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#1251 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 17:56

Long story short, NASCAR just hit Penske Racing with a baseball bat.

I reckon they waited until today to announce so Keselowski didn't yell at the President.

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#1252 pingu666

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 18:08

anyone remmber what jgr got for the engine sump/oil pan thing last year?

#1253 Deluxx

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 18:22

Oh gosh imagine if Brad cut a promo on the President about his car

#1254 SR388

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 19:19

I am just glad BK had the good grace and class to meet the president.

#1255 Atreiu

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 19:24

What did they do wrong again??

#1256 Red17

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 19:59

I can see a lot of people taking the conspiracy version simply because it's less complicated.

#1257 V3TT3L

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 20:08

:eek: Nascar vs Penske :eek:
Why didn't Nascar announce it on Tuesday, while Penske and BK were at the White House ?

Ze Punishment :evil:

http://www.nascar.co...vers-truex.html

As a result of this violation and as it pertains to the No. 2 car the following penalties have been assessed:

• Crew chief Paul Wolfe has been fined $100,000 and suspended from NASCAR until the completion of the next six NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship points events (including the non-points Sprint All-Star Race) and placed on probation until Dec. 31.
• Car chief Jerry Kelley, team engineer Brian Wilson and team manager Travis Geisler (serves as team manager for both the No. 2 and No. 22 cars) have been suspended from NASCAR until the completion of the next six NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship points events (including the non-points Sprint All-Star Race) and placed on probation until Dec. 31.
• The loss of 25 championship driver (Brad Keselowski) and 25 championship owner (Roger Penske) points.

As it pertains to the No. 22 car the following penalties have been assessed:

• Crew chief Todd Gordon has been fined $100,000 and suspended from NASCAR until the completion of the next six NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship points events (including the non-points Sprint All-Star Race) and placed on probation until Dec. 31.
• Car chief Raymond Fox and team engineer Samuel Stanley have been suspended from NASCAR until the completion of the next six NASCAR Sprint Cup Series championship points events (including the non-points Sprint All-Star Race) and placed on probation until Dec. 31.
• The loss of 25 championship driver (Joey Logano) and 25 championship owner (Walt Czarnecki) points.

Edited by V3TT3L, 17 April 2013 - 20:27.


#1258 V3TT3L

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 20:22

http://www.nascar.co...m-incident.html

As a result of this violation (Section 12-1: actions detrimental to stock car racing. Altercation with another competitor on the race track during a caution period), Hornaday Jr. has been fined $25,000, docked 25 championship driver points and placed on NASCAR probation until June 12.

Edited by V3TT3L, 17 April 2013 - 20:24.


#1259 nosaj100

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 20:54

It's easier to ask who wasn't suspended from Penske than it is to ask who was. Geez.

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#1260 Deluxx

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 21:48

Wow. Nascar laying the law down. I like it.

#1261 John B

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 22:16

Wow indeed. Plenty of early employee vacation time at Penske. The 25 points could prove significant for Logano making the Chase, as they look to be one of the borderline teams. It's a good thing both salvaged top-10s last weekend. Looks to be something pretty egregious, or past violations/warnings went unheeded?

#1262 Watkins74

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 22:29

Since they went to the new points system the #2/#22 penalties are pretty typical penalties are they not?

#1263 Red17

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 22:42

Since they went to the new points system the #2/#22 penalties are pretty typical penalties are they not?

You mean Nascar still thinks KuBu drives for Penske? That might explain the Brad Conspiracy.

#1264 gm914

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 22:43

I'm hoping Kyle shows Ron what happens when you screw with his rookies in his truck, resulting in DNF's for both at Kansas. :lol:

Penske? Well, rules are rules I guess. Pretty harsh justice though. I mean it's not like anybody pissed on anyone's boots.

Watch for Brad to:
a) start spilling the beans on some stuff he's undoubtedly "kept to myself until now", and
b) get that face tattoo.

