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#1 DrF

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:15

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The FIA is committed to providing two DRS zones at as many tracks as possible next year to ensure that rule changes do not result in a reduction in overtaking.

The governing body announced at the United States Grand Prix that for next year drivers will only be able to activate DRS in practice and qualifying in the designated overtaking zones used in the race.

Although that move prompted suggestions that teams could opt for a set-up that did not make DRS effective, the FIA has moved to deter them away for that.

For 2013, it has confirmed that it will provide a second DRS zone on all circuits where it proves to be practical.

That should ensure that teams have to use wing levels and gear ratios that give a straightline speed benefit in qualifying in the DRS zones, therefore making the moveable wing a useful tool for the races.

McLaren technical director Paddy Lowe said earlier this week in a Vodafone McLaren Mercedes phone-in that the use of two zones was essential if DRS was going to continue providing good overtaking.

"We believe particularly that if [Formula 1 race director] Charlie [Whiting] arranges for two DRS zones at every circuit, which is what he has committed to doing, that this will give enough incentive to ratio the car accordingly," he explained.


Surely having two DRS zones is the same as having no DRS zone?

If car A 'passes' car B in DRS Zone 1, then car B can just pass car A in DRS zone 2 and end the lap in the lead.

You need one DRS or three. Two is pointless.

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#2 Shiroo

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:20

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Surely having two DRS zones is the same as having no DRS zone?

If car A 'passes' car B in DRS Zone 1, then car B can just pass car A in DRS zone 2 and end the lap in the lead.

You need one DRS or three. Two is pointless.

not really. after pass u usually pull away from the opponent. unless DRS zones have only few corners between them. Anyway drivers will just overtake then in DRS zone 2 and clsoe up in DRS zone 1

#3 Clatter

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:23

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Surely having two DRS zones is the same as having no DRS zone?

If car A 'passes' car B in DRS Zone 1, then car B can just pass car A in DRS zone 2 and end the lap in the lead.

You need one DRS or three. Two is pointless.


Depends on where the zones are and the length of the zones. Just because they are overtaken into DRSZ1 doesn't mean they will definitely be within 1 second for DRSZ2.

They could use DRSZ1 to get close and then overtake in DRSZ2.


#4 chrisblades85

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:35

Lets have none.

#5 Obi Offiah

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:36

Well, I think the DRS zone is in the wrong place in Brazil, it should be on the main straight.

#6 SpaMaster

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:44

Yes, let's manipulate how much DRS we need as per our liking..

#7 Skinnyguy

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:48

Actually two zones with a lesser benefit in each one due to shorter gearing could produce better racing. I mean having outbraking passes instead of drive-by. We┬┤ll see.

#8 mgs315

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 17:50

If they put one on the start/finish at Austin I'll punch someone.

#9 Disgrace

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:02

Surely having two DRS zones is the same as having no DRS zone?

If car A 'passes' car B in DRS Zone 1, then car B can just pass car A in DRS zone 2 and end the lap in the lead.

You need one DRS or three. Two is pointless.


It's not so much about the relative ability of two cars to overtake, it's about overtaking itself. One DRS zone provides a free pass once but two DRS zones provide two free passes to overtake at the press of a button which simply speeds up the process of eradicating quality overtaking from F1.

Most of the great overtaking in Austin for instance took place prior to the esses and at turn one, both outside of the DRS zone. Putting a DRS zone on the front straight would just further limit where skilled overtaking can take place.

I suppose it suits the current tyre era where tyres go off the cliff in an instant, and teams are less able to pit their cars relative to traffic as they're at the mercy of Pirelli. Strategy would be made increasingly meaningless with two free overtaking passes.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:16

It's not so much about the relative ability of two cars to overtake, it's about overtaking itself. One DRS zone provides a free pass once but two DRS zones provide two free passes to overtake at the press of a button which simply speeds up the process of eradicating quality overtaking from F1.

Most of the great overtaking in Austin for instance took place prior to the esses and at turn one, both outside of the DRS zone. Putting a DRS zone on the front straight would just further limit where skilled overtaking can take place.

I suppose it suits the current tyre era where tyres go off the cliff in an instant, and teams are less able to pit their cars relative to traffic as they're at the mercy of Pirelli. Strategy would be made increasingly meaningless with two free overtaking passes.


It's not the tyres that are to blame, the situation was no different with BS. Until they do something about the dirty air then overtaking will always be a problem.

#11 Kucki

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:24

An overtaking button used twice per lap. Is that really the long time solution. Cant the smartest people in motorsport not come up with anything better then that.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:32

An overtaking button used twice per lap. Is that really the long time solution. Cant the smartest people in motorsport not come up with anything better then that.


I never get tyred saying this: make a set of rules reproducing the aero of 2005-2010 GP2 cars. These cars had the old proportioned wings and twisty rear bodywork -these things took the blame for F1 cars not following closely- and they still could take a mid speed corner a meter behind a rival. They produced stunning racing. Always.

Add F1 suspensions, engine, transmission, brakes and drivers. Now you have really good F1. Fast, racy, and no gimmicks as some of you call them.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:35

How can they have two zones at Monaco? Hungary? Hockenheim?

It really won't work too well at Malaysia either, before and after the hairpin would just be silly. It can only work at a few of the tracks.

I don't see how car A passing in the first zone and being repassed in the second is any different to being repassed on the next lap, which doesn't happen too much now. Would happen often if they have the zone on the back and front straights at Malaysia though

#14 jeze

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:46

I think they'll have the back straight and the curvy stretch up to the 90-degree slow turn which ends sector 1 in Malaysia is what I'd say.

Australia: start/finish, after the esses down to turn 13.

Malaysia: back straight, shorter S1 straight.

Bahrain: start/finish, back straight.

To spread them out a bit.



#15 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 18:48

This sport is getting more and more retarded.

#16 F1Champion

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 19:22

Too artificial, leaves no epic defending drives, allows fast cars which are out of position (top 3 teams) an easy way back to the front of the grid during a race.

Are the FIA even looking at the DRS overtakes - they're not even exciting when you pass the car 100m before the next corner and the defending driver just doesn't bother fighting because its hopeless.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 19:28

It's not the tyres that are to blame, the situation was no different with BS. Until they do something about the dirty air then overtaking will always be a problem.


I was merely noting that two DRS zones would mean teams wouldn't need to be as concerned about pitting cars in traffic than now, which is already somewhat offset by the disparities in tyre performance during pit windows.

The "blame" is not with the tyres, it's obviously predominantly with the aero as you say. I would also add shit tracks to that list; the DRS in Abu Dhabi ironically worked so cars could get close enough to make a difficult pass at the end of the second straight instead of zero passes at all like 2010.

Edited by Disgrace, 23 November 2012 - 19:29.


#18 jee

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:13

Hope we will see some drivers working together to gain time :up:

#19 pingu666

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 21:39

i wish they would try longer zones with less slot gap.

typicaly drs pass is like early lap passing in a nascar race, its really just "meh"

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#20 Atreiu

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 22:56

They could go for 3 at Monza!

#21 ZZei

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 23:00

Theyre just trying to make RB less dominant.

#22 Kucki

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:11

They could go for 3 at Monza!


Better idea: Lets scrap the whole race, let them just Time Trial . If the goal is to cut every battle as short as possible let them drive without any opponents on the track problem solved!

Edited by Kucki, 24 November 2012 - 10:11.


#23 03011969

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:27

If they put one on the start/finish at Austin I'll punch someone.

That's an intelligent approach to dealing with situations you dislike. Do you find life as a whole quite a struggle, with few close friends and difficulty forming meaningful relationships?