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#1 FizzyJerk

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:40

Trying saying that after a few beers...

What does the collective massive think? Penalty? Will he get off?

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#2 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:45

Pastor has two reprimands. Are those two related to driving?

#3 BigCHrome

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:45

He shouldn't.

#4 fisssssi

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:45

All signs point to penalty.

Even a reprimand will get him a penalty, I believe.

#5 Jackmancer

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:48

What did he do?

#6 OSX

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:50

What did he do?

Missed a FIA weight check during Q2.

#7 FizzyJerk

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:51

What did he do?


He was called into be weighed during quali, but didn't stop. Normally results in either a reprimand or penalty.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:52

So his two reprimands look like they are related to driving : China and Silverstone.

So if he gets the standard penalty (reprimand) he will get a 10 place drop.

Edited by Diablobb81, 24 November 2012 - 17:52.


#9 OSX

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:52

All signs point to penalty.

Even a reprimand will get him a penalty, I believe.

Yup, there's no way he's gonna get off the hook.


#10 TheWilliamzer

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:53

A weight check in the most important part of Q2... are FIA silly?

Can they weight check ALO or VET in Q3? :p

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:53

Webber didn't get a penalty, so Maldonado shouldn't either, unless they deem this as another driving reprimand, which would be a harsh view, I think.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:55

He'll probably get away with no penalty if Williams reacted appropriately after seeing that they missed the check.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 17:58

Webber didn't get a penalty, so Maldonado shouldn't either, unless they deem this as another driving reprimand, which would be a harsh view, I think.


Webber got a reprimand. If Pastor receives one more reprimand he will get a penalty.

#14 jrg19

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:00

Reprimand which will be a 10 place pen as its his 3rd.

#15 MinT

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:01

Webber got a reprimand. If Pastor receives one more reprimand he will get a penalty.


Also RB realised teh mistake and pushed the car back to get it weighed - Williams did not

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:03

One overtake less to do for Alonso? Better show.

#17 FizzyJerk

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:04

Webber didn't get a penalty, so Maldonado shouldn't either, unless they deem this as another driving reprimand, which would be a harsh view, I think.


The thing is that Webber's incident took place when Q2 had finished and Red Bull managed to wheel the car back straight away and got it weighed, while Pastor's was during Q2 and therefore wasn't able to be weighed at all? That's my understanding anyway, could be wrong, but the Sky commentators seemed to think it's a nailed on penalty anyway and didn't Di Resta get a similar penalty earlier on in the season as well?


#18 eREr

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:15

One overtake less to do for Alonso? Better show.

And it can happen Massa's gearbox has again a "problem" ;) So if penalty is given to MAL and Ferrari repeats the trick again, then Alonso would gain 2 positions.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:17

The thing is that Webber's incident took place when Q2 had finished and Red Bull managed to wheel the car back straight away and got it weighed, while Pastor's was during Q2 and therefore wasn't able to be weighed at all? That's my understanding anyway, could be wrong, but the Sky commentators seemed to think it's a nailed on penalty anyway and didn't Di Resta get a similar penalty earlier on in the season as well?

Ah. Sounds like a penalty would be fair, then.

And it can happen Massa's gearbox has again a "problem" ;) So if penalty is given to MAL and Ferrari repeats the trick again, then Alonso would gain 2 positions.

Ferrari have more to gain by letting Massa start where he is. He can move over later if they need him to. The reason for the gearbox change before wasn't to gain Alonso a position, but to move him to the other side of the grid.

Edited by Seanspeed, 24 November 2012 - 18:18.


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#20 ZuTiMa

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:44

F1 News & Views ‏@F1grid

Maldonado gets penalty. Alonso up to P7 and clean side of track

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:46

Three Reprimands = 1 Penalty

Let the tin foil paper factories run at full capacity now.

#22 george1981

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:47

From what Brundle was saying, Maldonado would be lucky to receive a grid drop, Brundle has been disqualified for the same offence previously.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:47

Webber didn't get a penalty, so Maldonado shouldn't either, unless they deem this as another driving reprimand, which would be a harsh view, I think.


Webber didn't get a penalty because RBR realised what had happened and wheeled Webber's car back to be weighed - Williams didn't make any attempt to correct the mistake.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:49

From what Brundle was saying, Maldonado would be lucky to receive a grid drop, Brundle has been disqualified for the same offence previously.

