex but.......thats just silly. You cant penalize someone just because they -almost- broke the rules.

Well, I guess they can rofl.

#1248 Dilla

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 04:09

The great-grandson of NASCAR founder Bill France Sr., Ben Kennedy to debut at Bristol for Turner Scott Motorsports. Also will run Iowa and Homestead.

http://www.nascar.co...-in-nascar.html

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 07:56

Thats not really fair. How close is too close?

I guess they don't want another TRex but.......thats just silly. You cant penalize someone just because they -almost- broke the rules.

Well, I guess they can rofl.


Oh please, Nascar doing these things for a long time. I remember that about 10 years ago Rusty's team ("2" team) have found something new on the engine side (new material for a major component). It was in the grey area so Nascar decided to put it on a shelf and showed to the whole pitlane. And they used to do that for years. Same with the DSQ of Gordon in the 2000 Richmond fall race for a lightweight intake manifold which they used since May. Only Nascar has the rulebook, no one seen it.

#1250 John B

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 14:28

Guess they decided not to drop the traditional Tuesday penalty hammer on the day the team was being honored by the prez......

Edited by John B, 17 April 2013 - 14:29.