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#1 showtime

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 13:05

@A_MendezA: Test de Fórmula 1 del 5 al 8 de febrero en Jerez, y del 19 al 22 de febrero/28 de febrero al 4 de marzo en Barcelona

I know it's a bit early but since the dates are out...

5/02 to 8/02 - Circuito de Jerez
19/02 to 22/02 - Circuit de Catalunya *
28/03 to 03/03 - Circuit de Catalunya *

*tickets on sale from January 2013

Edited by showtime, 20 November 2012 - 14:09.


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#2 f203ga

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:22

I've been to a winter test for the past few years in Barcelona but would like a change so am thinking of going to Jerez for 2013. The problem is I can find very little info about the level of access Jerez offers; I've seen online that apparently the circuit offer a general grandstand ticket and a VIP ticket (the latter of which was €20 a day in 2011) but what does VIP get you that grandstand doesn't?

Any advice or info would be much appreciated.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:16

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:48

I've been to a winter test for the past few years in Barcelona but would like a change so am thinking of going to Jerez for 2013. The problem is I can find very little info about the level of access Jerez offers; I've seen online that apparently the circuit offer a general grandstand ticket and a VIP ticket (the latter of which was €20 a day in 2011) but what does VIP get you that grandstand doesn't?

Any advice or info would be much appreciated.


Went to Jerez in 09 (both preseason & post season rookie) & in 2010. Think it was introduced in 2010 but the "VIP" ticket gets you access to pretty much all the circuit, a normal one gets you only around the end of the circuit, from around "Angel Nieto" to the grandstand around "Enzo Ferrari". It is probably worth the extra money for the VIP. Rain is pretty common and with the standard ticket cover is very limited and it can get pretty rammed around that section too.

I'd recommend going to Jerez, its got some good viewing spots (Inside of the 1st few corners in particular, although we got kicked out of there when some people started standing in one of the escape roads) and its nice to just watch the cars without worrying who's doing what. However don't expect much in terms of facilities, food is plentiful but basic whereas toilets are not! Also, there is usually a few idiots who boo/jeer when Hamilton comes past which is fine but i've heard several "Negro" something, something shouted. I don't think thats a compliment.




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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:57

Rain can be bad at that time in Jerez.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 14:56

I'm hoping to get to the final test at Barcelona, will be nice to get to a pre-season test for the first time.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 18:50

Why do they go to Jerez if it's known there will be a high chance of rain?

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 18:57

Why do they go to Jerez if it's known there will be a high chance of rain?


Where in Europe is rain not expected in February?


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 19:06

Where in Europe is rain not expected in February?


Thought the whole idea was to head to places where there was a higher chance of good weather.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 19:13

Thought the whole idea was to head to places where there was a higher chance of good weather.


And you are right but there's also the economic factor. If you want to stay in Europe, southern countries are the obvious choice and amongst them Jerez is quite cheap for a F1 track. I imagine keeping the same tracks for testing could also be useful for comparison purposes.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 19:19

And let's be realistic, high chances of rain in Jerez is not what people north from the Pyrenees understand as high chances of rain.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 19:24

Where in Europe is rain not expected in February?


Here in Norway it always never rains in February. Snows quite often though. Do you think that will be a problem? :p

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 19:39

Here in Norway it always never rains in February. Snows quite often though. Do you think that will be a problem? :p


Reckon Kimi would love it.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 19:48

Thought the whole idea was to head to places where there was a higher chance of good weather.


Its hard to think where else you could test thats in europe and known as a testing circuit to the teams. I'm kind of surprised they don't just test purely at Barcelona, since thats probably more relevant than Jerez which is a little bit mickey mousey by comparison.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 19:51

Dunno where else they could go. They need to stay in Europe for the majority of the pre-season tests. The factories(headquarters, resources, sims) need to be within reach. They need more than one type of track to test on, for all the obvious reasons. They cannot go more south than that. The risk of unsuitable weather is the lowest there. I agree it is still too high, but what would be the alternative? Middle-east. Logistics problems, a time-lag(however smal) to manage, and if something goes wrong, an extra day to wait for spares. Not to speak of the extra costs. Top teams could go with that, but small budget teams cannot manage it, wich leads to further friction.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 20:35

All true.