He has got the penalty

F1 News & Views ‏@F1grid

Maldonado gets penalty. Alonso up to P7 and clean side of track

#25 MrMontecarlo

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:51

He has got the penalty

F1 News & Views ‏@F1grid

Maldonado gets penalty. Alonso up to P7 and clean side of track


10 places?

#26 ZuTiMa

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:52



Maldonado given third reprimand of season and drops 10 positions on grid. Alonso up to 7th. Vettel still 4th.

#27 sheogorath

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:55

So, what's the logic behind doing a weight session in the middle of Q2 when the guy had yet to set a time ?.

I mean, other than FIA being its stupid self as usual.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 18:59

Webber didn't get a penalty, so Maldonado shouldn't either, unless they deem this as another driving reprimand, which would be a harsh view, I think.

:up:

FIA/stewards and many fans could just stop picking and targeting guys like Maldonado and Grosjean.

Pastor's last guilty manouvre was in Silverstone(I didn't agree with Hungary's) and Romain is clear(and was victim twice in Abu Dhabi, and again today) since Suzuka.

If Webber got off, just do the same for Maldonado. He seems to have improved his behaviour and no need to appeal to his past to punish him now.

edit: well, the regs says they can penalise him because of the 3 reprimands, so I can't say it's unfair. I just think some leniency could've been applied here with no damage imo, but again, it's not unfair as it's the regulation.

From what Brundle was saying, Maldonado would be lucky to receive a grid drop, Brundle has been disqualified for the same offence previously.

Wow Martin, how about giving the guy the lethal injection for such offense.

Edited by BetaVersion, 24 November 2012 - 19:03.


#29 Anderis

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:02

:up:

FIA/stewards and many fans could just stop picking and targeting guys like Maldonado and Grosjean.

Pastor's last guilty manouvre was in Silverstone(I didn't agree with Hungary's) and Romain is clear(and was victim twice in Abu Dhabi, and again today) since Suzuka.

If Webber got off, just do the same for Maldonado. He seems to have improved his behaviour and no need to appeal to his past to punish him now

Maldonado didn't get a penalty.

He got 3rd reprimand.

3 reprimand=10 place grid penalty.

#30 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:03

:up:

FIA/stewards and many fans could just stop picking and targeting guys like Maldonado and Grosjean.

Pastor's last guilty manouvre was in Silverstone(I didn't agree with Hungary's) and Romain is clear(and was victim twice in Abu Dhabi, and again today) since Suzuka.

If Webber got off, just do the same for Maldonado. He seems to have improved his behaviour and no need to appeal to his past to punish him now


You don't get it. The drivers are chosen randomly. Webber didn't get off. He got a reprimand. He may have been given a grid penalty had Red Bull not realised and taken him straight back to be weighed. Maldonado had 2 reprimands, 3 means a 10 place penalty. Whether he got the 10 places for missing it, or for the 3rd reprimand isn't relevant in this situation, but it is pretty basic stuff knowing that drivers are chosen at random, and that Webber only got a reprimand because the team took him straight to be weighed after they realised.

#31 Disgrace

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:05

A shame for Maldonado but I can't say I'm at all sympathetic after avoiding a race ban for his Monaco antics.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:12

Good that Alonso moves to clean side, but it doesn't give that much advantage like Austin.

#33 BillyWhizz

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:27

Wow Martin, how about giving the guy the lethal injection for such offense.


I think he might just be in a slightly better position to adjudicate than thou - after all he did state that the same thing had happened to him. That's fairly first hand experience if you ask me. Plus he clearly has a firmer grip on the regulations than your graciousness.

edit: well, the regs says they can penalise him because of the 3 reprimands, so I can't say it's unfair. I just think some leniency could've been applied here with no damage imo, but again, it's not unfair as it's the regulation.


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#34 Fastcake

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:33

Well those are the rules, though since a few drivers seem to be missing the weighbridge recently the FIA might want to work on their waving skills. Or scratch that, have a direct link into their radio so they can speak to them as they come in.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:49

Well those are the rules, though since a few drivers seem to be missing the weighbridge recently the FIA might want to work on their waving skills. Or scratch that, have a direct link into their radio so they can speak to them as they come in.

No no no.... thats too logical for the FIA, I don't think pastor meant to miss it on purpose... i mean Q2 was still going, who expects to be weighed in the middle of it... I'm more intrigued as to why he was being checked.

#36 Jackmancer

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:52

He's got a penalty, starting in 16th, promoting Alonso to 7th.

