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#751 ppiskozub

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 18:31

I have to say I am enjoying this funny radio coverage a lot. Kubica is just flying and it is not surprising that his lead is not that big on the quick SS7, since with his abilities he can take so much out of corners, on quick parts you can not see so much difference betwen drivers in any racing. More difficult the better for him. Onboard video - awesome.

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#752 cravenciak

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 18:50

(5 - Kubica Robert / Baran Maciej): It was good day. In the last stage we turn with hairpin and touched a house inside, so we had to reverse.

And still 2 seconds faster than Kopecky.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 18:51

8 stage wins out of 8 for Robert, a very good day's driving.
Bring it home tomorrow for an impressive win.
GO KUBICA GO :up:

#754 cravenciak

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 19:23

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#755 anjakub

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 19:45

After the first day of the Kuwait International Rally leads Nasser Al-Attiyah and Giovanni Bernacchini (Ford Fiesta RRC).

#756 kosmic33

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 19:47

I must say, I'm really not impressed by Craig Breens's attitude. He comes across as a very bad looser. Someone has just had a reality check perhaps. :p

He's always been an arrogant little daddys boy.
He's done a lot of PR training to help cover his arrogance but its always difficult to talk anything but honestly when the adrenaline is still flowing at stage finish

And I guess the Italian drivers whom Robert competed against weren't as bad as some said they were.

Yes they were! :p

#757 weareracing

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 23:16

Eurosport coverage not half bad for a quick 30 minute slot :up:

#758 noikeee

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 01:56

Robert's onboard from SS1 http://www.fiaerc.co...llery/list/id/3


That was a cracking onboard, really fun, flowing stage.

#759 Muppetmad

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 10:58

SS 9 and 12 have been shortened due to a traffic accident last night. The start of all stages has been delayed by 8 minutes.

Edit: Kubica's clean sweep ends, 1.1 behind Kopecky on the stage. Still leads by over a minute.

Edited by Muppetmad, 23 March 2013 - 11:01.


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#760 motoman2100

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 11:44

Kubica had an off.... looks like hes out :(

Edit: He is ok, which is good news, unfortunate.... looks like this is where the experience comes into play

Edited by motoman2100, 23 March 2013 - 11:45.


#761 EightGear

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 11:49

What to say.... Not the first time he threw away a certain win.

#762 Muppetmad

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 11:49

Yeah, that's a damn shame. Robert has the speed, he just needs to develop the consistency. It'll come over time, but in the mean time it's a shame.

This is only his second major rally since his return, after all, and his exit from du Var wasn't his fault. Robert himself said he was competing to learn, not necessarily to win, and this is a lesson he'll learn from.

Edited by Muppetmad, 23 March 2013 - 11:56.


#763 weareracing

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 11:56

After losing just one secont to Kopecky in stage 9 this morning I thought great, Robert will just manage the gap.
A disappointment for sure, be interesting to find out the circumstances of his accident in stage 10.
Good beginning, great pace, but sad ending.

#764 GodHimself

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 11:59

That's what happens when you are trying to go slowly.

#765 EightGear

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:01

Apparently he hit a barrier in a right hander and broke his left rear wheel.

#766 Hezz

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:05

Kimi's way :rotfl:

Well I was expecting two things: he will be very fast but he will not finish.
Unfortunately.
Experience will come with time.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:15

Kimi's way :rotfl:


Only less spectacular :)


#768 DrProzac

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 13:19

What to say.... Not the first time he threw away a certain win.

Exactly, he should have backed off..

Sure, he is an inexperienced rally driver, he drives an unknown car on an unknown and difficult stages, with a new co pilot. But still, with a 1 minute lead it's disappointing :|
Maybe he really backed off to much and lost concentration?

I hope he will be more cautious on the gravel, because if not..

Edited by DrProzac, 23 March 2013 - 13:22.


#769 GodHimself

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 13:53

https://twitter.com/...458420155228160

Doesn't look like rear left side of the car or a right hander to me. Wonder how he managed that. :drunk:

#770 DrProzac

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 14:06

The front damage may be just the aftermath of a first impact. Or vice versa.

Anyway I think we shouldn't be too hard on Robert for crashing out. If he continues this way and won't learn on his mistakes..