On another note I think they should be allowed to test with 2 cars. With such a limited test schedule these days I can't see the point of only using one car. In the scheme of things the cost savings will be minimal.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 21:10

All true.

On another note I think they should be allowed to test with 2 cars. With such a limited test schedule these days I can't see the point of only using one car. In the scheme of things the cost savings will be minimal.


That I still cannot understand, for some years now. I mean the 1 car/test rule. Which dumbass came up with the idea I cannot fathom really, when there is a test restriction, they only have the pre-season tests to work at, and not even a spare car is allowed, let alone 2 cars to run. So dumb it hurts. Not to speak of the drivers, who get half the milage they should. A rookie goes into the season with half the mileage he should in all fairness.


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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:28

Went to Jerez the last two years, and didn't have a drop of rain... so it's not a given and still a decent choice for the teams. Don't think I'll be going this year (it cost me a lot last year and I'd rather save the money this time) but had great fun the last two years.

I didn't hear any 'negro' stuff for Lewis, but in 2011 I was sat near a guy that made rude gestures every time Michael Schumacher came past (this was down at Dry Sac, so he could've been referencing 1997), with kids sat near by... it was a bit intense just for testing! The Alonso fans make for a great atmosphere though, and Fernando always waves for them on his reconnaissance laps.

Like olliek mentions though, the facilities aren't exactly great (make sure to stock up on snacks etc beforehand) and the only way back to town is by taxi (if you're not driving yourself) which aren't always reliable (last time when I was in the paddock with Caterham, I was waiting nearly an hour for a taxi which I had to ring for 3 times!) and can cost a bit unless you find a driver who is a willing negotiator and stick with him for the rest of the week.

The VIP tickets only got you pit straight access last year, and the circuit didn't open up the whole perimeter like they did the year before, so you were confined to the chicane section. Luckily because I'd wangled an afternoon's paddock access from Caterham I got some other views, but the other days it was the pits and the back section.

Edited by DanardiF1, 17 December 2012 - 01:28.


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Posted 17 December 2012 - 18:13

That I still cannot understand, for some years now. I mean the 1 car/test rule. Which dumbass came up with the idea I cannot fathom really, when there is a test restriction, they only have the pre-season tests to work at, and not even a spare car is allowed, let alone 2 cars to run. So dumb it hurts. Not to speak of the drivers, who get half the milage they should. A rookie goes into the season with half the mileage he should in all fairness.


Think the rule actually came in when there was unlimited testing. Didn't like it then and it makes even less sense now.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:11

Went to Jerez in 09 (both preseason & post season rookie) & in 2010. Think it was introduced in 2010 but the "VIP" ticket gets you access to pretty much all the circuit, a normal one gets you only around the end of the circuit, from around "Angel Nieto" to the grandstand around "Enzo Ferrari". It is probably worth the extra money for the VIP. Rain is pretty common and with the standard ticket cover is very limited and it can get pretty rammed around that section too.

I'd recommend going to Jerez, its got some good viewing spots (Inside of the 1st few corners in particular, although we got kicked out of there when some people started standing in one of the escape roads) and its nice to just watch the cars without worrying who's doing what. However don't expect much in terms of facilities, food is plentiful but basic whereas toilets are not! Also, there is usually a few idiots who boo/jeer when Hamilton comes past which is fine but i've heard several "Negro" something, something shouted. I don't think thats a compliment.


Thanks for the advice, I was all set to book flights etc until...

The VIP tickets only got you pit straight access last year, and the circuit didn't open up the whole perimeter like they did the year before, so you were confined to the chicane section.