#37 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 19:57

No no no.... thats too logical for the FIA, I don't think pastor meant to miss it on purpose... i mean Q2 was still going, who expects to be weighed in the middle of it... I'm more intrigued as to why he was being checked.


They're allowed to choose any car at any time during any of the 3 sessions. The teams and drivers know they may be called to the weighbridge during a session. The drivers are chosen randomly.

#38 BetaVersion

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:13

I think he might just be in a slightly better position to adjudicate than thou - after all he did state that the same thing had happened to him. That's fairly first hand experience if you ask me. Plus he clearly has a firmer grip on the regulations than your graciousness.





Confucius say - Man who use edit button all the time to correct his mistakes speak much crap and does not engage brain before engaging mouth.


so, what's the problem, is Brundle your heroe commentator or what?

Yeah, I didn't know the rules but my sarcastic post towards Brundle was to how harsh he was being saying the guy would be lucky to have the rule applied to him instead of having some old rule in which he suffered. Brundle had same lack of reg knowledge as me.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:29

If the car wasn't checked then he should drop to the back of the grid not only 10 positions. The penalty should be the same as if the car was underweight.


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#40 BetaVersion

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:33

If the car wasn't checked then he should drop to the back of the grid not only 10 positions. The penalty should be the same as if the car was underweight.


see why I don't keep up much with regulations? because they have lot's of little details and etc and you would need to remember thousands of little things to give a say on things properly :(

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:41

It's stupid to call cars which are participating in a session while there is a very limited time to try and set good laps. After the session is over is the most logical time to call a randomly chosen car on return to the pits. This leaves the suspicion of an attempt to influence the results of the qualification.
But with so many stupid rules I don't mind much.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 20:52

It's stupid to call cars which are participating in a session while there is a very limited time to try and set good laps. After the session is over is the most logical time to call a randomly chosen car on return to the pits. This leaves the suspicion of an attempt to influence the results of the qualification.
But with so many stupid rules I don't mind much.


If you did it that way, you could possibly have cars setting times while underweight, then returning to the pits before the end of the session to be brought back up to weight.

#43 BillyWhizz

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:04

so, what's the problem, is Brundle your heroe commentator or what?



Not particularly. Although he's very good at his job, has great access and information, and he does know his stuff. Or put it another way - I'd place more weight on his opinion than yours, for example.

see why I don't keep up much with regulations? because they have lot's of little details and etc and you would need to remember thousands of little things to give a say on things properly :(



Kind of admitting that facts don't really get in the way of your opinions.

Perhaps you could try this approach? : don't base your arguments on non-facts simply because you'd have loads of little things to remember so as to be able to make your statement accurate.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:11

In Bernie's formula 1 he was always getting a penalty.

The fact that it removes one car from between the title contenders and puts Alonso on the clean side of the track is entirely coincidental... :lol:

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 21:59

If the car wasn't checked then he should drop to the back of the grid not only 10 positions. The penalty should be the same as if the car was underweight.


Exactly. Now we know that if a car is underweight, it's better to just ignore the weighing call. Then you only get a slight grid penalty instead of the humiliation of getting caught red handed and being disqualified.

Maybe Maldonado has qualified underweight all year. Has he been weighed in the middle of quali before? :cool:


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:11

If you did it that way, you could possibly have cars setting times while underweight, then returning to the pits before the end of the session to be brought back up to weight.

If this is the fear the FIA is feeling then they should make the whole procedure faster - stop and go, not all that hand pushing. And if I am not mistaken, before they had a man giving a clear signal to the driver. Don't know whether they have him now.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:16

In Bernie's formula 1 he was always getting a penalty.

The fact that it removes one car from between the title contenders and puts Alonso on the clean side of the track is entirely coincidental... :lol:


Yes, Bernie personally waved Maldonado to the weighing station and then sat behind him in the cockpit covering his eyes.

Two things have to happen long before a reprimand/penalty is even possible: The driver have to be selected for weighing, which is random, and the driver in question have to ignore/miss the signal.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:26

Taken all season but finally twigged - Passda Weighstation. :clap:

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:28

And it can happen Massa's gearbox has again a "problem" ;) So if penalty is given to MAL and Ferrari repeats the trick again, then Alonso would gain 2 positions.


Ferrari never claimed a problem with Massa's gearbox, the quote marks are wrong

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:39

Saw the replay and think Maldonado was a bit hard done by the light coming on so late.