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#451 fatd

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:10

I don't think so, he starts right behind Vettel, a 'tactical' crash will be more helpfull :lol:


not certainly a tactical crash, but clearly he can give Vettel a hard time tomorrow, given Ferrari's great starts and him being on the clean side. But then, Webber can 'tactically' botch his start to block Massa a bit perhaps ;)

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#452 S3baman

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:10

JB needs to get a shave, he looks bloody awful

#453 lokiman

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:10

What do Ferrari have to gain by giving Massa a gearbox penalty? :well:

I still dont think many of you understand why they did it in the first place.


OF COURSE people know why they did it last time. There may also be a different reason to do it this time. Besides, you do realize most are joking, right?

#454 Longtimefan

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:11

"Another Gearbox for Massa, please!"

I don't think they'll dare do it at his home race.



#455 Les

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:11

Well if Maldonado gets a penalty then Alonso can gain a place, and if Ferrari repeat the Austin gearbox trick then they can get 2 places. Sounds crazy surely but not impossible.

#456 Lelouch

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:11

Can somebody tell me how McLaren was able to win no title this year??

Hülkenberg amazing again.

Maybe the answer will come tomorrow when one of them retires while heading for an effortless 1-2. It's amazing that this fantastic car ( especially when driven by Lewis ) won't go down the history as the 2012 champion imo. I really love it. Too bad Mclaren sorted their stuff a bit too late..

#457 robefc

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:11

What do Ferrari have to gain by giving Massa a gearbox penalty? :well:

I still dont think many of you understand why they did it in the first place.


You mean because massa effectively isn't a car in front of him anyway (because he'll let him past) so there's no advantage to bumping fred up a grid slot?

#458 igoru

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:11

Can somebody tell me how McLaren was able to win no title this year??

Hülkenberg amazing again.

No Alonso there...

#459 Longtimefan

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:12

JB needs to get a shave, he looks bloody awful

Movember.

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#460 RealRacing

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:12

Alonso s girl is a girl, Nicole is man.... :)


Still he must think she's not good enough... ;)


#461 S3baman

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:12

LOL, none of the drivers seemed to interested in doing the PC.

#462 S3baman

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:12

Movember.


Technically, for Movember you only need a mustache. The beard is pointless.

#463 Sinceref189

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:12

What do Ferrari have to gain by giving Massa a gearbox penalty? :well:

I still dont think many of you understand why they did it in the first place.

exactly 'cough cough gridslots cough cough' some people will never learn.

#464 jk

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:12

Hulkerberg and Maldonado will not pose any problem for Alonso in the race, and their racepace should be good. The championship is by no means as shut as Alonso's qualifying slip suggests, but he does need luck as was always the case.

#465 Seanspeed

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:13

You mean because massa effectively isn't a car in front of him anyway (because he'll let him past) so there's no advantage to bumping fred up a grid slot?

Right.

#466 D A

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:13

No Alonso there...


McLaren's problems this year weren't behind the wheel.

#467 TT6

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:13

What do Ferrari have to gain by giving Massa a gearbox penalty? :well:

I still dont think many of you understand why they did it in the first place.


This time me thinks Massa tries very hard to overtake Vettel in the first corner... Maybe too hard.

#468 Topsu

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:13

:up:

7 poles to Vettel's 6. These guys are on another planet in qualifying...

The difference is that Vettel always had the best car when he got a pole, Hamilton didn't.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:14

Since Button is starting alongside Hamilton, I don't think it would be as straightforward for Hamilton to win.

#470 motorhead

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:14

Alonso's girlfriend is HOT. :love: :love:


I thought she is someone´s little sister or young relative???? :cool:

#471 Dalton007

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:14

Massa will mug Vettel at the start tomorrow.

#472 Francesc

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:15

Can somebody tell me how McLaren was able to win no title this year??


Sam Michael.

#473 onewingedangel

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:15

I'm starting to wonder if Lewis is going to pull a Jenson on his Mercedes deal :lol:

#474 10e10

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:15

Maybe the answer will come tomorrow when one of them retires while heading for an effortless 1-2. It's amazing that this fantastic car ( especially when driven by Lewis ) won't go down the history as the 2012 champion imo. I really love it. Too bad Mclaren sorted their stuff a bit too late..


