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#2151 Domi

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 15:01

"Big" presentation can be in other date like as Citroen.

After analizing situation I don't think private Polo is good idea and possible. I don't believe the car would be the same as cars in main team. Volkswagen wouldn't accept situation when private Polo will fight with main team Polo's.

 

 

It will be M-Sport.

 

 

 

ps. Pegeout s2000 ( PSA group ) propably because there is still contract with Citroen do the end of 2013.


Edited by Domi, 11 December 2013 - 15:18.


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#2152 MaGiK

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 15:56

Some french sites are reporting that Hirvonen and Bouffier are gonna drive for M-Sport at Monte.

#2153 Domi

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 16:00

Some french sites are reporting that Hirvonen and Bouffier are gonna drive for M-Sport at Monte.

Bryan will drive Fiesta WRC in Monte but I don't think for M-Sport, or maybe 3rd or 4th car ? Ho knows



#2154 EightGear

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 16:38

Kubica will start in Ronde Citta di Sperlonga this friday. It means that he won't participate in M-Sport Launch. I really doubt if Wilson would let him do that so there's one right conclusion. We'll see Robert and his co-pilot (apparently Jakub Gerber) in his new private team in Polo R WRC with Lotos and Red Bull as main sponsors. Good choice imho, no pressure, no expectations.


M-Sport doesn't do no team launch.

#2155 Gemini

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 19:57

Kubica will start in Ronde Citta di Sperlonga this friday. It means that he won't participate in M-Sport Launch. I really doubt if Wilson would let him do that so there's one right conclusion. We'll see Robert and his co-pilot (apparently Jakub Gerber) in his new private team in Polo R WRC with Lotos and Red Bull as main sponsors. Good choice imho, no pressure, no expectations.

 

 

the recce is on Saturday afternoon and stages only on Sunday

 

And he is driving with different co-driver, Szczepaniak*

 

http://sokolimokiem....0620#more-10620

 

Edit: * there are conflicting info that it's Gerber after all


Edited by Gemini, 11 December 2013 - 20:00.


#2156 Myrvold

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 20:06

Good choice imho, no pressure, no expectations.

He's getting the best car. That is pressure and expectations .



#2157 Domi

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 20:08

He's getting the best car. That is pressure and expectations .

 

You really believe that they will give to private team the same car as in main team :)? I don't think so, and Robert for sure knows the same.

 

 

It will be M-Sport :cool:



#2158 MadYarpen

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 20:29

Anyone knows what is the story about M-Sport canceling their test?



#2159 Domi

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 20:33

Anyone knows what is the story about M-Sport canceling their test?

 

I don't know but it strangely come in time with info that Robert stucked at the airport due to canceled flights :rolleyes: if you know what I mean :cool:


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#2160 artista

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 20:36

Okay, can somebody be soooo nice and do a little, brief, summary of who's driving what next season? :) too many news the last few days and I got lost.

#2161 Domi

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 20:40

Volkswagen: Ogier, Latvala, Mikkelsen

Citroen: Ostberg, Meeke, Qassimi

Hyundai: Nevuille    Hanninen / Sordo / Atkinson

 

M-Sport: Propably Kubica and Hirvonen, and 3rd car for Evans and Nasser, we will see on Friday



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 20:43

Thanks a ton, Domi :up

Edit: @Domi: imagine there is a thumbs up there, I didn't manage to insert it correctly from the iPad.

Edited by artista, 11 December 2013 - 20:45.


#2163 Myrvold

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 20:56

You really believe that they will give to private team the same car as in main team :)? I don't think so, and Robert for sure knows the same.

 

 

It will be M-Sport :cool:

Nope, but the dev. between cars/de-tuning won't be that huge. It's a bit like Raikkonen and Solberg. They didn't get factory spec Citroën, they didn't get full control of the car, but you still saw what Solberg was able to do.



#2164 Domi

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 11:57

According to autohebdo

 

 

Mikko Hirvonen , Robert Kubica and Elfyn Evans in M-Sport 2014



#2165 MadYarpen

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:49

No, in M-Sport:

Hirvonen, Evans, and Kubica in third Fiesta;) Whatever that means!



#2166 Domi

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 13:06

That means for me that it will be the same as Neuville this year. Second M-Sport team. It is I think the best choice. He will be able to push without looking on constructors points



#2167 MaGiK

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 13:13

Or its Fiesta by Lotos Rally Team (like Kosciuszko).

I hope not.



#2168 Domi

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 13:14

Or its Fiesta by Lotos Rally Team (like Kosciuszko).

I hope not.

 

 

I don;t think so. Robert knows that only the best option is fabric car with fabric team.



#2169 MadYarpen

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 13:20

well fabric car wouldn't go too far.  :drunk:

 

I hope it is something like Paddon had in Spain. But I don't think it can be said for sure after auto hebdo article.


Edited by MadYarpen, 12 December 2013 - 13:20.