I take it no one knows what will happen for 2013 - the circuit website just says tickets will be bookable from Jan but that is leaving it late really for flights, hotels etc. I have been finding Barcelona quite arduous with the walk to and from Montmelo every day, plus if you stay in Barcelona itself it's a 45min train journey. At least then you have things to go and see and do in the evening but last year I stayed in La Llagosta and thee was very little to do in the evening except watching the Spanish version of Million Pound Drop and not understanding a single word...

Pre-season testing really annoys me in some ways - it should be a chance for the diehard fans to get close to the sport. All the hotels around Circuit de Catalunya are either fully booked or massively overpriced because teams and sponsors book them out before the dates are released to the fans, so as I've already said there is the choice of a nearby sleepy town or a commute from the centre of Barca. The chance of seeing a driver is zero (unless they stop on track and then they get whisked away by car within a couple of minutes) and I'm sure a lot of people remember the Top Gear Nascar piece where even on race day the pit area was full of fans meeting drivers and really getting close to their sport (I watched it through gritted teeth honestly). A couple of times when I've been to Barcelona I've met people with paddock passes who aren't remotely interested in the sport but a friend or relative works for a sponsor - so they are just there for a free holiday.

I went to the test in Portimao back in 2009 and bought a five day paddock pass for (from memory) €70. Ok, it rained, a lot - but as others have said it is just as likely to rain at Jerez and Barca. However, when the final day was rained off totally I was invited into the Renault pit and spend most of the day there. During the five days I met several drivers (Alonso, Rosberg, Piquet, Kobayashi, Kovalainen, de la Rosa to name a few) and witnessed the launch of the Renault and Williams cars. That was proper access and yet because it rained they haven't been back, despite general acknoledgement saying it was a great circuit. I spend two weeks in Portimao exactly a year before and there wasn't a drop of rain and temps were in the early 20c each day - warmer than I've had at Barca since I've been going there.

With F1 disappearing from Europe there should be a rule that no circuit who hosts a race can host a test, maybe even no country who hosts a race. There are alternatives - Portimao (I'd be back in a shot if they went there), Imola, Paul Ricard, Estoril, Aragon, Mugello to name the easy ones. Also wasn't there a F1 circuit being built on one of the Spanish islands specifically for testing?


I think they should be allowed to test with 2 cars. With such a limited test schedule these days I can't see the point of only using one car. In the scheme of things the cost savings will be minimal.


I entirely agree, even if the second car was the previous season's. It could be used to give young drivers mileage and do direct tyre comparison work if the compunds are to keep changing every season.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:25

Ticket prices for Jerez test days:
Tribuna VIP 20€
Tribuna X1 10€

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:31

Think the rule actually came in when there was unlimited testing. Didn't like it then and it makes even less sense now.


I think it was part of the cost-cutting approaches at that time, which the teams agreed with and apparently still do...

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:42

It still doesn't make that much sense because say you get 500kms of testing per car per day. If you have 2 cars on the same day you're gonna do 1000kms. Even with the added cost of bringing in more staff and more car parts etc, that's going to come cheaper than booking a circuit for 2 days of testing with only 1 car for the same 1000kms.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:02

It still doesn't make that much sense because say you get 500kms of testing per car per day. If you have 2 cars on the same day you're gonna do 1000kms. Even with the added cost of bringing in more staff and more car parts etc, that's going to come cheaper than booking a circuit for 2 days of testing with only 1 car for the same 1000kms.



I didn't mean I liked it. I never did but IIRC, the main reason was to save less funded teams the associated cost overheads that goes along with fielding 2 cars during tests. I think this was why testing days were reduced as well.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:24

I love your avatar showtime!

Way off topic, I know...

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:35

It still doesn't make that much sense because say you get 500kms of testing per car per day. If you have 2 cars on the same day you're gonna do 1000kms. Even with the added cost of bringing in more staff and more car parts etc, that's going to come cheaper than booking a circuit for 2 days of testing with only 1 car for the same 1000kms.

