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#1 Jackmancer

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:20

Well here it is, the last race of the 2012 season which has been superb so far. Let's hope we'll have another great race with a worthy champion and a nice goodbye for Schumacher.

Qualifying times here;
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Will be interesting to see what Grosjean can do - he has to prove himself worthy of a seat for next year. And of course, what can Alonso do? I think he might have wet-weather setup, which is why he was a tad slow today.

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#2 Smile17

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:48

Doesn't Vettel also have a slightly wet set-up? I think so, just to play it safe. Anyway didn't Eddie Jordan say he thinks Alonso will take it tomorrow? I doubt it, but that way people will definitely watch it. We can expect some chaos, I hope so.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:00

I think EJ was also the man to say Schumacher would be going to Mercedes in 2010, as well as Hamilton replacing him in 2013, so maybe he's on to something? :drunk:

The title looks to be all but wrapped up, but rain tomorrow could throw a spanner in the works. I'm really just hoping for a cracking race to close out a very long but very entertaining season.

#4 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:02

Alonso's only hope, especially after today, is rain and Vettel having something go drastically wrong.

#5 joshb

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:06

Doesn't Vettel also have a slightly wet set-up? I think so, just to play it safe. Anyway didn't Eddie Jordan say he thinks Alonso will take it tomorrow? I doubt it, but that way people will definitely watch it. We can expect some chaos, I hope so.


I would imagine he does, like all of them, but there was no doubt only having the 1 high pressure lap there, he would've left a bit on the table... as the gap to Webber showed

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:08

Doesn't Vettel also have a slightly wet set-up? I think so, just to play it safe. Anyway didn't Eddie Jordan say he thinks Alonso will take it tomorrow? I doubt it, but that way people will definitely watch it. We can expect some chaos, I hope so.

Marko said they took a wet race into account in their setup. It doesn't make much difference nowadays though.


#7 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:32

What's the weather forecast for race time tomorrow?

#8 Smile17

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:35

What's the weather forecast for race time tomorrow?


It doesn't matter anyway since those things are never accurate. I'm hearing 60% rain for now.

Edited by Smile17, 24 November 2012 - 18:35.


#9 Jackmancer

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:46

It doesn't matter anyway since those things are never accurate. I'm hearing 60% rain for now.


I really want rain now =/

#10 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:47

http://f1weather.com...unday-forecast/

2 schools of thought, 1 suggesting hardly any rain after 9am, and 1 suggesting frequent showers.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:48

http://f1weather.com...unday-forecast/

Weather still hard to predict with 100% certainty but looks like it could be a 2008 type affair, showers but potentially long spells between them. Could be a wet-dry race which i would love, all about being on the right tyre at the right time and the driver making the difference in tricky conditions. Touch wood thats the case!

Beaten to it!

Edited by olliek88, 24 November 2012 - 19:49.


#12 Jackmancer

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:50

http://f1weather.com...unday-forecast/

Weather still hard to predict with 100% certainty but looks like it could be a 2008 type affair, showers but potentially long spells between them. Could be a wet-dry race which i would love, all about being on the right tyre at the right time and the driver making the difference in tricky conditions. Touch wood thats the case!

Beaten to it!


I think 'wet to dry' isn't all that difficult. One guy takes the biggest risk and he may fail (track is still too wet for slicks), or he might put some good laptimes in, and then the whole field will simply change tyres.

Varying conditions have my preference :D dry with short spells of heavy rain, so some people may stay out on slicks (with huge risks/gains).


#13 superdelphinus

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:53

Way is the quali record of heiki v petrov for:

- the last 10 races
- the whole season

#14 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:05

all about being on the right tyre at the right time

In which case Alonso is screwed. When was the last time Ferrari made a brilliant strategy call WRT rain/slick tyre choices?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:06

In which case Alonso is screwed. When was the last time Ferrari made a brilliant strategy call WRT rain/slick tyre choices?

Hockenheim q3. Everyone else pitted for new inters. He kept his old ones and got pole.

Edited by SCUDmissile, 24 November 2012 - 20:07.


