Lewis Hamilton - Part IV
#1
Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:44
Part III is here. http://forums.autosp...howtopic=173838
No idea where Part I is anymore, but is anyone can be bothered to look, feel free to post a link.
Please remember that there are separate threads to discuss the McLaren car, Jenson Button, or the intra-team battle with Jenson. None of those topics have a place here. If there is a specific incident under discussion, start a new thread for it. If you wish to discuss something which already has its own thread, such as the practice sessions or race outcome then you should use that thread.
This thread is to discuss matters that cannot reasonably be covered elsewhere and, crucially, it should be about motorsport, this being a motorsport forum.
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#2
Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:51
#3
Posted 21 November 2012 - 13:18
Lewis Hamilton V, the emperor strikes back!
Perfect!
#4
Posted 21 November 2012 - 13:18
Out of the drivers, the one who most surprised me was Lewis Hamilton. He was a very nice guy, which is opposite of what I expected. I always got the impression that would be kind of a douche in person. But he was very cheerful. Kimi took an opposite approach with the fans. The few times we saw him in the hotel, he was rushing around, doing his best to avoid fans. My friend Aromus (silver McLaren jacket in a few of the pics for anyone wondering) brought his replica Kimi helmet, hoping to get him to sign the visor. But Kimi refused, saying that it wasn't the real thing. Romain wasn't too friendly either. Probably the result of hanging around Kimi too much. Actually most of the Lotus guys weren't too fan friendly. Jerome was nice though. Maybe because he was happy that I was the only person in the lobby to recognize him.
#5
Posted 21 November 2012 - 13:19
Someone (lucky) on Reddit met Lewis at the hotel in Austin...
Link?
#7
Posted 21 November 2012 - 13:52
#8
Posted 21 November 2012 - 14:08
#9
Posted 21 November 2012 - 14:16
#10
Posted 21 November 2012 - 14:18
#11
Posted 21 November 2012 - 14:25
I can see Merc starting off with a good car, but depsite their resources and personnel, I can see them falling behind in the development race- a bit similar to Lotus this year but perhaps not staying up there as long as they managed to.
Mercedes won't be lacking resource as Stuttgart has approved an increase in the allocation for the team's budget (should then be on par with Ferrari/McLaren/RBR).
#12
Posted 21 November 2012 - 14:28
#13
Posted 21 November 2012 - 14:29
I also expect Hamilton/Rosberg to be quite a close battle next year because I think Rosberg is a good driver plus his experience with the team will probably make it easier for them to set his car up.
Edited by bub, 21 November 2012 - 14:33.
#14
Posted 21 November 2012 - 14:48
I also expect Hamilton/Rosberg to be quite a close battle next year because I think Rosberg is a good driver plus his experience with the team will probably make it easier for them to set his car up.
That sparks thoughts about whether there will be a mini exodus of staff from Hamilton's who will join him at Merc. It's too early though. The season has yet to finish but I would expect to see some handing over their P45s!
#15
Posted 21 November 2012 - 15:10
#16
Posted 21 November 2012 - 15:21
Merc could very well produce a strong car next year, very possible. But for some reason I think the season will consist more of Lewis dragging up the car to places maybe it shouldn't be. I do hope for Lewis' sake they build a contender. But I'm thinking 2013 will be more about Lewis getting a grasp of the team, getting them on his level & everyone learning how to best work with each other. Mainly in preparation for the first proper Mercedes AMG F1 title contention season in 2014. I truly believe a Mercedes driver(Lewis) will have true shot at the WDC in 2014.
Yes. I have a feeing that everything is being geared towards 2014 when the engine regs change. Hopefully they'll produce an ok car next year though
#17
Posted 21 November 2012 - 15:49
#18
Posted 21 November 2012 - 15:52
If Mercedes can start as they did this season Lewis has a very good chance of winning next season, i believe he will.
That's two of us.
#19
Posted 21 November 2012 - 16:05
If Lewis was feeling down trodden this year with a very fast yet un reliable car, I don't know how he will keep his motivation if Merc perform next year like they have done th last 3 years.
At Mercedes he will be on a different mission which isn't to contend for the championship from race one but to build to team to become a race winning top team.