From reports in the past I gathered that the running costs of a second car including staff, spare parts etc. are very significant.
I'm sure it's not cheaper than renting a track. Certainly not when all teams are sharing the cost of renting the track.

Edited by Timstr11, 10 January 2013 - 13:37.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 13:02

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Tickets for the Barcelona test are up for sale now. Fifteen euros for week days, 20 for weekends. Free if you have tickets for the GP or if you are under 12, as it's my case


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 13:09

Do you get access to the whole track with these tickets? Tempted to go...

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 21:29

Can i just turn up at the circuit and buy a ticket on the day? Im going to the first test at Barcelona.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 21:35

Can i just turn up at the circuit and buy a ticket on the day? Im going to the first test at Barcelona.


yes. and you can bring your own food/drinks. not all grandstands are open, but you can choose very good spots and can go nearly everywhere. like do a tour of the press centre (the autosports guys are always talking about this annyonace in the live text coverage).

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 16 January 2013 - 21:38.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 21:51

So I'm a bit confused now.

If you purchase VIP tickets do you also get access to the paddock area, pits and some of the garages? Or just the grandstands and the general admission areas?

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 22:13

12 days of testing for the 'pinnacle' of motorsport. Yay.

Will they do in season testing again?

#33 showtime

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 22:19

Will they do in season testing again?

Not permitted anymore

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 09:41

Don't know whether this is old new now but I finally got a reply from Jerez about access for the winter tests in a fortnight. It reads as follows:

The areas that are planned to be available are VIP Grandstand and X1 Grandstand. The first one is allocated in front of the pitlane and the second one is in front of the chicane, with quite a wide sightseeing.

So it sounds like, as other people said was the case in 2012, they are not opening up the whole perimeter of the circuit for public viewing, unlike Barcelona. It's a shame as I would have liked to go down to Jerez for a change but instead I'm back to Barcelona for the fourth year in a row.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:16

More about Jerez test: http://www.circuitod...ndex.php?id=200

Tribuna VIP ticket (opposite to the boxes): 20 €
General ticket (Tribuna X-1): 10 €
Parking 10 € (only for Tribuna VIP ticket holders).
Free parking with four Tribuna VIP tickets.
*Ticket selling only at the ticket windows (acceso 2) on test days.
*Free admission for kids under 12

Test schedule: from 9:00 to 17:00 CET
Teams :
Ferrari:
Mclaren: Button, Pérez, Button, Pérez
Force India:
Caterham:
Marussia:
Toro Rosso:
Reb Bull: Webber, Webber, Vetel, Vettel
Sauber: Hulkenberg, Hulkenberg, Gutiérrez, Gutiérrez
Lotus: Grosjean, Grosjean, Raikkonen, Raikkonen
Mercedes:
Williams:

Edited by showtime, 23 January 2013 - 14:18.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 18:08

Would there be any sort of shuttles or taxi to get to Circuit de Catalunya from Montmelo station, or is the 30 minute walk the most realistic option?

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 18:25

Would there be any sort of shuttles or taxi to get to Circuit de Catalunya from Montmelo station, or is the 30 minute walk the most realistic option?


no need for a shuttle (there was none in 2010) or a taxi, it is not far (less than 30 min). unless it rains torrentially or snowstorms.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 19:18

More about Jerez test: http://www.circuitod...ndex.php?id=200

Tribuna VIP ticket (opposite to the boxes): 20 €
General ticket (Tribuna X-1): 10 €
Parking 10 € (only for Tribuna VIP ticket holders).
Free parking with four Tribuna VIP tickets.
*Ticket selling only at the ticket windows (acceso 2) on test days.
*Free admission for kids under 12

Test schedule: from 9:00 to 17:00 CET
Teams :
Ferrari:
Mclaren: Button, Pérez, Button, Pérez
Force India:
Caterham:
Marussia:
Toro Rosso:
Reb Bull: Webber, Webber, Vetel, Vettel
Sauber: Hulkenberg, Hulkenberg, Gutiérrez, Gutiérrez
Lotus: Grosjean, Grosjean, Raikkonen, Raikkonen
Mercedes:
Williams:


Are these test schedule confirmed? I only knew Webber confirmed he will test on 5th and 6th Feb. Would be great if you can let us know the source of information.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 19:24

Are these test schedule confirmed? I only knew Webber confirmed he will test on 5th and 6th Feb. Would be great if you can let us know the source of information.