#1265 Deluxx

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 00:51

ohhh nowww you like kyle; when you need some dirty work done :p

#1266 Myrvold

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:33

No idea how NASCAR usually have penalized stuff. I just find it weird that staff are being put on a year probation, and suspended for 6 races, while KyBu got... well, a weekend for him slamming Hornaday Jr in the wall.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:49

http://www.nascar.co...m-incident.html

As a result of this violation (Section 12-1: actions detrimental to stock car racing. Altercation with another competitor on the race track during a caution period), Hornaday Jr. has been fined $25,000, docked 25 championship driver points and placed on NASCAR probation until June 12.

That's pretty good. Shoulda been suspended but 25 points is pretty big. Fine also should have been bigger but I don't know what they make in Trucks.

#1268 Dilla

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:21

No idea how NASCAR usually have penalized stuff. I just find it weird that staff are being put on a year probation, and suspended for 6 races, while KyBu got... well, a weekend for him slamming Hornaday Jr in the wall.

Getting caught screwing around with the car has always been bigger than retaliation since I've watched NASCAR.

Sorry gm, but it looks like the 30 Turner truck will be parked this week.

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#1269 Deluxx

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:23

Not to mention this isn't really one of those grey area cases, it says it plainly in the rules; it would seem.

#1270 Dilla

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:32

Everyone suspended will be still in Kansas since NASCAR has accepted Penske's request for the penalties to be deferred pending appeal.

#1271 Myrvold

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:55

That's pretty good. Shoulda been suspended but 25 points is pretty big. Fine also should have been bigger but I don't know what they make in Trucks.


If he should've been suspended, then KyBU got easy off.

#1272 John B

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 13:37

Only difference I can see in Hornaday/Busch situations/punishment is past history - Kyle has obviously had his moments in addition to causing that wreck. I just wish they would finally clamp down on dangerous driving especially after Hamlin, Annette injuries, and the Daytona Nationwide finish - not that these were all intentional, but there needs to be a wake-up call with the sense of security the recent cars have given drivers.

#1273 Myrvold

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 14:03

Only difference I can see in Hornaday/Busch situations/punishment is past history - Kyle has obviously had his moments in addition to causing that wreck. I just wish they would finally clamp down on dangerous driving especially after Hamlin, Annette injuries, and the Daytona Nationwide finish - not that these were all intentional, but there needs to be a wake-up call with the sense of security the recent cars have given drivers.


And the way it was done, one was dumping, one was... "I'm driving you into the wall as hard as I can".
But ye, I agree. I think NASCAR & the drivers feel they are too safe. I saw a quote from Kyle Larson after Daytona. That he was safe, every safety-thing worked as it should, and he wasn't afraid at all.

#1274 Deluxx

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 14:07

And the way it was done, one was dumping, one was... "I'm driving you into the wall as hard as I can".
But ye, I agree. I think NASCAR & the drivers feel they are too safe. I saw a quote from Kyle Larson after Daytona. That he was safe, every safety-thing worked as it should, and he wasn't afraid at all.


I'm pretty sure they paid him a lot of money for his medical bills and injury and gave him a paper to tell the media, haha

#1275 pingu666

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 23:07

jgr had something with engine sumps at michigan i think, same not pre oproved parts thing...

#1276 Deluxx

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:24

I can't wait to hear everyone talking to everyone involved asking the same questions 12 times!

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#1277 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 22:45

We all knew Valentino Rossi is testing Kyle Busch's car tomorrow, right?

I assume it's a Monster tie in so maybe the Nationwide car?

#1278 Dilla

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 22:54

. . .

I did not know that. Seriously?

I'm thinking Monster tie-in as well.

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#1279 Deluxx

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:12

Surprisingly didnt hear -that- much about the 2&22. Or not as much as i expected. Bravo fox.

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#1280 Dilla

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 07:42

Dodge heading back to NASCAR soon? Ray Alexander, on hand for the LX-centric Spring Festival 8, reported that Ralph Gilles told him that NASCAR funding has been approved, and that Chrysler is talking to teams. While no details can be provided, because of the sensitivity of the negotiations, this is the first time a Chrysler official has confirmed that the company is working on a NASCAR re-entry. Last month, Mr. Gilles told Allpar in New York, in answer to a question about NASCAR, "Oh my God, I can't talk about that right now. No comment on that." Chrysler's return to NASCAR presumably remains contingent on being able to sign up competitive drivers and support crew (e.g. car and engine builders).(allpar.com)(4-22-2013)

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#1281 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:27

Why did they leave for just a year then?

