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#1201 skywing

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:05

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RT @redleiK: Autosport says Hyundai will confirm Juho Hänninen as its 1st driver in July and he was the man who recently tested the i20 #wrc

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#1202 EightGear

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:21

Meeke and PGA are his possible teammates.

Sardinia qualifying results:

1. Jari-Matti Latvala: 3:12.655
2. Evgeny Novikov: +0.690
3. Sebastien Ogier: +1.571
4. Mikko Hirvonen: +1.742
5. Thierry Neuville: +1.847
6. Mads Ostberg: +2.366
7. Dani Sordo: +2.741
8. Andreas Mikkelsen: +3.779
9. Martin Prokop: +4.997
10. Per-Gunnar Andersson: +6.922
11. Elfyn Evans: +10.689
12. Michal Kosciuszko: +12.380
13. Khalid Al-Qassimi: +14.817

Really hope Novikov can keep this up. :)

#1203 skywing

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:31

Meeke and PGA are his possible teammates.

Sardinia qualifying results:

1. Jari-Matti Latvala: 3:12.655
2. Evgeny Novikov: +0.690
3. Sebastien Ogier: +1.571
4. Mikko Hirvonen: +1.742
5. Thierry Neuville: +1.847
6. Mads Ostberg: +2.366
7. Dani Sordo: +2.741
8. Andreas Mikkelsen: +3.779
9. Martin Prokop: +4.997
10. Per-Gunnar Andersson: +6.922
11. Elfyn Evans: +10.689
12. Michal Kosciuszko: +12.380
13. Khalid Al-Qassimi: +14.817

Really hope Novikov can keep this up. :)

Pretty good time by Evans as well.

#1204 MadYarpen

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:06

Hirvonen rolled. What a season for Citroen...

#1205 Muppetmad

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:39

Ouch. It doesn't look like anybody is going to stop VW this season, does it?

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:33

Ouch. It doesn't look like anybody is going to stop VW this season, does it?


Dani and Mikko better wake up, because they can very well make Citroen quit WRC if they continue on the current form and results.

#1207 EightGear

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 17:19

Neuville was mighty impressive on his least favourite event of the year.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 20:48

Can we finally say that Hirvonen has been exposed and Ford was likely the better car all these years?

Edited by DemCars, 23 June 2013 - 20:48.


#1209 MadYarpen

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:06

Dunno, but I am so disappointed by him. And I just hope that Citroen won't say enough is enough, because we have a dominant driver again, and there is no chance anyone will challenge him if other manufacturers pull out.

#1210 Muppetmad

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:18

I'll give Hirvonen the benefit of the doubt here; it's the first time he's crashed out in a long time. He does need to get his act together, though, because he simply doesn't seem fast enough to challenge Ogier.

#1211 MadYarpen

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:56

Yeah, but Citroen's target wasn't "not crashing" I guess. It is kind of striking how sad he sounds in interviews recently...

#1212 Muppetmad

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:12

I can't argue with you there, I imagine Citroen were hoping for a lot more.

#1213 EightGear

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:56

They should have kept Neuville.

#1214 MadYarpen

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 18:57

Look, 1 minute gaps were quite insane...
http://eurosport.one...i,131042,w.html

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 19:03

This sucks for Citroën. Their full time-drivers are NOWHERE, and Loeb has won 2/3 rallies, which shows beyond all doubt the car is not at fault. They NEED a better driver, but who would that be? ):

#1216 Anja

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 19:50

I'm fairly sure that Citroen will pull out of WRC after 2014 or even 2013. They won't find another driver like Loeb and the Ogier + VW duo seems quite unbeatable right now.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 20:20

I'm fairly sure that Citroen will pull out of WRC after 2014 or even 2013. They won't find another driver like Loeb and the Ogier + VW duo seems quite unbeatable right now.

How about this french dude I heard of... He's currently driving a Citroen DS3 R3 and he's quite fast... I remember his last name... Chardonnet... If only I could remember his first name... umm... oh yes, Sebastien.

#1218 EightGear

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 20:46

How about this french dude I heard of... He's currently driving a Citroen DS3 R3 and he's quite fast... I remember his last name... Chardonnet... If only I could remember his first name... umm... oh yes, Sebastien.



He's not really that special. In WRC3 guys like Riedemann and Cronin are beating him with pure speed.
Then there are lots of drivers who derserve a shot: Hanninen, Abbring, Paddon, Meeke, etc.

But at the moment there is nobody who can jump in a DS3 and start winning immediately. I still have faith in Hirvonen winnig at least once this season though, and Sordo on tarmac has always been a nice combination.

#1219 EightGear

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 22:10

Excuse my double post, but again a very very nice video by Rallymedia.nl

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

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#1220 tghik

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 07:34

He's not really that special. In WRC3 guys like Riedemann and Cronin are beating him with pure speed.
Then there are lots of drivers who derserve a shot: Hanninen, Abbring, Paddon, Meeke, etc.

