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#51 mnmracer

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 18:09

It's kind of funny/sad to say Maldonado/Rosberg did so awesome while Vettel lucked into the perfect set-up. Aside from the fact that Vettel pulled off that win with a dry set-up in the rain, to think a good set-up did no help those two on the day is kind of naive.

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#52 Claudius

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 18:15

Spa 1992

A rookie beating all of them, including Senna, in changeble conditions.


#53 Puhoon

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 18:16

however, for me , the best one is kimi's first win at malaysian GP 2003 because of the chaos, and in a way it was similar to Abu dhabi as DC retired from lead.

here's the ITV race highlight ... enjoy :wave:


Wow, I didn't see this coming. I'm shocked.

#54 Boxerevo

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 18:30

Barrichello's first for me,i saw that one.

Before 1993 i didn't saw F1.

Edited by Boxerevo, 08 December 2012 - 18:36.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 18:31

I think, lapping the whole field bar one other driver in torrential rain, is quite good.


Ayrton Senna, Lotus-Renault, Estoril 1985. One for the ages, no question.

There's plenty that are contenders for most impressive. But if I may stretch the criteria just a little to make my point the "Most Impressed" I've ever been was Senna's second place at the controversially-abbrieviated Monaco GP of 1984 in the Toleman-Hart. In his fifth (arguably fourth) F1 start.

Respect to Stefan Bellof on that day as well.




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Posted 08 December 2012 - 19:05

Schumacher at Spa 92 and Barrichello in 2000.

#57 Myrvold

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 19:10

It's kind of funny/sad to say Maldonado/Rosberg did so awesome while Vettel lucked into the perfect set-up. Aside from the fact that Vettel pulled off that win with a dry set-up in the rain, to think a good set-up did no help those two on the day is kind of naive.


I don't think you will find the same guys having both those statements :) And dry setup in the rain? Not a chance.

#58 gillesthegenius

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 19:25

SV Monza 08

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 19:27

It's kind of funny/sad to say Maldonado/Rosberg did so awesome while Vettel lucked into the perfect set-up. Aside from the fact that Vettel pulled off that win with a dry set-up in the rain, to think a good set-up did no help those two on the day is kind of naive.


I take Maldonado's over Rosberg's and specially Vettel's, anyday.

STR had a great car for the rain and even in dry it was like 4th car during races in the last part of that season. Bourdais also showed that the car, more than the driver, had the speed there. Plus, all top drivers/cars were starting behind in the pack and dealing with traffic and etc.

Rosberg also had a great car that weeked and Mercedes was on a 1-2 in the first stint which was interrupted by a pit mistake in MSC's case.

Maldonado simply put the car where Senna didn't give impression it could, in Q and race. After a might Q performance, Pastor had to battle with Alonso for the win after he lost first position in the start.

Maldonado win was not one fluke one, it was genuine performance. I wouldn't pick it as the most impressive ever but I would rate it above these 2 you brought up

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 19:30

Portugal 85

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 19:45

I don't think you will find the same guys having both those statements :) And dry setup in the rain? Not a chance.

Not this again. :well: Sorry, I'll have to quote myself from a locked thread.

http://www.formula1....008/9/8387.html

Q: Talk us through your race and being so much quicker in the speed trap.
SV: Well, for the speed trap I think there is an explanation. We didn't go for a more downforce configuration, thinking it might be dry today, so we stuck to the dry level and didn't touch it, so on the straight lines we were bloody fast compared to all the others.

... As I said yesterday, when you're a bit smarter and looking at the speed traps, we didn't set the car up for rain conditions. I was thinking that today was going to be a dry race. Obviously it was not, especially at the beginning. We were on a usual dry set-up to be honest.

