Jump to content


Photo
* * * * * 10 votes

Rally 2013


  • Please log in to reply
2190 replies to this topic

#101 Myrvold

Myrvold
  • Member

  • 2,445 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:37

Only in swedish! http://www.emotorspo...;nyhets_id=7080

The same site also reports that Marcus Grönholm is going to test the Polo in Sweden, to get it ready for Rally Sweden/Norway! :)

Advertisement

#102 jcbc3

jcbc3
  • Member

  • 4,987 posts
  • Joined: November 04

Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:08

Tack så mycket.

(I'm Danish, Swedish is my second language  ;) )

#103 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 11 December 2012 - 14:31

Ketomaa? Not the first name that would've come to my mind when thinking about someone to lead a works development program... is he still connected to DMack and, if so, does that have anything to do with that (possible) choice?

Maybe Ketomaa has a very large pile of money behind him?

Either way, not exactly the kind of driver choice that would give you confidence about their competitiveness.....

#104 ArnageWRC

ArnageWRC
  • Member

  • 1,070 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 11 December 2012 - 15:06

Maybe Ketomaa has a very large pile of money behind him?

Either way, not exactly the kind of driver choice that would give you confidence about their competitiveness.....



It doesn’t fill one with confidence does it? Straight away it tells me it’s not going to be like the VW effort – that’s if these rumours are true.
Jari Ketomaa isn’t the first name that I’d have thought of. Other nationalities are available...... the sport needs to lose it’s fixation with Finns/Scandinavians....


#105 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 11 December 2012 - 15:52

It doesn’t fill one with confidence does it? Straight away it tells me it’s not going to be like the VW effort – that’s if these rumours are true.
Jari Ketomaa isn’t the first name that I’d have thought of. Other nationalities are available...... the sport needs to lose it’s fixation with Finns/Scandinavians....

Hanninen, Meeke, Andersson, Neuville, Tanak.... even Novikov & Nikara would be better choices.

Jari is 33 and in 9 attempts at his home wrc round his best finish is 7th in 2009 with 6 DNF's.....
Surely a decent Finn would at least have a good record on his home WRC round (yes I do remember him leading after ss1 last year)?

#106 Myrvold

Myrvold
  • Member

  • 2,445 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 11 December 2012 - 18:30

Well, I do believe the times when local drivers could be impressive in their home rally, is over.

#107 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 11,062 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 11 December 2012 - 22:17

This is all fun but I'm a little worried what we're witnessing here may be just the start of another domination era by a Sebastien...

It all depends on how good VW will be out of the box, but unless they're very rubbish (which they won't be after all those testing KMs) they'll soon develop and become competitive through their massive budget.

I think people are being too quick to assume that VW can just rock up with a big bag of gold and win without difficulty.

Skoda, SEAT, Hyundai, Suzuki all came and went in the WRC without troubling the record books. With VW's minimal experience of rallying, they will have a steep learning curve to climb before they even match the existing contenders. And with Latvala demolishing cars on a regular basis (he has already totalled one, I understand) they will have to run a bit faster to keep up the car supply before they even think about developing it. And Monsieur Ogier isn't averse to stuffing cars into the scenery either.

#108 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 9,259 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 11 December 2012 - 22:29

None of those manufacturers came into the WRC attracting top drivers and looking as much like a serious operation as this is.

VW don't have a minimal experience of rallying if you consider what Skoda attained over the last few years - their WRC car was rubbish but they eventually turned out pretty damn good with the S2000 lately.

#109 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 11 December 2012 - 22:38

I think people are being too quick to assume that VW can just rock up with a big bag of gold and win without difficulty.

Skoda, SEAT, Hyundai, Suzuki all came and went in the WRC without troubling the record books. With VW's minimal experience of rallying, they will have a steep learning curve to climb before they even match the existing contenders. And with Latvala demolishing cars on a regular basis (he has already totalled one, I understand) they will have to run a bit faster to keep up the car supply before they even think about developing it. And Monsieur Ogier isn't averse to stuffing cars into the scenery either.