Edited by DrProzac, 23 March 2013 - 14:08.


#771 noikeee

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 15:03

I'm disappointed but not shocked, not the first time he does this nor is this uncommon for drivers at the start of their rallying careers.

It's far more promising for him to be mega-quick and crash out, than if he was slow and made it to the end. I think it was quite a sensational show of tarmac pace - slight car advantage in the wet or not -, and everyone in the sport will have taken notice. If I were Citroen, struggling as they are in the WRC now with a clear lack of driving talent that can catch Ogier, I'd be keeping a very close eye on him and prepared to hand him out a WRC test as soon as/if he shows half as good as this on gravel. The WRC2 season this year will do him a lot of good too.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 15:29

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally 1m
Oh my goodness me you're a lucky boy Robert! This is a bit scary - video of Kubica's crash! http://t.co/tU8YHPmVnu

How close is that to going through the fence...

#773 Walsingham

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 16:05

Those of us old enough remember all those stories from 2006 and 2007 how Kubica is inconsistent (yeap kids inconsistent), error prone and hard on machinery. This guy came back to competitive motorsport after two years of recovery with his dominating hand still only on 80% of previous capability, with new car, new co driver and in new rally. Still he managed to dominate experienced champion.


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 16:15

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally 1m
Oh my goodness me you're a lucky boy Robert! This is a bit scary - video of Kubica's crash! http://t.co/tU8YHPmVnu

How close is that to going through the fence...

So, irony of all ironies: Kubica saved from massive crash by a barrier.....

With a 1 minute lead its nothing but a silly mistake by a vastly experienced driver.
Don't get me wrong, it was a very impressive drive while it lasted but lets not forget that he had the best car (though not by the advantage he was leading by), he had plenty of testing done (its not a new car to him), his "new" co-driver will also have sat on at these tests, and he had just as much experience of these stages as Breen who is still in 2nd. He also had a comprehensive pre-event test on the island and a recce so any advantage Kopecky would have had from rallying there before is negligible.

#775 bourbon

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 16:22

Dang. But I agree, experience comes with time, even for the experienced.

#776 Muppetmad

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 16:25

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally 1m
Oh my goodness me you're a lucky boy Robert! This is a bit scary - video of Kubica's crash! http://t.co/tU8YHPmVnu

How close is that to going through the fence...


Jeez. :eek:

#777 MaGiK

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 16:51

he had plenty of testing done (its not a new car to him), his "new" co-driver will also have sat on at these tests

Erm...if i remember correctly Robert said that before this weeks event he has done only 60 kilometers in DS3.
I wouldnt call it "plenty of testing".


#778 DrProzac

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 17:04

And some of them in bad weather conditions. Plus not having pacenotes from previous running will give more than a negligible disadvantage (unless you're an experienced driver).

I'm also not sure that the Citroen RRC is at this moment better than the Skoda (also a factory car, well developed one). Though I'd be surprised if it were noticeably slower, given what's it's based on.

#779 kosmic33

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 17:37

And some of them in bad weather conditions. Plus not having pacenotes from previous running will give more than a negligible disadvantage (unless you're an experienced driver).

I'm also not sure that the Citroen RRC is at this moment better than the Skoda (also a factory car, well developed one). Though I'd be surprised if it were noticeably slower, given what's it's based on.

Most drivers re-write their notes every time and stages generally change every year.
The Citroen is a detuned version of the car which won dominated last years world rally championship. Doesnt that speak for itself?

I'd like to see where it says Rob started the event with only 60kms driving in the DS3......

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#780 GodHimself

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 17:42

I'd like to see where it says Rob started the event with only 60kms driving in the DS3......


He said that on the ERC radio I believe. Will post a link when I find one.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 19:48

I've also heard the 60 km figure in some interview.
Anyway I think noikeee has it right.

Also:
http://www.fiaerc.co...s/detail/id/420

Most drivers re-write their notes every time and stages generally change every year.
The Citroen is a detuned version of the car which won dominated last years world rally championship. Doesnt that speak for itself?

Sure, that's why I'm saying that it must be very close! But it's not exactly same car and in Robert's case there's probably much to learn setup wise. That's why I wouldn't be so sure as you.