#16 Snic

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:31

Hockenheim q3. Everyone else pitted for new inters. He kept his old ones and got pole.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:38

Hockenheim q3. Everyone else pitted for new inters. He kept his old ones and got pole.

Pretty sure that it was the other way around. Ferrari pitted Fernando for new inters while the rest stayed out on their old sets.

#18 turssi

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:48

What's the weather forecast for race time tomorrow?


Brazilian commentators on Globo said that rain starts Sunday midday during the qualifying broadcast.

#19 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:51

My only wish is that the title isn't decided by a DNF.

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#20 prty

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:53

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Massa doesn't need anything for the race tomorrow. Max 2 litter petrol will be good enough for him. Looking forward to seeing his big balls.

:lol:

#21 tarmac

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:57

Alonso does not need one but two Red Bulls failing tomorrow

Edited by tarmac, 24 November 2012 - 20:58.


#22 JBLeon

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:03

Guys, Fernando doesn't really, really need that much to win the WDC... If he's leading, all Alonso needs is the two Mcs, and Massa or Webber in between, that's it. I know, Webber would give the position to Vettel, but everyone keeps thinking that Fernando winning is an impossibility with/without rain.

He really just needs to get to 1st and then put some pressure on finger boy and let the race come to him.

The main problem: Fernando can't even get to 3rd.

Edited by JBLeon, 24 November 2012 - 21:10.


#23 tarmac

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:07

Guys, Fernando doesn't really, really need that much... If he's leading, with the two Mcs, and Massa or Webber in between that's it. I know, Webber would give the position to Vettel, but everyone keeps thinking that it's such a far-fetched sequence of events... it really isn't.


Ferrari didnt look too good in Q1 when it was wet so he might not be leading :wave:

#24 robefc

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:08

Guys, Fernando doesn't really, really need that much... If he's leading, with the two Mcs, and Massa or Webber in between that's it. I know, Webber would give the position to Vettel, but everyone keeps thinking that it's such a far-fetched sequence of events... it really isn't.


It doesn't sound very likely though does it?

#25 JBLeon

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:12

It doesn't sound very likely though does it?


I honestly thought it didn't until I saw Vettel make a huge mistake today during qualifying.

If the race starts out chaotic, wet or not, Alonso has a very good chance.

Vettel wouldn't be able to pass the Mcs and he'd be mighty stupid to try anything on Massa.

#26 JBLeon

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:13

And I honestly think Lewis would let Alonso pass if push came to shove.

#27 JBLeon

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:15

I have a gut feeling that 99% of the WDC is going to be decided in the first 2 laps of the 2012 Brazilian GP.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:19

Will be an interesting race. I don't buy into the fact that there will be a big difference between those on 'wet setup' and 'dry setup' as Lewis for example was still quick when the track was at its wettest in Q1

#29 Jackmancer

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:22

I have a gut feeling that 99% of the WDC is going to be decided in the first 2 laps of the 2012 Brazilian GP.


What? :p
The championship is decided or not :p If Alonso slips in the shower of his hotel tonight and breaks his leg, it's already decided.

#30 robefc

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:27

I honestly thought it didn't until I saw Vettel make a huge mistake today during qualifying.

If the race starts out chaotic, wet or not, Alonso has a very good chance.

Vettel wouldn't be able to pass the Mcs and he'd be mighty stupid to try anything on Massa.


Yep but alonso still has to find his way to first somehow...

#31 robefc

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:27

Will be an interesting race. I don't buy into the fact that there will be a big difference between those on 'wet setup' and 'dry setup' as Lewis for example was still quick when the track was at its wettest in Q1


Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1

#F1 Lots of chat about wet set-up, but top drivers say same thing - it doesn't really exist, they are max downforce here anyway
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#32 Jackmancer

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:31

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#F1 Lots of chat about wet set-up, but top drivers say same thing - it doesn't really exist, they are max downforce here anyway
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Hmm, my setup in F1 (nearly identical sector times with the real thing) has low downforce :D Game got it wrong then I suppose ;p but I won over a second back in the final sector on top speed on most online competitors, losing a few tenths in the middle.