(I remember Berger confirmed it in a TV interview on Saturday.)


http://www.redbull.c...021242903768334

GIORGIO ASCANELLI: ... I was really happy to get that first win for the Red Bull group, and I was absolutely over the moon for Sebastian. In fact it was all Sebastian. It wasn’t us that won the race, all we did was give him a reliable car which he drove masterfully. I reckon he’s still the fastest driver today in the wet. I remember when we were doing strategy on the Saturday afternoon, assuming the race would be dry. I told him that he couldn’t stay in front but he could aim for third place – but the important point was not to waste his time fighting Felipe Massa’s Ferrari which would be coming past like a rocket. I told him that if he wasted time trying to fight, he wouldn’t finish on the podium. After a couple of hours going over the various scenarios, Seb asked me, “What if it rains?” I told him “Congratulations!”

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 19:49


This Giorgio tells it as it is. Nothing to add.

Still Marks victory made a big impression by me as there were so many races till this great moment.

#63 eronrules

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 20:15

Wow, I didn't see this coming. I'm shocked.


of course you didn't  ;)

#64 Kyo

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 20:20

Speaking of Keke, Elio deAngelis's win at the Austrian GP 1982 was very memorable.

Winning by so little is always memorable.

Well since we are talking of the 82 season why not Patrese's first win in Monaco 82? Probably the craziest last lap ever. Even Patrese didn't know he had won the race. :lol:

Such a great year if not for Pironi and Gilles. :cry:

Edited by Kyo, 08 December 2012 - 20:21.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 21:08

Giancarlo Baghetti 1961 French Grand Prix
Jimmy Murphy 1921 French Grand Prix

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 21:16

Dutch Grand Prix in 75. Hunt was really on his game that day, and picted a perfect time to change back to slicks.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 21:37

Not this again. :well: Sorry, I'll have to quote myself from a locked thread.

http://www.formula1....008/9/8387.html

Q: Talk us through your race and being so much quicker in the speed trap.
SV: Well, for the speed trap I think there is an explanation. We didn't go for a more downforce configuration, thinking it might be dry today, so we stuck to the dry level and didn't touch it, so on the straight lines we were bloody fast compared to all the others.

... As I said yesterday, when you're a bit smarter and looking at the speed traps, we didn't set the car up for rain conditions. I was thinking that today was going to be a dry race. Obviously it was not, especially at the beginning. We were on a usual dry set-up to be honest.

(I remember Berger confirmed it in a TV interview on Saturday.)


http://www.redbull.c...021242903768334

GIORGIO ASCANELLI: ... I was really happy to get that first win for the Red Bull group, and I was absolutely over the moon for Sebastian. In fact it was all Sebastian. It wasn’t us that won the race, all we did was give him a reliable car which he drove masterfully. I reckon he’s still the fastest driver today in the wet. I remember when we were doing strategy on the Saturday afternoon, assuming the race would be dry. I told him that he couldn’t stay in front but he could aim for third place – but the important point was not to waste his time fighting Felipe Massa’s Ferrari which would be coming past like a rocket. I told him that if he wasted time trying to fight, he wouldn’t finish on the podium. After a couple of hours going over the various scenarios, Seb asked me, “What if it rains?” I told him “Congratulations!”


Time for me to be more amazed by Vettel's win, and Bourdais' speed as well then! I will forever find it suspicious how fast the Torro Rossos was in Italy and Japan in the rain though. Which indicates, either two very good drivers - or a car that fits the rain!

Anyway, thanks for correcting me and my memory! :) I'm always happy to be proved wrong when I'm wrong! :)

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 23:03

Special mention to Giancarlo Baghetti, who won in his first-ever F1 race, at Syracuse, AND in his first-ever World Championship F1 race, at Reims.


I don't know about Syracuse, but at Rheims with its long straights, there were only 4 cars (the Ferraris) which were ever going to win, and the other 3 DNF'd.

But I suppose he could have binned it.





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Posted 09 December 2012 - 00:34

I don't know about Syracuse, but at Rheims with its long straights, there were only 4 cars (the Ferraris) which were ever going to win, and the other 3 DNF'd.

But I suppose he could have binned it.


Actually, Phil Hill did bin it, collecting Moss (IIRC) in the process but was able to continue on and finish 9th. Baghetti also had a race long slipstreaming duel with the Porsche's of Gurney and Bonnier. He took the victory by just over a tenth of a second from Dan. Baghetti won the first 3 F1 races he competed in. 2 of them, including Syracuse, being non-championship affairs.