But at the moment there is nobody who can jump in a DS3 and start winning immediately. I still have faith in Hirvonen winnig at least once this season though, and Sordo on tarmac has always been a nice combination.


You guys are taking potential drivers from WRC3 but there is someone closer, kubica in WRC2?

#1221 EightGear

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 10:31

You guys are taking potential drivers from WRC3 but there is someone closer, kubica in WRC2?


He is in his first proper year of rallying, he's not (yet) ready to be a factory driver in WRC. The guys I meantioned have a lot more experience and are at a higher level than Kubica at the moment.

#1222 MadYarpen

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 11:06

Citroen confirmed WTCC.

F. Banzet: "With our @FIA_WTCC program we are able to reduce the @Citroen motorsport budget." #WTCC

Well, does it mean no Citroen in WRC in 2014?

Edited by MadYarpen, 25 June 2013 - 11:07.


#1223 MadYarpen

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 11:15

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing 45 s.

Y. Matton: "Thanks to our partnership with @AbuDhabiRacing1 we'll be in #WRC next year, with new targets."

So they will be like M-Sport this year I guess... Or something similar?

#1224 EightGear

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 11:18

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing 45 s.

Y. Matton: "Thanks to our partnership with @AbuDhabiRacing1 we'll be in #WRC next year, with new targets."

So they will be like M-Sport this year I guess... Or something similar?


Don't know, 'new targets' could mean anything.... As long as it doesn't mean "We'll be there for anybody who want to pay us some cash..."

Or with just Khalid Al Qassimi... :drunk:

#1225 noikeee

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 11:39

Maybe it's just the cynical side of my mind playing games, but sounds like they're planning a slow controlled death - move from factory team to paydriver customer team to quiet non-existence.

#1226 tghik

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:07

He is in his first proper year of rallying, he's not (yet) ready to be a factory driver in WRC. The guys I meantioned have a lot more experience and are at a higher level than Kubica at the moment.


experience is super important no doubt. but kubica was testing with solberg and latvala another day and from the rumour was faster. if he can be faster than those 2 especially latvala, it is not that sure that the guys from WRC3 are at higher level than kubica ?

#1227 MadYarpen

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:17

experience is super important no doubt. but kubica was testing with solberg and latvala another day and from the rumour was faster. if he can be faster than those 2 especially latvala, it is not that sure that the guys from WRC3 are at higher level than kubica ?

They were testing on a circuit.

#1228 EightGear

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 16:05

Full daily highlights from Sardegna are online now at WRC.com/video.

Edited by EightGear, 26 June 2013 - 16:06.


#1229 MadYarpen

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 17:11

with expat shield full WRC coverage highlights are on ITV player if someone is outside from UK - I recommend that:)

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 18:13

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/108294

Contrary to what he says, Mikko sounds anything, but calm regarding his future. Can you see him replaced at the end of the season? And if so, with whom. I can't see any such driver at the moment, well apart from this one of course.
And what about Dani who is arguably doing even worse this season...

Edited by GodHimself, 26 June 2013 - 18:14.


#1231 skywing

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 18:20

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/108294

Contrary to what he says, Mikko sounds anything, but calm regarding his future. Can you see him replaced at the end of the season? And if so, with whom. I can't see any such driver at the moment, well apart from this one of course.
And what about Dani who is arguably doing even worse this season...

I don't see Citroen changing both drivers. And Mikko will always have a bigger potential to challenge for the title than Sordo. Maybe they could get Neuville back?

#1232 GodHimself

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 18:27

Maybe they could get Neuville back?


If he keeps putting on strong performances like in Sardinia, then who knows.

#1233 EightGear

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 18:34

Hans Weijs jr. is entered in Rally Terre de Langres, a round of the French gravel championship with support from Yves Matton in a DS3 WRC. Rumours are he might get some outings in WRC this year.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 18:02

https://twitter.com/...2969472/photo/1

How cool is this? :love:

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 18:35

Onboard Kubica SS7
You can hear Robert laughing at the bad visibility :)

#1236 MadYarpen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:57

We have timing issues, visibility issues (which can be so easily fixed), and yet very few talk about it... Instead we hear all BS about changing the rally format. That's weird.

#1237 Muppetmad

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:43

Onboard Kubica SS7
You can hear Robert laughing at the bad visibility :)


That does look pretty brutal. You can see Robert wanted to push harder in places, but didn't have the confidence due to the dust.

#1238 MadYarpen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:52

I've seen an onboard (maybe it is the same, but I'm at work ATM), where they wen't off in a left hander because of dust, not a surprise hed wasn't confident...

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:47

I say get over it and drive to the conditions. He is used to F1 where light drizzle is often causing a SC period or even a red flag, due to "bad visibility". Yes, the conditions were ridiculously bad and yes, there should've been 2 min gaps instead of 1, but he made it through by driving slower, driving to the conditions and it's yet another rallying lesson for him. A valuable one at that.