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#20
Posted 21 November 2012 - 16:08
Zanardi was right.Lewis Hamilton Part I A New Hope - http://forums.autosp...howtopic=159278
#21
Posted 21 November 2012 - 17:21
Mercedes won't be lacking resource as Stuttgart has approved an increase in the allocation for the team's budget (should then be on par with Ferrari/McLaren/RBR).
It's nowhere near on par with Ferrari/Mclaren/RBR. I don't have the link to the AMuS article, but i remember reading Mercedes' budget being increased to around 200 mil. RBR are at around 490.
#22
Posted 21 November 2012 - 18:24
lewis with guitar
Edited by northanmonkee, 21 November 2012 - 18:25.
#23
Posted 21 November 2012 - 18:41
Daimler made istr €4bn profit in 2011. It would be a nonsense to get hold of Hamilton then mire the team in the midfield with a small budget. Not to say LH will have checked this out. They are going for it now.It's nowhere near on par with Ferrari/Mclaren/RBR. I don't have the link to the AMuS article, but i remember reading Mercedes' budget being increased to around 200 mil. RBR are at around 490.
#24
Posted 21 November 2012 - 18:45
It's nowhere near on par with Ferrari/Mclaren/RBR. I don't have the link to the AMuS article, but i remember reading Mercedes' budget being increased to around 200 mil. RBR are at around 490.
seriously? USD, GBP or Euro's? No wonder they have one of the best cars and are winning everything when they have a pocket full of 490 million, bet for most of the other teams a Resource Restriction Agreement can't come soon enough
#26
Posted 21 November 2012 - 19:01
seriously? USD, GBP or Euro's? No wonder they have one of the best cars and are winning everything when they have a pocket full of 490 million, bet for most of the other teams a Resource Restriction Agreement can't come soon enough
is not tht high, i think a german publication had it at around 230 million Euros. Higher than all the teams in the article, but Mclaren and Ferrari weren't in that article i don't think
I'd imagine BR are highest spenders but not 490mill, maybe half at most
#27
Posted 21 November 2012 - 19:04
#28
Posted 21 November 2012 - 19:07
#29
Posted 21 November 2012 - 19:08
is not tht high, i think a german publication had it at around 230 million Euros. Higher than all the teams in the article, but Mclaren and Ferrari weren't in that article i don't think
I'd imagine BR are highest spenders but not 490mill, maybe half at most
It's that high. RedBull only report on some of their spending. (only what is required to report on in the RRA).
#30
Posted 21 November 2012 - 19:15
seriously? USD, GBP or Euro's? No wonder they have one of the best cars and are winning everything when they have a pocket full of 490 million, bet for most of the other teams a Resource Restriction Agreement can't come soon enough
found it, it was in this article
Konkret soll es laut 'Bild'-Informationen um 35 Millionen Britische Pfund (umgerechnet 44 Millionen Euro) gehen, was vermutlich einer Budgeterhöhung um rund 30 Prozent entsprechen würde. Denn wie man dem Geschäftsbericht 2011 entnehmen kann, lag der Umsatz in jenem Jahr bei 114,9 Millionen Pfund (143,3 Millionen Euro). Das ist deutlich weniger als bei Red Bull (392,0 Millionen Pfund oder 489,2 Millionen Euro, wovon rund 45 Prozent auf Red Bull Racing entfallen und der Rest auf Red Bull Technology).
Roughly translated: The 44 mil Euro budget increase would bring an increase of aprox. 30%, if one is to take their 143,4 mil Euro budget in 2011 as a reference. However it pales in comparison to Red Bull's 489,2 Mil Euros, whereby 45 % belong to RB Racing and the rest to Red Bull Technology.
So it actually wouldnt even reach the 200 mil mark. And apparently Dieter Zetsche is reluctant to pump that sum in, given their sales this year. So not even that sum is to be taken for granted.
Sry for the OT, i know this is Lewis' thread, but it still plays a great role for him too.
Edited by andrewf1, 21 November 2012 - 19:18.
#31
Posted 21 November 2012 - 19:47
Yes. I have a feeing that everything is being geared towards 2014 when the engine regs change. Hopefully they'll produce an ok car next year though
I think so. I also believe Lewis is going to surprise a lot of people, especially McLaren, with how well he does in the W04. I fully expect him to win a race in 2013, maybe more(i would say probably 2 wins)but I don't think one GP is out of the question & I think he'll get quite a few podiums. Will be interesting to see how both he & the team progress throughout the season.