#70 aditya-now

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 00:38

Winning by so little is always memorable.

Well since we are talking of the 82 season why not Patrese's first win in Monaco 82? Probably the craziest last lap ever. Even Patrese didn't know he had won the race. :lol:

Such a great year if not for Pironi and Gilles. :cry:


Indeed :cry:


#71 aditya-now

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 00:39

Gilles Villeneuve winning his first race at the first F1 race at Ile Notre Dame in 1978. First win for a Canadian in F1 and he won it on his home track in Canada.

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An all-time classic!


#72 bourbon

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 00:46

Sorry, what?


They played the Italian anthem for the constructor win - and afterward, Didi informed that the Austrian anthem should have been played, lol. But it was perfect for Seb's first win; I am sure he appreciated the Schumy recall as much as anyone and of course, the fans loved it. The Minardi ties and the fact that the factory is in Italy led me to believe that the organizers had it right for the STRF, but according to Didi, they did not.

Edited by bourbon, 09 December 2012 - 00:47.


#73 jj2728

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 00:48

Well since we are talking of the 82 season why not Patrese's first win in Monaco 82? Probably the craziest last lap ever. Even Patrese didn't know he had won the race. :lol:


I was there and belive me none of us knew what was going on.

#74 BillBald

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:17

Actually, Phil Hill did bin it, collecting Moss (IIRC) in the process but was able to continue on and finish 9th. Baghetti also had a race long slipstreaming duel with the Porsche's of Gurney and Bonnier. He took the victory by just over a tenth of a second from Dan. Baghetti won the first 3 F1 races he competed in. 2 of them, including Syracuse, being non-championship affairs.


Well, I suppose you could put it another way, and say that he only just won it, in spite of having the faster car. :)

Seriously, it was still a good effort for a rookie, but I don't recall that he ever won anything again.



#75 gillesthegenius

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:18

Time for me to be more amazed by Vettel's win, and Bourdais' speed as well then! I will forever find it suspicious how fast the Torro Rossos was in Italy and Japan in the rain though. Which indicates, either two very good drivers - or a car that fits the rain!

Anyway, thanks for correcting me and my memory! :) I'm always happy to be proved wrong when I'm wrong! :)


Could you please care to refresh my memories about the bolded parts? Please. Coz I dont seem to remember things the way you do. :)

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:19

They played the Italian anthem for the constructor win - and afterward, Didi informed that the Austrian anthem should have been played, lol. But it was perfect for Seb's first win; I am sure he appreciated the Schumy recall as much as anyone and of course, the fans loved it. The Minardi ties and the fact that the factory is in Italy led me to believe that the organizers had it right for the STRF, but according to Didi, they did not.

Toro Rosso race under an Italian license, so surely the Italian anthem was correct?

Red Bull's first victory had the British anthem which was definitely wrong!

#77 Myrvold

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:24

Could you please care to refresh my memories about the bolded parts? Please. Coz I dont seem to remember things the way you do. :)



He qualed 4th, but there was some problems with his car at the start. His pace was said to have been good enough for a podium that day! Maybe that was a bit because he had the second fastest lap in the race. But the car was good that weekend. In Japan I'm just very wrong, as I thought of 07 when Vettel crashed with Webber! So, another thing I was wrong about there - my fault for that Japan ;)

Edited by Myrvold, 09 December 2012 - 01:24.


#78 gillesthegenius

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:28

Not this again. :well: Sorry, I'll have to quote myself from a locked thread.

http://www.formula1....008/9/8387.html

Q: Talk us through your race and being so much quicker in the speed trap.
SV: Well, for the speed trap I think there is an explanation. We didn't go for a more downforce configuration, thinking it might be dry today, so we stuck to the dry level and didn't touch it, so on the straight lines we were bloody fast compared to all the others.

... As I said yesterday, when you're a bit smarter and looking at the speed traps, we didn't set the car up for rain conditions. I was thinking that today was going to be a dry race. Obviously it was not, especially at the beginning. We were on a usual dry set-up to be honest.

