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#1 Andrew Hope

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 13:51

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like this year at every race there are several instances of drivers taking their hands off the wheel to wave uselessly at another car. Senna and Perez seem like the worst offenders but you see a lot of drivers doing it during the average race weekend, and usually during the middle of a corner or breaking zone (and occasionally during the middle of a spin). Is this not a bit of a safety concern? Why does the FIA have no problem with drivers (particularly younger ones) first reaction to anything negative be to take a hand off the wheel and wave wildly at another driver? There's really no chance the other driver will see it, and even if he does, it still looks dangerous and to be honest, quite spoiled and bratty. Obviously not the only time they ever take their hands off the wheel but they usually save adjustments for straightaways.

Anyone else noticed this or am I full of shit? It seems worse this year than in previous seasons.

Edited by Andrew Hope, 25 November 2012 - 13:58.


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#2 mnmracer

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 13:52

:wave: :wave: :wave:

#3 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 13:53

I don't see it as a safety concern. Never have.

Edited by HuddersfieldTerrier1986, 25 November 2012 - 13:53.


#4 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 13:55

"I'm going for first," says John Cleland.

#5 Jackmancer

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 13:57

Do other drivers even see it? I don't think they do on their vibrating mirrors. What's the freaking point. I suppose it's also a bit of a reflex, an outage of "ufff".

I don't see a safety concern. They often take their hands to adjust brake balance as well.

#6 SpaMaster

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 13:58

Yes, I do see this often lately. It is spoiled and bratty as you say. Most often it is the one that is actually wrong and it is a sign of extended transgression.

#7 Fastcake

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:01

Well they used to take a hand off the wheel to change gears too... It's just a sign of frustration, not any different from any of us waving at an idiot in the road.

#8 Kyo

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:01

They only investigate an incident when someone bitch about it, so every time something happens that may be punished you see a driver waving, crying on the radio, etc.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:03

Petrov tells Hulkenberg he is number one...


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#10 Brandz07

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:04

meh, I'd do the same.

#11 DarthWillie

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:07

:down: it's a high pressure sport, of course now and then their are some emotions. for #$%^ sake

#12 Longtimefan

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:07

Safety concern, taking a hand off the wheel?

When drivers were men and not pampered, soft, whining, moaning, spineless, wusses. They drove one handed most of the time, to change gear. Check out something like Ayrton Senna at Monaco in 1988, but thats when drivers were brave heroes, not gutless wimps who cry at the first drop of rain :D



#13 pingu666

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:20

Petrov tells Hulkenberg he is number one...


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:clap: :clap: :clap: :rotfl:

made my day

#14 JRodrigues

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:21

This was a nice one.. http://youtu.be/lsUPaSRS39E?t=3m13s

#15 Racer3

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:23

When drivers were men and not pampered, soft, whining, moaning, spineless, wusses. They drove one handed most of the time, to change gear. Check out something like Ayrton Senna at Monaco in 1988, but thats when drivers were brave heroes, not gutless wimps who cry at the first drop of rain :D

I hate it, too, but that seems to be the Zeitgeist. BTW, same thing with today's fan generation... :lol:
I am 50 and often leave these fora with a facepalm. Only my F1 passion brings me back time and again...




#16 Spillage

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:23

I think its for the TV cameras, for the most part. I don't mind it at all, adds a bit of drama.

#17 Andrew Hope

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:26

I'm not saying it's an accident waiting to happen. I'm questioning why the world's greatest drivers' first reaction to anything going wrong with another driver is to take a hand off the wheel, sometimes during the middle of a spin, when their attention should probably be elsewhere. Say, for instance, their out-of-control car. Sometimes it looks like they're waiting for opportunities to look pissy about things.

Yeah, I know about how great Senna was that he mastered the art of shifting gears, men were men, everything was harder back then and all the rest of that shit. The thing is, he was paying attention to driving his car when he shifted gears, an act he performed hundreds of thousands of times in a calendar year. He wasn't taking a hand off the wheel to goggle and wave frantically at another driver like he'd just spotted Bertrand Gachot driving into Eau Rouge with half his pit crew being dragged along the back of his car.