One funny statistic to add, they only finished with both drivers in the podium twice, in Australia and in China.

#475 fatd

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:15

The first question for Webber was how he would help his teammate tomorrow. If I were Webber I'd be gutted...

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:15

You mean because massa effectively isn't a car in front of him anyway (because he'll let him past) so there's no advantage to bumping fred up a grid slot?

Yes, just as Webber wont hold Vettel up. Nothing new here, move along

#477 SpaMaster

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:16

The difference is that Vettel always had the best car when he got a pole, Hamilton didn't.

Non-sense. Vettel had the best car this weekend, not Hamilton?

#478 motorhead

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:16

The difference is that Vettel always had the best car when he got a pole, Hamilton didn't.


Today LH had the best car without a doubt and this wasn´t the only time...or you can prove me wrong with the evidence

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:16

Massa will mug Vettel at the start tomorrow.


Don't worry. it won't happen. It'll rain and they'll start behind SC.

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#480 beute

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:16

The difference is that Vettel always had the best car when he got a pole, Hamilton didn't.


of course!
that is self-explanatory..

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:16

The difference is that Vettel always had the best car when he got a pole, Hamilton didn't.


:rolleyes: of course 1,2 suggest otherwise. Hamilton had the best car in the most occasions he got pole. Please name the races he didn't have
Button struggled mid season he was no measuring stick

#482 Longtimefan

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:17

Massa should take out Seb at the start tomorrow.


It'll give us all something to talk about until March ;)




(Note: to those without a sense of humour, this is not serious, it is a 'joke')


#483 Topsu

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:18

Non-sense. Vettel had the best car this weekend, not Hamilton?

I said Vettel always had the best car, and Lewis didn't (always have the best car). Considering Button's pace today, I think it's fair to say McLaren was the best car, but there were weekends when Hamilton was the reason behind a pole. That didn't happen with Vettel.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:18

Massa will mug Vettel at the start tomorrow.

That wouldn't bother Vettel much.

#485 beute

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:19

I said Vettel always had the best car, and Lewis didn't (always have the best car). Considering Button's pace today, I think it's fair to say McLaren was the best car, but there were weekends when Hamilton was the reason behind a pole. That didn't happen with Vettel.


whatever makes you sleep well.

#486 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:19

alonso perfect every weekend they said
alonso deserves it more than vettel because he is flawless they said



Alonso is not peaking at the right time. He just seems to be missing that little bit extra needed to push for the championship.

A wet race may be his best hope for a Vettel mistake.



Ps. On the other hand the possibility of a wet set-up may be an explanation for this qually result.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 24 November 2012 - 17:22.


#487 SamH123

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:20

Very interesting that Massa is besides Vettel on the grid, I bet he's encouraged to be aggressive at the start



#488 robefc

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:21

Right.


Short of massa taking out vettel I think ferrari and alonso would prefer to have alonso 7th (or 6th if maldo gets a penalty) and massa 10th than massa 5th and alonso 8th or 7th.

If the above is correct then it's simply a case of not thinking the advantage is sufficient versus the negative connatations for massa and the brazilian fans.

But in the last race they said they would do everything to aid alonso's championship push so...

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:21

Woo, another pole from Hamilton! Congrats, and also thumbs up to Button! That was impressive and while he looked quick and built up nicely through the sessions, it's still a bit surprising.

-Say what you want but I expected Webber to outqualify Vettel here, and he duly did. Very good job!

-A nice effort again from Massa, putting the car fifth, right behind Vettel.... Gary Andersson speculates that the two Ferrari's are divided in their set-up; slightly biased towards the wet for Alonso, "confirmed" by him locking the inner front seemingly easier than many others, which could be a sign of a softer rear.

-Maldonado can be trusted to pull off a seriously good lap in Q3 and he did today. Always on course for Q3, but that was better than expected I think.