You seem to have forgotten that of the 4 manufacturers you just named, 2 were owned by VW & 1 has dominated the IRC for the last 3 years.
And whilst its a completely different ballgame, their 2 Skoda s2000's absolutely pissed on everyone in the SWRC this year. At every round of the WRC.

I'm not saying it'll be easy, but they do have plenty of rallying experience in the company and it'd be silly to think they'll be racing anywhere but at the front.
Both their lead drivers have driven the series benchmark cars & will know exactly what is required for them to win.
Both also tended to crash their cars whilst racing against the greatest driver the sport has ever seen.
With Loeb gone they (well Ogier anyway) might visit the scenery less often & lets not forget Mikkelsen - He will be fast and has plenty of WRC experience

#110 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 11,062 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 11 December 2012 - 22:43

None of those manufacturers came into the WRC attracting top drivers and looking as much like a serious operation as this is.

VW don't have a minimal experience of rallying if you consider what Skoda attained over the last few years - their WRC car was rubbish but they eventually turned out pretty damn good with the S2000 lately.

Skoda's S2000 successes only really came once Peugeot had lost interest. And there wasn't really anyone else to beat. Tellingly, when M-Sport pitched up at Mpnte Carlo with a brand new S2000, they beat Skoda. Nor do I think VW will take much notice of Skoda's experience. If they valued it, it would be Skoda re-entering WRC. But VAG politics are very strange and convoluted....buy Lamborghini & Bugatti then bring out the Audi R8, own premium brand Audi but bring out the VW Phaeton, and so on.

I merely think we should wait and see what happens on the stages and not present VW with the trophy before they have even turned a competitive wheel.

#111 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 11 December 2012 - 23:19

There were 3 drivers capable of beating Loeb during his reign.
2 of them are driving for VW next year and the third is going testing with them for Sweden.

They might not win the championship, but they will, with the worlds 2 fastest drivers, win many rallies

#112 MadYarpen

MadYarpen
  • Member

  • 3,851 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 12 December 2012 - 13:53

Hey guys, I'd like to ask you for some tips for 2013.

I find rally very spectacular and exciting. I haven't followed it closely so far, but would like to start doing it properly.
Up till now I was ocassionally checking live timing at wrc.com, and watched vids (highlights kind I think) on youtube, if I bumped on any.

I have good and quick internet at home, but I work during the week until 5 pm (British time + 1 hour). At work internet is quite slow.

So, how do I follow rallies with the tools I have? Monte is not far away.

Edited by MadYarpen, 12 December 2012 - 13:54.


#113 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 12 December 2012 - 15:18

Hey guys, I'd like to ask you for some tips for 2013.

I find rally very spectacular and exciting. I haven't followed it closely so far, but would like to start doing it properly.
Up till now I was ocassionally checking live timing at wrc.com, and watched vids (highlights kind I think) on youtube, if I bumped on any.

I have good and quick internet at home, but I work during the week until 5 pm (British time + 1 hour). At work internet is quite slow.

So, how do I follow rallies with the tools I have? Monte is not far away.

wrc.com has live results including split times from each round of the wrc.

iRally's app (http://www.worldrall..._fe/ir_home.htm) also has live stage times along with live quote from all drivers at the end of each stage of the WRC & ERC. Its also one of the best ways to keep up with all the latest rally news.

WRC's youtube also has a mountain of event highlights from the early 00's - what some would class as rallyings golden age

To put you in the mood for next menths Rallye Monte Carlo:


Also, no official word yet but i'm guessing there will be rallying coverage here: http://live.redbull.tv/

This thread mightn't be a bad place to keep an eye on either!

Edited by kosmic33, 12 December 2012 - 15:20.


#114 MadYarpen

MadYarpen
  • Member

  • 3,851 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 12 December 2012 - 15:54

well thanks, wonder what will red bull coverage look like.