#32
Posted 21 November 2012 - 19:52
http://www.youtube.c...p;v=zH-llH97obI
lewis with guitar
Thanks. as a fan and a guitar player, nice vid.
#33
Posted 21 November 2012 - 19:52
http://www.youtube.c...p;v=zH-llH97obI
lewis with guitar
Thank you for that, as a guitar player i really enjoyed that.
#34
Posted 21 November 2012 - 19:56
http://www.youtube.c...p;v=zH-llH97obI
lewis with guitar
Great! He even likes Joe Bonamassa! (Plays the meanest blues.)
#35
Posted 21 November 2012 - 20:07
They should have won Monaco as wellMerc won a race this year. If they can build a car on a similar level and maintain development throughout the year then I think they'll win more than one next year.
#36
Posted 21 November 2012 - 20:13
He's really good at ithttp://www.youtube.c...p;v=zH-llH97obI
lewis with guitar
#37
Posted 21 November 2012 - 20:13
found it, it was in this article
Roughly translated: The 44 mil Euro budget increase would bring an increase of aprox. 30%, if one is to take their 143,4 mil Euro budget in 2011 as a reference. However it pales in comparison to Red Bull's 489,2 Mil Euros, whereby 45 % belong to RB Racing and the rest to Red Bull Technology.
So it actually wouldnt even reach the 200 mil mark. And apparently Dieter Zetsche is reluctant to pump that sum in, given their sales this year. So not even that sum is to be taken for granted.
Sry for the OT, i know this is Lewis' thread, but it still plays a great role for him too.
That has to be a mistake... Even Toyota/McLaren/Ferrari at their peak in 2005-2007 did not (reportedly) spend more than $450m... and now, in a tough economic environment, in an RRA-era (budget spend capped, personnel capped), RBR is spending €490m ($630m)?! That's just impossible.
The figure I've seen for RBR/Ferrari/McLaren is in the neighbourhood of €200-250m.
On another note, sad to see Lewis' race in Austin not being recognized more on Formula1.com poll... (he is tied with Alonso for "best performer"). Vettel also doesn't get the props he deserved. IMO, Alonso did great in the first lap but Massa outdrove him the rest of the way.
#38
Posted 21 November 2012 - 20:18
#39
Posted 21 November 2012 - 21:07
Seems I have been living in a dream for the last couple of years. I recall Ferrari spending 440 mil to save their championships in 2003 but thought the budgets have halved since the RRA. I. Am. Shocked.It's that high. RedBull only report on some of their spending. (only what is required to report on in the RRA).
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#40
Posted 21 November 2012 - 21:07
The figure I've seen for RBR/Ferrari/McLaren is in the neighbourhood of €200-250m.
Well, those alleged 45% which go to Red Bull Racing, the official formula 1 team, amount to 220 mil on paper. So officially it's within the range you're quoting.
Anyways, i just saw that the source of the article is 'Bild' - a german newspaper/tabloid - so it's not really to be trusted.
Off-topic over before the mods delete it
#41
Posted 21 November 2012 - 21:37
Cool **** there! He can really play. Some of the acoustic stuff he did was rather impressivehttp://www.youtube.c...p;v=zH-llH97obI
lewis with guitar
#42
Posted 21 November 2012 - 21:48
#43
Posted 21 November 2012 - 23:15
Someone (lucky) on Reddit met Lewis at the hotel in Austin...
This is the standard report from anyone who has met LH in person ....
#44
Posted 21 November 2012 - 23:17
http://www.youtube.c...p;v=zH-llH97obI
lewis with guitar
Wow ...he's better than I expect ... but then he has the hands to be good at it ....so should not be surprised.
#45
Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:18
#46
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:09
One of the best moments for me.
#47
Posted 22 November 2012 - 13:04
That was an amazing moment followed by another when he parked the car and got on top of that McLaren with his arms open....
One of the best moments for me.
#49
Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:51
That was an amazing moment followed by another when he parked the car and got on top of that McLaren with his arms open....
Yeah, hes done it a few times after race wins.
Hopefully he does it on sunday!