I know that the notes are modified, but it helps. From time to time you can hear WRC drivers commenting on that (especial when one of them has his debut on some rally).

Edited by DrProzac, 23 March 2013 - 19:54.


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 21:12

RK said he misjudged how steep it was as he was going downhill and the rear became light, in addition the DS3 is light at the rear so he felt he was starting to lose grip of rears at braking into that corner, so he lifted his foot off the brake to avoid spinning as it could end much worse. Thats it.
Learning mode on.


#783 Myrvold

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 21:15

I don't think the experience from the rallies are, extremely important anymore. Even though the rallies are different, it is not like it used to be.

I am not sure how Tour de Corse is this year, compared to the crazy years in WRC. But if it is anything close to it. Experience should play a part in a rally like that.
Other rallies that you have larger chance of benefiting from experience from the actual rally is Monaco (somewhat depending on weather, if it is a 100% dry asphalt, it won't matter too much), Sweden (more down to experience on snow) and Rally Safari.
This are the rallies I feel still keeps a somewhat more unique style, compared to others.

Oh well, at least Kubica gpt 7 points out of it!

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 14:14



#785 DrProzac

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:14

http://www.fiaerc.co...s/detail/id/426

BTW there's an onboard from the crash - you can see it on the Eurosport highlights. But they've cut it just before the impact to show the fan made video.

Edited by DrProzac, 25 March 2013 - 13:04.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 20:39

Here is something to get you in the mood before portugal:
http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

#787 MaGiK

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 20:56

WOW.
Amazing shots there.

#788 kosmic33

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 00:01

I've also heard the 60 km figure in some interview.

This weeks Motorsports News report (written by Autosports David Evans) says he has 100 miles (160kms) of testing.

But anyway, roll on Portugal!!!

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 18:12

40 miles on gravel in his Group N car . I wonder how he will cope with the loose stuff.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 18:25

roll on Portugal!!!

Possibly a poor choice of words..... ;)

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 18:27

Possibly a poor choice of words.....;)


:lol:

#792 MadYarpen

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 19:01

40 miles on gravel in his Group N car . I wonder how he will cope with the loose stuff.

thet would be his old Lancer, right?

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 20:03

40 miles on gravel in his Group N car . I wonder how he will cope with the loose stuff.

Gravel will be tougher, much tougher but he'll probably still go well

#794 EightGear

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 13:36

Livestream of the Fafe Rallysprint here: http://www.casadossegredos.tv/rtp2

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 15:03

1st special
1. Sordo 3'44"1
2. Novikov +3"5
3. Al Attiyah +5"7
4. Mikkelsen +8"7
5. Prokop +8"8
6. Moura +16"3
7. Meireles +18"8
8. Kubica +22"
9. Fontes +23"6
10. Campos +23"7

full ranking

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#796 MadYarpen

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 15:25

1 Østberg M.
Ford Fiesta RS WRC 00:03:43.3
2 Hirvonen M.
Citroën DS3 WRC 00:00:00.7
00:00:00.7
3 Mikkelsen A.
Volkswagen Polo R WRC 00:00:05.9
00:00:05.2
4 Prokop M.
Ford Fiesta RS WRC 00:00:09.3
00:00:03.4
5 Moura R.
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX 00:00:16.9
00:00:07.6
6 Kubica R.
Citroën DS3 S2000 00:00:17.7
00:00:00.8
7 Neuville T.
Ford Fiesta RS WRC 00:00:17.9
00:00:00.2
8 Meireles P.
Škoda Fabia S2000 00:00:19.7
00:00:01.8
9 Campos M.
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX 00:00:21.2
00:00:01.5
10 Lopes A.

#797 Yhamm

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 15:56

ranking SS1 + SS2

#798 cravenciak

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 16:38

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Robert :up: :up: :up:

#799 Yhamm

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 16:40

Mikkelsen with the French flag? :D
impressive Kubica, just behind the polo, too bad Ogier was ill :(

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 16:46

Mikkelsen with the French flag? :D
impressive Kubica, just behind the polo, too bad Ogier was ill :(

TBH Robert's time isn't that impressive, it's more like Mikkelsen's time is utter crap...