#115 EightGear

EightGear
  • Member

  • 389 posts
  • Joined: April 11

Posted 12 December 2012 - 15:55

During all rallies you can listen to WRC Live, a radio program. With interviews with drivers after each stage, etc. http://www.wrc.com/fanzone/wrc-live/
If you can't watch it on TV then usually there are reports on Youtube soon after the program aired on TV, like this one for example:
http://www.youtube.c...eature=g-user-u

Hopefully the TV coverage will be improved in 2013, with Red Bull as the series' promotor. I beg them for some live streaming as well. :)

#116 ArnageWRC

ArnageWRC
  • Member

  • 1,070 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 12 December 2012 - 17:32

If and when RedBull take over, I expect changes, but not straight away. The MotorsTV coverage, while well intentioned, is poor. The sound and picture quality isn't good enough for an FiA World Series....

However, as others have noted, there are ways to follow; if you're used to F1, it will be a bit different. I really hope that RedBull TV will have some live coverage eventually. As for TV, who knows....??

Edited by ArnageWRC, 12 December 2012 - 17:33.


#117 artista

artista
  • Member

  • 4,759 posts
  • Joined: May 10

Posted 12 December 2012 - 17:47

@MadYarpen

Like EightGear said, you can listen to the radio, live, during the rallies. I really recommend you to do it, it keeps you informed and hooked to what's going on. It's worth it :)

Oh! and in case there are some punctual problems with wrc.com or iRally, there are also a couple of Czech sites with live timing and driver statements:
http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/
http://ewrc-results.com/index.php


#118 DrProzac

DrProzac
  • Member

  • 1,833 posts
  • Joined: June 11

Posted 12 December 2012 - 18:29

To put you in the mood for next menths Rallye Monte Carlo:

Great times (though it's a shame the commentary audio is only on the right channel(?) and way too quiet)

Two great videos (each about an hour long) that every rally fan will enjoy. Robert's fans who weren't or aren't into rallying should watch this! This shows what rallying is about.*

Let me quote myself :)

* - well, to some extent : )

As for current highlights, there are a few channels on you tube where people upload them.

Edited by DrProzac, 13 December 2012 - 17:54.


#119 JimmyTheFox

JimmyTheFox
  • Member

  • 76 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 12 December 2012 - 18:37

The BBC a showing a motor racing legend mini series over Christmas / New Year:

Episode 1 – Sir Stirling Moss | Thursday 27 December – 8pm – BBC Two

Former Captain of the USS Enterprise and renowned Shakespearian actor, Sir Patrick Stewart tells the enthralling story of Sir Stirling Moss’s glittering race career. The pair travel to Florence in a classic Mercedes to retrace the route of Italy’s most famous road race – the Mille Miglia – and discuss how Stirling’s near-fatal crash may have been the best thing that ever happened to him.

But how will Sir Patrick cope when he drives a 1957 Formula 1 car at the scene of Stirling’s historic British Grand Prix victory?


Episode 2 – Colin McRae | Friday 28 December – 8pm – BBC Two

Olympic hero Sir Chris Hoy tells the story of Britain’s first-ever World Rally Champion, Colin McRae.

Along with Colin’s father, Jimmy – himself a five-time British Rally Champion – Sir Chris visits the scenes of Colin’s greatest triumphs. From exploring Colin’s roots as a Scottish trials bikes champ to driving the route of the Dakar rally over the dunes of the Sahara desert, Sir Chris retraces Colin’s wide-ranging career.

His father Jimmy speaks movingly about the tragic accident that claimed his son’s life, and the pride he has in his many successes. Finally, Sir Chris faces driving the iconic Subaru Impreza over a stage of the RAC Rally, home of Colin’s famous 1995 victory.


Episode 3 – Sir Jackie Stewart | to be announced

Chef and host of BBC One’s Saturday Kitchen, James Martin tells the story of one of Britain’s greatest ever motor racing drivers, Sir Jackie Stewart.

The pair take a road-trip through the Alps in a classic supercar to re-trace the life of Seventies icon, before self-confessed motor-racing fanatic James discovers how Sir Jackie’s relentless safety crusade lives on in the Formula 1 cars of today. But will James prove himself capable of driving one of Sir Jackie’s Grand Prix-winning cars around the Formula 1 circuit in Monza ? [/b]



Advertisement

#120 MadYarpen

MadYarpen
  • Member

  • 3,851 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:40

thanks for all the tips, ready and waiting for monte :up:

#121 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 14 December 2012 - 21:36

Neuville has signed with M-Sport for 2013!!