(I remember Berger confirmed it in a TV interview on Saturday.)


http://www.redbull.c...021242903768334

GIORGIO ASCANELLI: ... I was really happy to get that first win for the Red Bull group, and I was absolutely over the moon for Sebastian. In fact it was all Sebastian. It wasn’t us that won the race, all we did was give him a reliable car which he drove masterfully. I reckon he’s still the fastest driver today in the wet. I remember when we were doing strategy on the Saturday afternoon, assuming the race would be dry. I told him that he couldn’t stay in front but he could aim for third place – but the important point was not to waste his time fighting Felipe Massa’s Ferrari which would be coming past like a rocket. I told him that if he wasted time trying to fight, he wouldn’t finish on the podium. After a couple of hours going over the various scenarios, Seb asked me, “What if it rains?” I told him “Congratulations!”


You got to be kidding me! This is very suspicious. I mean, how could Sebastian win in a car that wasnt perfectly tailor made to win that day? How could a driver who can only win in dominant cars ever do that? Unbelievable! ;)

#79 gillesthegenius

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:37

He qualed 4th, but there was some problems with his car at the start. His pace was said to have been good enough for a podium that day! Maybe that was a bit because he had the second fastest lap in the race. But the car was good that weekend. In Japan I'm just very wrong, as I thought of 07 when Vettel crashed with Webber! So, another thing I was wrong about there - my fault for that Japan ;)


Yes, he did qualify 4th. But how close did he get to Seb's pole lap? 1 tenth? or 3 tenths? or 5 tenths?

Besides one fast lap doesnt make one's race. Consistant pace throughout the whole distance of a race is what contributes to podiums and victories. Just ask Bruno Senna. :D

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:40

4 years and still sour grapes... :kiss:


A gamble on car setup by Ascanelli & Vettel got Toro Rosso Pole on the Saturday, then he ran away with it because A) there was a rolling start, B) he had a clear track with no spray, and C) Kovalainen drove like a nanna and held everyone up juuust enough for Vettel to not have any pressure put on him. He was far enough in front that by the time the switch to drys came he could afford to wait a few laps and be 100% certain it was the right call.

A win's a win, but the way some Vettel fans wax lyrical about it you'd think Vettel not only won the race, but lapped the field twice that day too. Dont forget Bourdais qualified 4th, so clearly the Toro Rosso was a weapon that weekend in Monza.

I seem to recall an anecdote about one of the RBR drivers, not sure if it was DC or MW, jumping in the Toro Rosso at the end of the year and exclaiming 'f*ck me!' at the level of grunt the 'non-customer spec' Grade A Ferrari engine had over the RB4 Renault.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:44

Time for me to be more amazed by Vettel's win, and Bourdais' speed as well then! I will forever find it suspicious how fast the Torro Rossos was in Italy and Japan in the rain though. Which indicates, either two very good drivers - or a car that fits the rain!

Anyway, thanks for correcting me and my memory! :) I'm always happy to be proved wrong when I'm wrong! :)

Fair enough. Everyone can have their own opinion on the race and I'm definitely not arguing that you have to consider the win great. However, it irks me that people consistently bring up 'he was lucky with wet set-up gamble' story and that it keeps getting repeated as a fact without any proof.

#82 Mauseri

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:46

I think good'ol Maldonado was quite handy while winning in Barcelona this year :wave:

That is also an impressive last win.

From the races I have watched, that is since 1999, Vettel.

#83 BillBald

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 02:04

That is also an impressive last win.


:lol:

That's an impressive ability to predict the future, but I think you could be right.



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Posted 09 December 2012 - 02:27

I cant believe it took 2 pages for someone to name Ayrton's first win. He almost lapped the whole field in the rain.
Monza 08 over Estoril 85??? What a joke

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 02:45

A gamble on car setup by Ascanelli & Vettel got Toro Rosso Pole on the Saturday, then he ran away with it because A) there was a rolling start, B) he had a clear track with no spray, and C) Kovalainen drove like a nanna and held everyone up juuust enough for Vettel to not have any pressure put on him. He was far enough in front that by the time the switch to drys came he could afford to wait a few laps and be 100% certain it was the right call.