Edited by Andrew Hope, 25 November 2012 - 14:31.


#18 Peter Perfect

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:32

This was a nice one.. http://youtu.be/lsUPaSRS39E?t=3m13s

:up:

And not forgetting DCs contribution...

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:45

The only person who annoys me when he does it is Perez, because he seems to be the one at fault when he does it...

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:48

The only person who annoys me when he does it is Perez, because he seems to be the one at fault when he does it...


I agree, he tends to wave his hands too easily.

Arrogance.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:49

I hate it, too, but that seems to be the Zeitgeist. BTW, same thing with today's fan generation... :lol:

Then you certainly remember Andrea de Cesaris' famous handwave with which he basically lost a race? :)

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:55

"I'm going for first," says John Cleland.

Good stuff! Murray Walker was the GOAT. In NASCAR when they interview the other driver they say "oh he was just telling me I'm number one."

Edit: I see ollie's beat me to it.

Edited by OfficeLinebacker, 25 November 2012 - 15:01.


#23 Anja

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:57

:down: it's a high pressure sport, of course now and then their are some emotions. for #$%^ sake

This. People are complaining when drivers behave like corporate robots and when they do something 'real' out of emotions, there are still voices of dissaproval. They're just human in the end and it's good to see that sometimes.

Edited by Anja, 25 November 2012 - 14:58.


#24 Disgrace

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 15:00

They even do it to the marshals sometimes.

Edited by Disgrace, 25 November 2012 - 15:01.


#25 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 15:01

This was a nice one.. http://youtu.be/lsUPaSRS39E?t=3m13s

Holy crap! Was that a "F YOU!" wave or a "whoops, sorry!" wave?

#26 Peter Perfect

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 15:03

Then you certainly remember Andrea de Cesaris' famous handwave with which he basically lost a race? :)

Zoe

Mansell in Canada springs to mind too.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 15:05

Yeah, I know about how great Senna was that he mastered the art of shifting gears, men were men, everything was harder back then and all the rest of that shit. The thing is, he was paying attention to driving his car when he shifted gears, an act he performed hundreds of thousands of times in a calendar year. He wasn't taking a hand off the wheel to goggle and wave frantically at another driver

Senna was a notorious waver as there ever was one

#28 Vesuvius

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 15:07

Alonso most likely wave most from current drivers among with Perez lately.

#29 dreamerP

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 15:50

and remind me how old most of them are? If I am not mistaken they are all around their early twenties, right? so... How many twenty-year-olds do you know who are cool and breezy in such situations?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 16:30

Since the invention of on-board cameras, you've seen drivers waving.


#31 Andrew Hope

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 18:15

and remind me how old most of them are? If I am not mistaken they are all around their early twenties, right? so... How many twenty-year-olds do you know who are cool and breezy in such situations?


How many 20-year olds are paid millions of dollars to be cool and breezy in such situations?

#32 BRG

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 20:51

Since the invention of on-board cameras, you've seen drivers waving.

Nothing new. Denny Hulme was famous for shaking his fist at photographers that he felt were too near the track. Of course, that was back in the day when they would kneel on the kerb at the apex of a corner to get a good shot!

But fist shaking and other gestures have been around for ever. And I can't imagine they will ever stop as long as drivers feel that someone has done them wrong.

#33 spacekid

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 21:30

I'm not saying it's an accident waiting to happen. I'm questioning why the world's greatest drivers' first reaction to anything going wrong with another driver is to take a hand off the wheel, sometimes during the middle of a spin, when their attention should probably be elsewhere. Say, for instance, their out-of-control car. Sometimes it looks like they're waiting for opportunities to look pissy about things.


I agree with you. I much prefer a driver concentrating on the job in hand, rather than showing off for the on board cam or just being outright petulant.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 21:51

Massa says he is on pole position