Apparently it's because of the support he has received from his friend Al Attiyah and their mutual sponsor Qatar along with doubts about citroens participation continuing beyond 2013.....

http://www.rallyemot...to-con-m-sport/

Edited by kosmic33, 14 December 2012 - 21:39.


#122 ArnageWRC

ArnageWRC
  • Member

  • 1,070 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 15 December 2012 - 13:29

Neuville has signed with M-Sport for 2013!!

Apparently it's because of the support he has received from his friend Al Attiyah and their mutual sponsor Qatar along with doubts about citroens participation continuing beyond 2013.....

http://www.rallyemot...to-con-m-sport/


That's the only reasoning I can think of - he must be getting paid. You wouldn't normally leave Citroen to go to perennial losers at M-Sport. Citroen leaving and going to the WTCC is a major error.... Whatever issues the WRC has had, it's still a better series than the WTCC. Think of all those iconic WTCC events......

#123 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 15 December 2012 - 14:02

That's the only reasoning I can think of - he must be getting paid. You wouldn't normally leave Citroen to go to perennial losers at M-Sport. Citroen leaving and going to the WTCC is a major error.... Whatever issues the WRC has had, it's still a better series than the WTCC. Think of all those iconic WTCC events......

I actually laughed out loud at that!

But you're right about WTCC being piss although I think it was on Autoport.com that I read Loeb saying that they're going to allow much more boost in 2014.
WTCC would be much easier (cheaper) won than the WRC next year though and Seb wants to go circuit racing and its not like Citroen have a GT3 car.....

#124 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 9,259 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 15 December 2012 - 14:31

He shouldn't need to be tied to Citroen for life though!

#125 ArnageWRC

ArnageWRC
  • Member

  • 1,070 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 15 December 2012 - 14:52

He shouldn't need to be tied to Citroen for life though!


I personally think that Citroen can't bear to let him go - and have decided to go to the only circuit racing series they can afford. However, after a season in a McLaren GT3, he'll surely not fancy a FWD WTCC car? Sportscars should be his future - he's proven already he's pretty useful.


#126 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 15 December 2012 - 14:56

He shouldn't need to be tied to Citroen for life though!

Loeb?
They gave him his career.
They are his 2nd family
They are doing the WTCC for him
They sacked Ogier for him
Citroen have been loyal to Loeb so why wouldnt he be loyal to them?
Oh, and he is in fact signed for life now too......

#127 CrossF1

CrossF1
  • Member

  • 95 posts
  • Joined: December 11

Posted 15 December 2012 - 16:42

Novikov and Neuville join M-Sport: http://www.m-sport.c...uartet-for-2013

#128 Dispenser89

Dispenser89
  • Member

  • 3,454 posts
  • Joined: July 09

Posted 15 December 2012 - 17:21

Good signings M-Sport. Ostberg, Novikov, Neuville with rich uncle Nasser and rarely seen cousin Hanninen. Actually quite like that line-up.

#129 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 15 December 2012 - 17:23

Good signings M-Sport. Ostberg, Novikov, Neuville with rich uncle Nasser and rarely seen cousin Hanninen. Actually quite like that line-up.

Yeah.
Pity they couldnt have signed drivers like that when they were a works team!

#130 Myrvold

Myrvold
  • Member

  • 2,445 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 15 December 2012 - 19:09

But, it's far from a WDC or maybe even a WCC team... For me it's kinda Gardemeister - Kresta - ish lineup

Edited by Myrvold, 15 December 2012 - 19:09.


#131 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 11,062 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 15 December 2012 - 20:06

Yeah.
Pity they couldnt have signed drivers like that when they were a works team!

With just one WRC win between the five of them, it is hardly a powerful line-up. Hanninen is the only one likely ever to be a WR Champion.