The source is the link in the post you quoted. :p

It's inSpanish, but that's the website of the Circuit of Jerez. Last year, they also published a similar table in their site, and it was mostly right. If I recall correctly, the only 'mistake' was a last minute change by a team.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 19:28

no need for a shuttle (there was none in 2010) or a taxi, it is not far (less than 30 min). unless it rains torrentially or snowstorms.


Ok thanks! Hoping to get to the last couple of days of the final test!

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 19:36

The source is the link in the post you quoted. :p

It's inSpanish, but that's the website of the Circuit of Jerez. Last year, they also published a similar table in their site, and it was mostly right. If I recall correctly, the only 'mistake' was a last minute change by a team.


Thanks for the clarification, I thought the link was only for the circuit ticket information :kiss:

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 19:42

Where in Europe is rain not expected in February?


Why in Estonia, for example. Snow is expected.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 17:40

Schedule for Ferrari:

Jerez: Massa, Massa, Massa, de la Rosa
Montmeló: Alonso, Alonso, Alonso, Massa
Montmeló: Massa, Alonso, Massa, Alonso

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 17:54

Jerez test line-up

Red Bull
5th & 6th Feb: Webber
7th & 8th: Vettel

Ferrari
5th, 6th & 7th: Massa
8th: de la Rosa

McLaren
5th & 7th: Button
6th & 8th: Perez

Lotus
5th & 6th: Grosjean
7th & 8th: Raikkonen

Sauber
5th & 6th: Hulkenberg
7th & 8th: Gutierrez

the rest tbc

Edited by matthewf1, 24 January 2013 - 17:57.


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 18:41

Alonso meanwhile will use that week to work on his physical condition, before he drives the Ferrari for the first three days of the Barcelona test that runs from February 19.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/105262

So Alonso isn't fit enough to test in Jerez? Quite embarrasing. He did look knackered in a few post race backstage shots last season.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 18:46

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/105262

So Alonso isn't fit enough to test in Jerez? Quite embarrasing. He did look knackered in a few post race backstage shots last season.


What?!

#47 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 21:09

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/105262

So Alonso isn't fit enough to test in Jerez? Quite embarrasing. He did look knackered in a few post race backstage shots last season.


Lol! :rotfl:

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 21:15

They may use the 2012 car and give a chance to Pedro to use it, to have a baseline and real experince with Ferrari with the old car.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 21:20

Massa will drive the new Ferrari for the first three days at Jerez, which runs from February 5-8, with de la Rosa getting his maiden run for the Italian outfit on the final day.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/105262

Not sure whether they know or are guessing.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:57

http://www.circuitod...ndex.php?id=200

Teams :
Ferrari: Massa, Massa, Massa, De la Rosa
Mclaren: Button, Pérez, Button, Pérez
Force India:
Caterham:
Marussia: Chilton, Chilton, TBA, TBA
Toro Rosso: Ricciardo, Ricciardo, Vergne, Vergne
Reb Bull: Webber, Webber, Vetel, Vettel
Sauber: Hulkenberg, Hulkenberg, Gutiérrez, Gutiérrez
Lotus: Grosjean, Grosjean, Raikkonen, Raikkonen
Mercedes: Rosberg, Hamilton, Rosberg, Hamilton
Williams: Maldonado, Maldonado, Bottas, Bottas

Edited by showtime, 31 January 2013 - 11:36.