#2170 Domi

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 18:12

There is still variance in info ho will be in 1st team. Some say that Robert and Mikko, and others that Mikko and Elfyn. Tomorrow morning official announcment



#2171 GrzegorzChyla

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 19:16

well fabric car wouldn't go too far.  :drunk:

 

I hope it is something like Paddon had in Spain. But I don't think it can be said for sure after auto hebdo article.

he means 'fabryczny' which translates to factory / works



#2172 OvDrone

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:29

Am I the only one hyped about Ostberg? The dude has the brains and speed, just needs some focus and some non-Neuville kind of season to truly shine.



#2173 Myrvold

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:57

Am I the only one hyped about Ostberg?

You might be. But hey, he is one of the few drivers in any racing/rally/rallycross series in the world, that I really don't like, so there is no way I'm able to stay objective when talking about that daddy's boy...



#2174 OvDrone

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:02

Eh, we'll see, come Rally Sweden. Dude goes well there.



#2175 Myrvold

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 03:58

Eh, we'll see, come Rally Sweden. Dude goes well there.

As did Tomas Rådstrøm, oh well, I'm just proving my point about not staying objective here :)

Let's just say that I'd rather see Anders Grøndal in WRC than Østberg! :)



#2176 Domi

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:24

I think he ( OStberg ) should do the same as Latvala - hire psychologist :) He started year with strong pace, but when it was turning again to crash or failure it was going down and down rally by rally. So I think here is problem with head.

 

 

He is very good on gravel and in sweden on snow, but terrible on tarmac honestly  :D

 

 

 

Just one thing that I am aware of that is DS3 . I don't think this car will suit him. It is developed by Loeb to his style. He was driving even on gravel like on tarmac. Smooth moves without sliding alot. Hirvonen wasn't happy about DS3 I think :)


Edited by Domi, 13 December 2013 - 07:27.


#2177 skywing

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:24

Hirvonen confirmed @ M-Sport. https://www.facebook...&type=1

 

And Evans as well. Both to contest all 13 rounds.  :)


Edited by skywing, 13 December 2013 - 09:26.


#2178 Domi

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:24

Robert in second M-Sport team !

http://www.m-sport.c...4-campaign.html



#2179 Muppetmad

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:33

I'm glad Evans has got a good seat, it'll be nice to see what he can do. Of course, Kubica in the M-Sport is excellent news. Next year could be very interesting - or it could be another Ogier walkover with everyone else fighting for the podium positions, we'll have to see.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:42

It will be another French walkover yes, but that doesn´t mean there wouldn´t be any interesting things happening further back (= the fight for the vacant place on the podium behind the Polos).



#2181 MadYarpen

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:57

Robert in second M-Sport team !

http://www.m-sport.c...4-campaign.html

 

Sorry man, but there is no word about M-sport second team. It looks like a private programm with car prepared by M-Sport. It doesn't seem to be anything like neuville had.

 

//I'm not complaining here, may be it is the best solution for RK.


Edited by MadYarpen, 13 December 2013 - 10:20.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:26

Unfortunately not official :(

 

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#2183 Domi

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:27

Sorry man, but there is no word about M-sport second team. It looks like a private programm with car prepared by M-Sport. It doesn't seem to be anything like neuville had.

 

//I'm not complaining here, may be it is the best solution for RK.

 

 

Malcolm Wilson: "...keen to have him on-board "

 

I don't think this means private team.



#2184 MadYarpen

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:34

Malcolm Wilson: "...keen to have him on-board "

 

I don't think this means private team.

 

Sorry to use this argument, but you clearly don't understand English enough to have a safe opinion on this.



#2185 thuGG

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:35

You're paranoid. The car will be from M-Sport, yes? Then what's to worry about? This solution is clearly made because of Lotos sponsorship.



#2186 MadYarpen

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:41

I'm not worried, just saying that there is nothing that suggests it will be a programme similar to what Neuville had. It will be rather like what Kościuszko had.

 

And I'm perfectly happy with that. But I don't think there is any justification to write that Robert will be a M-sport factory driver, that's all.



#2187 Muppetmad

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:46

The vibe I get is that it is a privateer entry de jure but will essentially be a works drive de facto. There is a technical difference, but for all intents and purposes one can regard it as a factory drive - as Domi has pointed out, Wilson isn't delineating the nature of Robert's seat.



#2188 Domi

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:22

Malcolm is treating Robert like driver of his team so that explains everything for me.

 

For sure he would like to have him alongside Mikko in 1st team, but when he have a driver with big sponsorship that can cover costs of season he simply had to agree to that. Lotos also wants something from that deal and here is team that will have Lotos in name. Everyone is winner of this situation. Robert have top car and top team without pressure for factory points and can attack more in rallies. Lotos have recognition and Malcolm have recognition and great driver that he wanted in team for long time without having to pay $ for that :)



#2189 Domi

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 16:27

according to iRally team will be named

 

RK M-Sport World Rally Team



#2190 MadYarpen

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 16:35

If it is confirmed I'll take my words back I guess;) :up:



#2191 DrProzac

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 16:41

I think that obviously its about Lotos sponsorship and the need to run the car with different livery.