#132 DanardiF1

DanardiF1
  • Member

  • 6,362 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 15 December 2012 - 21:29

Yeah.
Pity they couldnt have signed drivers like that when they were a works team!


Perhaps Ford HQ stipulated 'bigger' names...

#133 sergeym

sergeym
  • Member

  • 526 posts
  • Joined: March 11

Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:54

With just one WRC win between the five of them, it is hardly a powerful line-up. Hanninen is the only one likely ever to be a WR Champion.



Well, Ostberg managed to beat Solberg last year, despite not having factory spec car. And i think both Neuville and Novikov have shown they have speed.

#134 MadYarpen

MadYarpen
  • Member

  • 3,851 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:38

Valmar Viisel ‏@paddocknews
According to http://rallye-sport.info Bouffier can start in Monte in DS3 #WRC

#135 Myrvold

Myrvold
  • Member

  • 2,445 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 16 December 2012 - 19:20

Well, Ostberg managed to beat Solberg last year, despite not having factory spec car.


Due to finishing rallies, not because of speed.

#136 eronrules

eronrules
  • Member

  • 2,830 posts
  • Joined: January 12

Posted 16 December 2012 - 20:03

so does it means end of Peter solberg?? any last minute surprise?? doesn't anyone see he's got more potential than all the newbies in M-sport and he said several times that he'll drive for free ...

#137 Myrvold

Myrvold
  • Member

  • 2,445 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 16 December 2012 - 20:20

so does it means end of Peter solberg?? any last minute surprise?? doesn't anyone see he's got more potential than all the newbies in M-sport and he said several times that he'll drive for free ...


He retired weeks ago. At least 12 days ;)

He had an offer for 9 rounds for Citroën, or 5 rounds for free with M-Sport (more if he could come with money). He said he didn't want to bring money, he could drive for free, but he wanted a full season. That didn't work out, and he then came out to Norwegian media, saying he retired from rallying. Though, still wanting to do motorsport, he says he has offers to drive *TCC, LMS and Rallycross in the future.

#138 MadYarpen

MadYarpen
  • Member

  • 3,851 posts
  • Joined: December 09

Posted 16 December 2012 - 21:52

Posted Image
http://www.rallye-sp...yundai-i20-wrc/


Looks like a shopping ladies car with rear wing forced onto it :drunk:

Edited by MadYarpen, 16 December 2012 - 21:52.


#139 Dispenser89

Dispenser89
  • Member

  • 3,454 posts
  • Joined: July 09

Posted 16 December 2012 - 21:57

I just want to pat that car on the roof while saying,'You want to go rally? Well, there's your lunch and don't be back too late.' That spoiler in the side shot. :stoned:

Advertisement

#140 eronrules

eronrules
  • Member

  • 2,830 posts
  • Joined: January 12

Posted 16 December 2012 - 22:17

He retired weeks ago. At least 12 days ;)

He had an offer for 9 rounds for Citroën, or 5 rounds for free with M-Sport (more if he could come with money). He said he didn't want to bring money, he could drive for free, but he wanted a full season. That didn't work out, and he then came out to Norwegian media, saying he retired from rallying. Though, still wanting to do motorsport, he says he has offers to drive *TCC, LMS and Rallycross in the future.


i know he retired, i was wondering if some kind sponsors found him useuful and made a surprise entry in 2013, i also heard rumors regarding future comeback ... perhaps with hyundai, who knows, or maybe he'll go WTCC and battle with seb there. but declining 9 rounds with citroen is a bit odd TBH

P.S i think Btcc is much more exciting than WTCC

Edited by eronrules, 16 December 2012 - 22:20.


#141 Myrvold

Myrvold
  • Member

  • 2,445 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 16 December 2012 - 23:17

i know he retired, i was wondering if some kind sponsors found him useuful and made a surprise entry in 2013, i also heard rumors regarding future comeback ... perhaps with hyundai, who knows, or maybe he'll go WTCC and battle with seb there. but declining 9 rounds with citroen is a bit odd TBH

P.S i think Btcc is much more exciting than WTCC


Don't think so. 9 rounds with Citroën means he cannot win the WDC in 2013, and no one knows what Citroën will do in 2014. Hyundai will not be a WDC-team in the first few years. Petter wants to have a shot at the title, or do something else. He used lots of money to stay in WRC over the three PSWRT years. And don't want to drive just to drive.