Edited by GodHimself, 28 June 2013 - 09:47.


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#1240 MadYarpen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:10

As long as it is only the problem of the pace, then you are 100% right I guess. But remember, that there were people on the road, not expecting a car and not seeing it. I think it could have been a massive, massive **** up.

#1241 DrProzac

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 15:36

I say get over it and drive to the conditions. He is used to F1 where light drizzle is often causing a SC period or even a red flag, due to "bad visibility". Yes, the conditions were ridiculously bad and yes, there should've been 2 min gaps instead of 1, but he made it through by driving slower, driving to the conditions and it's yet another rallying lesson for him. A valuable one at that.

Heh, he did exactly that and won the rally (in WRC2 class).

But I think more drivers than Robert said that 1 minute gaps are a bad idea.

Edited by DrProzac, 28 June 2013 - 15:37.


#1242 Vepe1995

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 21:15

But I think more drivers than Robert said that 1 minute gaps are a bad idea.


Well, if the gaps between drivers were 2 minutes for all, instead of just the top guys, the schedule would be quite tight.

In Italy there were a total of 51 entries and with 2-minute gaps, the difference between the start times of the first and last drivers would be 1 hour 42 minutes.

I did some math, and here's the result of it:

Time difference between first cars on a stage run twice
Shortest: 2 hours 5 minutes
Longest: 6 hours 19 minutes
Average: 5 hours 16 minutes

Time difference between the fastest and slowest car on a special stage
Shortest: 5 minutes 46 seconds
Longest: 14 minutes 29 seconds
Average: 8 minutes 15 seconds

And here's an example...

SS2/4
Time difference between runs: 3 hours 3 minutes
Start time of the first car: 10.46/13.49
Start time of the last car: 12.28/15.31
Finish time of the first car: 10.47/14.00
Finish time of the last car: 12.45/15.48

Time difference between the last car to finish SS2 and the first car to start SS4: 1 hour 3 minutes

The most important part of this example is the last one:

That is way too short gap between runs, and it doesn't include the maximum stage time. In that 1 hour period they have to run the safety cars, followed by the zero-cars.

So in short, 2-minute gaps between cars might be good for the drivers on the stage, but it would be extremely problematic for the organisers, who would have to make the days start earlier and end later. In Sardinia Friday started with a sevice at 6.30 and ended with a service at 22.30, that's 16 hours. With two minute gaps, they'd have to either make the gaps between the runs longer, which isn't good for anyone or they'd have to shorten the rally, which also isn't good.

#1243 EightGear

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:48

So, one of the highlights of the ERC season this weekend and no one posting here? Seems like without Kubica nobody gives a sh*t.

Anyway, as expected Freddy Loix is in the lead. Breen is fighting back after a problem yesterday evening, he is now back to 3rd overall. Hayden Paddon is doing very well in P3.

Also, Kris Meeke will drive Al Qassimi's DS3 WRC in Finland!

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 12:07

So, one of the highlights of the ERC season this weekend and no one posting here? Seems like without Kubica nobody gives a sh*t.

Anyway, as expected Freddy Loix is in the lead. Breen is fighting back after a problem yesterday evening, he is now back to 3rd overall. Hayden Paddon is doing very well in P3.

Also, Kris Meeke will drive Al Qassimi's DS3 WRC in Finland!

Eurosport's coverage last night was at midnight! Tonight it is 15 mins earlier. No daytime coverage? :eek: Seems they have given up on the ERC already.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 12:28

Well,t here's MotoGP, Formula 1, WSBK this weekend. And the coverage isn't overly accessible.

Also, Kris Meeke will drive Al Qassimi's DS3 WRC in Finland!

Good.

Edited by DrProzac, 29 June 2013 - 13:14.


#1246 EightGear

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 12:41

Eurosport's coverage last night was at midnight! Tonight it is 15 mins earlier. No daytime coverage? :eek: Seems they have given up on the ERC already.


They are running 'till very late in the evening in Ypres, so that's about the only option.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:13




Selected onboards shot from Kubica's car, he really wasn't exaggerating when he was talking about visibility! (bit at 0:07: "do you see anything?" "no", "we need to go slower" says the pilot right before the end).

Edited by wingwalker, 29 June 2013 - 15:15.


#1248 skywing

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 14:01

This is still unofficial but Robert Kubica has entered Rally Finland in the DS3 WRC.

Edited by skywing, 01 July 2013 - 14:01.


#1249 thuGG

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 14:06

Mistake maybe (most probably)?

#1250 Muppetmad

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 14:14

It'd be brave, certainly - it's the fastest rally on the calendar. To have to adapt to a significantly faster car is hard enough, but to do it during Rally Finland would make it more so. Let's see if those rumours materialise.

Edited by Muppetmad, 01 July 2013 - 14:15.