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 14:11

Why did they leave for just a year then?

Penske went to Ford... no good BIG teams left...they need a BIG program to be relevant and win... Only small nobody teams would talk to them last year... So they left , all the while saying they would be back under the right circumstances.


#1283 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 14:16

I can only think that will be Childress, because who else would be an improvement on what would have been their 2013 options?

#1284 Deluxx

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 14:32

I can't imagine penske going back

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 16:42

Ganassi/Childress have a motor program... Dodge needs that... but whoever they sucker into using their stuff will fail to match the Toyota cash... Hendrick is the only one who can match them for now but... Gibbs is growing like gang busters! and TRD is building all the motors... Good luck Dodge... too bad.. they have the best looking GEN 6 car!

#1286 Red17

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 20:19

Why did they leave for just a year then?

I think Dodge realised their aproach was doomed his year, I mean, Penske was doing all the work right?
We may question tho why Dodge didn't step in to takeover the engine program when very early on it was uncertain if Penske would build it's own engines this year, I mean, considering that Dodge was serious about their departure being short.


#1287 Dilla

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 20:19

Comments were taken out of context, apparently.

False alarm.

#1288 John B

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 20:38

Childress-Dodge rumors surfaced briefly during the off-season. FWIW their related Furniture Row team was rumored as a potential Dodge switch last year before they pulled the plug. Kurt Busch is at Furniture Row now after reportedly being considered for Childress, is he in line to replace Harvick or is that Dillon, or could they run 4 cars? If having a name driver and team would be a key enticement for Dodge, Kurt/RCR might be an appealing combo.

#1289 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 20:42

I can see Childress having Kurt stay in the 78(it's a Childress car and engine) Menard in the 27, Burton in the 31, and Dillon in the 29(or renamed back to the 3) with enough smaller sponsors to fund the season.

That's an engine shop and 4 funded cars. Including a former champion, a newcomer, and potentially the return of #3

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 21:21

http://www.nascar.co...ing-format.html

Sonoma, Watkins Glen to use new format, starting this season

#1291 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 21:33

Dumb.

#1292 SR388

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 22:08

http://www.nascar.co...ing-format.html

Sonoma, Watkins Glen to use new format, starting this season


Seems alright.

#1293 Deluxx

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 22:12

So... is this a cost saving measure? Trying to save time? Or do they just want people to crash into other people for tv ratings?

Meh.

#1294 Red17

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 22:17

Speaking of road course formating, Kurt will be sampling a V8 in Austin.

#1295 Dilla

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 22:29

^And James Courtney and Fabian Coulthard will be running his car.

#1296 nosaj100

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 23:33

Jayski has updated the Dodge story detailing how it was taken out of context. Their comments go along with what I had heard for the reason for their departure. They had money, but their investment into the sport wasn't as much as what some other manufacturers pay. Time came to re-up with Penske. He wanted a long term deal. Dodge wanted to only do short term deals. While Dodge kept messing around in the negotiations, Ford got word of Penske's requests and gave him his terms. For some reason, a few people at Dodge were shocked Penske left. I guess they thought he had no where to go? Who knows. Since Penske did the large majority of the work (engines, chassis design, etc), Dodge was now up the creek without a paddle. They spent all of last year trying to lure in a team that could do what Penske did but since their investment was low to begin with, no large team would leave. All that was interested were smaller teams (Petty, Furniture Row) hoping that Dodge would up their investment and pay them to do the engine and chassis work. Since they didn't want to invest more cash right now and no big team took their deal, Dodge packed up and left, leaving that pretty Gen6 car to go to waste.

#1297 V3TT3L

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 00:06

Since they went to the new points system the #2/#22 penalties are pretty typical penalties are they not?

DM Reply: It's Vettel.

Sorry, just saw it.

#1298 Pikachu Racing

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:05

Isn't it typical for NASCAR to "borrow" another series idea and make it their own milking to its no use

#1299 Dilla

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:29

^NASCAR has been doing road course qualifying in Nationwide for a while now.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:19

Speaking of road course formating, Kurt will be sampling a V8 in Austin.



It will be interesting to see how a V8Supercar compares with a NASCAR.