#142 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 16 December 2012 - 23:46

Petter was bringing money to M-Sport too.
And anyway, since his time with Subaru ended he has never ever looked like he was gonna win another round of the WRC. He's better off quitting now while he's just about the fastest Norwegian over a stage (although not a rally, obviously)

I'm not finding any of these Hyundai releases very convincing.
Driving a gravel spec car around a snowy airfield on 2 year old gravel tyres with no visible cooling holes in the front bumper and a roof vent that looks to me that its there for decoration is a long way away from competing in the WRC.
Then again, maybe i'm just being cynical and they're conducting endurance tests on parts......

#143 DanardiF1

DanardiF1
  • Member

  • 6,362 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 16 December 2012 - 23:52

Petter was bringing money to M-Sport too.
And anyway, since his time with Subaru ended he has never ever looked like he was gonna win another round of the WRC. He's better off quitting now while he's just about the fastest Norwegian over a stage (although not a rally, obviously)

I'm not finding any of these Hyundai releases very convincing.
Driving a gravel spec car around a snowy airfield on 2 year old gravel tyres with no visible cooling holes in the front bumper and a roof vent that looks to me that its there for decoration is a long way away from competing in the WRC.
Then again, maybe i'm just being cynical and they're conducting endurance tests on parts......


I don't think that running around on an airfield is the bread and butter of their development program, they most likely just wheeled the car out there for those photos. The car does look very basic right now, but for a fully in-house works program that's a first for Hyundai, a longer lead time to full race-ready spec is to be expected right? Considering their expertise and budget, I was annoyed that VW didn't compete in any rallies this last season despite first showing the car 18+ months ago, so really it's a case of what each manufacturer wants to do.

#144 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 17 December 2012 - 00:03

I don't think that running around on an airfield is the bread and butter of their development program, they most likely just wheeled the car out there for those photos. The car does look very basic right now, but for a fully in-house works program that's a first for Hyundai, a longer lead time to full race-ready spec is to be expected right? Considering their expertise and budget, I was annoyed that VW didn't compete in any rallies this last season despite first showing the car 18+ months ago, so really it's a case of what each manufacturer wants to do.

A lot of the parts are available "off the shelf" - turbo, gearbox, suspension, brakes. But you'll also find that driving around an airfield is a fairly common way of endurance testing parts - no point in heading to finland testing to discover theres an issue with the conrods that mean they only last 200kms....

The reason VW didn't do any rallies is that they wanted to delay homologation till the last possible moment - if the cars not homologated it cant enter a rally. Its the smart, high budget way to do things. Citroen did the same with the C4

Edited by kosmic33, 17 December 2012 - 00:04.


#145 DanardiF1

DanardiF1
  • Member

  • 6,362 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 17 December 2012 - 00:06

A lot of the parts are available "off the shelf" - turbo, gearbox, suspension, brakes. But you'll also find that driving around an airfield is a fairly common way of endurance testing parts.

The reason VW didn't do any rallies is that they wanted to delay homologation till the last possible moment - if the cars not homologated it cant enter a rally. Its the smart, high budget way to do things. Citroen did the same with the C4


Ah ok... actually there was an interview recently on the Drive youtube channel with Jost Capito who mentioned they wanted to homologate the car as late as possible. I was just annoyed that they showed the Polo R so long ago and then let that initial excitement die off... though they have recovered some of that with the swanky launch and high-profile driver lineup.

What else do you expect from Hyundai that's not clear from that test car then? More aero work, more bespoke cooling slots etc.?

#146 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 17 December 2012 - 00:40

Ah ok... actually there was an interview recently on the Drive youtube channel with Jost Capito who mentioned they wanted to homologate the car as late as possible. I was just annoyed that they showed the Polo R so long ago and then let that initial excitement die off... though they have recovered some of that with the swanky launch and high-profile driver lineup.