-Hülkenberg loves the track, and so does his Force India. I'm still left wondering if there was more time in the car though?

-Ninth for Räikkönen is decent enough, him missing third free considered.

-Rosberg doing well to get to Q3.

....can't wait for the race! 8-10mms of rain expected around race-time.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:21

I genuinely feel bad for Hulkenburg. He gets to swim around in the midfield again, whilst Perez gets the plum drive.

I have never internally wished a team and driver as much ill will as I do the McLaren & Perez car in 2013.


You're reading two much into one race. Hulkenburg has always been quick round here and Perez has had a late season crashing spree (for whatever reason). That said, he has two podiums this season (in his rookie year too) and Nico has none.

Look on the bright side, Hulkenburg's luck is improving somewhat - two years ago he put a useless Williams on pole and ended up without a drive at all :p


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:21

Massa should take out Seb at the start tomorrow.


It'll give us all something to talk about until March ;)




(Note: to those without a sense of humour, this is not serious, it is a 'joke')


Joking aside it would put Alonso up to 7th, with Vettel out he'd still need to climb to get on the podium to take the title which looks like it will be a big challenge for him. Probably impossible without multiple DNFs infront of him.

This is Vettel's now.

#492 choyothe

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:21

The difference is that Vettel always had the best car when he got a pole, Hamilton didn't.


:lol: Sure he did, not like you could give 5-8 examples Seb got pole in the last 2 years without the best car. Oh wait...

The first question for Webber was how he would help his teammate tomorrow. If I were Webber I'd be gutted...


I don't think it's that bad, he understands it's the only thing that truly matters at this point so all the focus will be on that.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:21

David Croft just showing he hasnt been keeping too close an eye on the Webber v Vettel qually battle in 2012. :rolleyes:

No kidding. Croft was in full tool mode today.

Also from todays proceedings: "The pole will be between Hamilton, his teammate and Sebastian Vettel."

Was it Croft doing the post qualy interviews? Cause one more to add was (to Webber)"So, are you gonna get out of the way and let Vettel through?", "Thanks" *no other question*

#494 NotSoSilentBob

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:22

hmmm..... gearbox penalty for Webber to get Vettel on the clean side?  ;)

I'd like to be a fly on the wall if they tried to get Mark agreeing to that one. :lol:

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:23

Vettel out or not, Alonso needs a podium finish to overcome the current 13 point deficit, and I'm not seeing that possible as of right now :well:

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:23

Yes, just as Webber wont hold Vettel up. Nothing new here, move along


I'm not sure what your intervention has to do with the discussion at hand to be honest, I'm not implying there's anything wrong with massa letting alonso past so kindly move yourself along ;)

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:23

Lewis last ever pole? :)

Don't underestimate him in a Mercedes. When the tyres are sturdy enough, Lewis is a stud...

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:25

hmmm..... gearbox penalty for Webber to get Vettel on the clean side? ;)

I'd like to be a fly on the wall if they tried to get Mark agreeing to that one. :lol:

No need to do that. Vettel will be happy if Lewis, Button and Webber finish tomorrow's race in the order they started because that means he will be the triple WCs without having to complete the race.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:25

Joking aside it would put Alonso up to 7th, with Vettel out he'd still need to climb to get on the podium to take the title which looks like it will be a big challenge for him. Probably impossible without multiple DNFs infront of him.

This is Vettel's now.


I'm absolutely sure that Alonso will be on the podium if Vettel DNFs (and if Alonso has a clean race of course, doesn't take into account a freak accident). That's how it's been for long now, that's how it will be tomorrow.

hmmm..... gearbox penalty for Webber to get Vettel on the clean side? ;)

I'd like to be a fly on the wall if they tried to get Mark agreeing to that one. :lol:


And raise Alonso 7th. :rolleyes:

These gearbox-conspiracys need to stop, Vettel having Webber there is only positive for him.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:25

Vettel out or not, Alonso needs a podium finish to overcome the current 13 point deficit, and I'm not seeing that possible as of right now :well:


Even in a wet race? Chances are definitely there for Alonso.