#33 Smile17

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:34

I have a gut feeling that 99% of the WDC is going to be decided in the first 2 laps of the 2012 Brazilian GP.


No, more likely at the end. Adds to the show you know :lol:

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:40

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1

#F1 Lots of chat about wet set-up, but top drivers say same thing - it doesn't really exist, they are max downforce here anyway
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How did Hulks pole lap come along then two years ago?

#35 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:42

I have a gut feeling that 99% of the WDC is going to be decided in the first 2 laps of the 2012 Brazilian GP.


Well at least the 2012 title is going to be decided in the 2012 Brazilian Grand Prix, and not the 2011 or 2013 Brazilian Grand Prix.  ;)

#36 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:43

How did Hulks pole lap come along then two years ago?


He went hell for leather even on his out lap to get as much heat as possible into the tyres, which led to more grip, which led to a quicker laptime. It wasn't purely down to setup.

#37 Jackmancer

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:54

How did Hulks pole lap come along then two years ago?


I think he was the first on slicks then - he stayed on them longer. For the rest, who eventually went to slicks, there wasn't as much time to get heat in the tyres and used to the track on them.

#38 mnmracer

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:59

Well at least the 2012 title is going to be decided in the 2012 Brazilian Grand Prix, and not the 2011 or 2013 Brazilian Grand Prix.;)

Who knows.
Maybe thinking back at 2011, Sebastian is so worried about his gearbox that he ends up taking it too easy.

Now that would be a kicker.

Edited by mnmracer, 24 November 2012 - 21:59.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 22:26

Pretty sure that it was the other way around. Ferrari pitted Fernando for new inters while the rest stayed out on their old sets.

Yes, you're right. But point still applies.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:06

Taki Inoue ‏@takiinoue
Massa doesn't need anything for the race tomorrow. Max 2 litter petrol will be good enough for him. Looking forward to seeing his big balls.

:lol:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#41 Massa_f1

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:21

And I honestly think Lewis would let Alonso pass if push came to shove.



And if Alonso won the title because of that it would be tainted. Simple as that. I don't think Lewis would do that though.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:29

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperf1

#F1 Lots of chat about wet set-up, but top drivers say same thing - it doesn't really exist, they are max downforce here anyway
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The downforce maybe but I think spring settings can make quite a difference in terms of what the front end is doing - Senna's general decrease in relative pace through quali for example

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:33

I think he was the first on slicks then - he stayed on them longer. For the rest, who eventually went to slicks, there wasn't as much time to get heat in the tyres and used to the track on them.



Yep exactly, Hulk took the risk of going on slicks earlier.

Everyone always forgets that even without his pole winning lap, his previous lap was still fast enough for pole (he set two consecutive laps good enough for pole, the latter was nearly 1 second better showing the advantage of having warmer tyres on an increasingly more grippier circuit).

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:49


Scary thought.
In just a few short hours we will be in the dreaded "off season".
You know - where they dont have a race for millenia (or at least decades, or some equally long period of time) and you have to flick back though old magazines, and have endless discussions about when teams willl reveal new cars, and what will happen in preseason testing. Some of us may resort to dusting off some old video tapes. Some of us may not visit this forum for weeks on end.
Its a sad sad time. And so soon.
So soon.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:50

Marko said they took a wet race into account in their setup. It doesn't make much difference nowadays though.

But according to Schumi, it does make a difference whether you are on wet or dry set-up.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104539

Brazilian GP: Michael Schumacher says Mercedes' wet set-up backfired

#46 goingthedistance

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:51

Looks like it's going to be a dry race.

#47 Ravenak

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:53

Looks like it's going to be a dry race.


How do you figure?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:56

Some weather reports have now been updated, and are showing a marked decrease in the threat of rain, with hourly forecasts not showing much around during the race.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:59

How did Hulks pole lap come along then two years ago?

IMO, he was just plain lucky that day. He was on a dry set up as confirmed by his engineer, McCullough to BBC Sport.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:59

"Some weather reports", interesting.

The one I have, which is usually correct and focused on the actual circuit, says it's gonna rain @ race time.