What else do you expect from Hyundai that's not clear from that test car then? More aero work, more bespoke cooling slots etc.?

VW did lots of testing.
They ran 2 fabia s2000's for an entire year in the WRC, normally testing the Polo in the days after the event using roads in the same area as the events. There wasn't really much more they could do publicity wise in my opinion without giving away secrets they wanted to keep till themselves until homologation.

This video from Hyundai is appalling.
The engine note sounds like its from a playstation game & it looks like it was recorded with an iphone. All the switches are located high up in the dash instead of on the floor - it even seems to have a standard road cars start/stop button......
On another forum Colin Clark (if you read this maybe you can confirm Colin?) is attributed with saying that he was chatting to Petter Solberg who told him that he tried to get in contact with Hyundai but never managed to find anyone that knew anything about the rally programme......

#147 DanardiF1

DanardiF1
  • Member

  • 6,362 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 17 December 2012 - 00:50

VW did lots of testing.
They ran 2 fabia s2000's for an entire year in the WRC, normally testing the Polo in the days after the event using roads in the same area as the events. There wasn't really much more they could do publicity wise in my opinion without giving away secrets they wanted to keep till themselves until homologation.

This video from Hyundai is appalling.
The engine note sounds like its from a playstation game & it looks like it was recorded with an iphone. All the switches are located high up in the dash instead of on the floor - it even seems to have a standard road cars start/stop button......
On another forum Colin Clark (if you read this maybe you can confirm Colin?) is attributed with saying that he was chatting to Petter Solberg who told him that he tried to get in contact with Hyundai but never managed to find anyone that knew anything about the rally programme......


That's mad if true... doesn't sound particularly 'professional' really does it?

My point about VW is just that with the initial announcement you get a lot of excitement and intrigue about the team entering and racing, but then with such a long lead time (I understand that it was necessary) you're waiting a long time to see the car turn a wheel in anger. I felt at the time that they should've tested and developed the car in as much secrecy as they could for as long as they could, and then announced the program and car closer to the anticipated race debut. But the Monte isn't far off so I digress...

No offence to the great man, but this first (although not fully) Loeb-less year is really exciting for me, and I can't wait to see what the M-Sport lineup can do, whether VW with Ogier and Latvala (and Mikkelsen later on) can surprise and if Sordo can finally win a rally in a top car now his 'boss' isn't around...

#148 kosmic33

kosmic33
  • Member

  • 1,533 posts
  • Joined: October 09

Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:09

The problem with rallying is that its very hard to do things in secret if you're doing them right.
You have to test in the countries and on the stages that the WRC uses with an established driver.
There have been plenty of unofficial test videos on youtube and to be honest I cant wait for the Monte either - this could be a great years rallying.

Its only 3 weeks till the 1st round of the ERC too!

#149 sergeym

sergeym
  • Member

  • 526 posts
  • Joined: March 11

Posted 17 December 2012 - 04:20

Due to finishing rallies, not because of speed.



Yes, but what good is speed if you cannot convert it into result? Besides Solberg had factory spec car.

#150 Myrvold

Myrvold
  • Member

  • 2,445 posts
  • Joined: December 10

Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:13

Yes, but what good is speed if you cannot convert it into result? Besides Solberg had factory spec car.


Actually, the spec on the car, and engine mapping (everything regarding the car) is the only thing the Østberg-family hasn't "complained" about. Usually it was money, not as much testing as Petter & Latvala, money, more money, look how great we do, money, testing etc. But never anything about the car.

And I do agree that speed is nothing without converting it into results. It just looks like many thinks Østberg will be a big threat to the WDC. That might happen, but there is nothing in his actual speed that looks like that atm.

Oh, and yeah, I still don't like him after the way he beat Mikkelsen to the Norwegian rally champ. in 2007, and I also do believe that Mikkelsen have matured into a better driver than Mads. However, Mads isn't as corporate, and might be a welcome change from the usual PR-guys that arrives nowadays.