A win's a win, but the way some Vettel fans wax lyrical about it you'd think Vettel not only won the race, but lapped the field twice that day too. Dont forget Bourdais qualified 4th, so clearly the Toro Rosso was a weapon that weekend in Monza.

I seem to recall an anecdote about one of the RBR drivers, not sure if it was DC or MW, jumping in the Toro Rosso at the end of the year and exclaiming 'f*ck me!' at the level of grunt the 'non-customer spec' Grade A Ferrari engine had over the RB4 Renault.


It's just so funny to me to see ppl try to belittle his win but all you're doing is just the opposite. All the power to him if he went dry set up. That's how an imperssive win is built up in a midfield car. You won't be seeing magic in F1

Most impressive win certainly for me is Vettel Monza and I definetly notice if someone is doing better than expected and he has had those moments more often than few times.

Edited by toroRosso, 09 December 2012 - 02:47.


#86 MattPete

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:33

Maldonado: he beat the rest of the field fair-and-square.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:50

Spa 1992

A rookie beating all of them, including Senna, in changeble conditions.



That actually made my local (Kansas City) news.

#88 rijole1

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:23

Vettel's and Maldonado's first wins were quite impressive

#89 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:44

92 Spa

Edited by Tarzaan, 09 December 2012 - 15:26.


#90 SpaMaster

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:53

Time for me to be more amazed by Vettel's win, and Bourdais' speed as well then! I will forever find it suspicious how fast the Torro Rossos was in Italy and Japan in the rain though. Which indicates, either two very good drivers - or a car that fits the rain!

Anyway, thanks for correcting me and my memory! :) I'm always happy to be proved wrong when I'm wrong! :)

That Torro Rosso car was a wet weather specialist? Oh please.. You don't have to acknowledge as a great win, but stop discrediting Vettel.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:03

I cant believe it took 2 pages for someone to name Ayrton's first win. He almost lapped the whole field in the rain.
Monza 08 over Estoril 85??? What a joke


It didn't. It was mentioned in post 13.

#92 garoidb

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:04

Spa 1992

A rookie beating all of them, including Senna, in changeble conditions.


If he was a rookie, then who was that guy who drove the second Jordan in the 1991 Belgian GP?

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:17

Most impressive in recent years IMO is Vettel's at Monza. If we're talking all time though, it'd be more difficult - perhaps Senna's at Estoril? I think I'd have to go for JP Beltoise's first (and only, as it turned out) victory, at Monaco in the rain; he beat Ickx by nearly 40 seconds, with nobody else even on the same lap!


I went to youtube to watch the highlights of this race and noticed a certain Hemult Marko pop up, so after visiting wiki i found this "A few weeks later on 2 July, during the 1972 French Grand Prix at Clermont-Ferrand, a stone thrown up by Emerson Fittipaldi's Lotus pierced Marko's helmet visor, permanently blinding his left eye and ending his racing career." a bit OT but I found this interesting.

#94 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:31

If he was a rookie, then who was that guy who drove the second Jordan in the 1991 Belgian GP?



92 was his first full season. And that was the last win with manual shifted gear-box.

#95 garoidb

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:41

92 was his first full season. And that was the last win with manual shifted gear-box.


I am well aware of that, but it is pushing things too far to claim that he won the 1992 Belgian GP as a rookie when it was his second Belgian GP. It was his 18th race during a time of 16 race seasons.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:56

I cant believe it took 2 pages for someone to name Ayrton's first win. He almost lapped the whole field in the rain.
Monza 08 over Estoril 85??? What a joke



I think that is because of Toro Rosso being more of an underdog team in 2008 then Lotus was in 1985. Thus 2008 more of a surprise.

Edit: removed comment since I mistakenly believed to be in anothe thread.

Henri

Edited by Henri Greuter, 09 December 2012 - 14:43.


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 13:03

Of recent memory - Button in Hungary.

The car was not exactly great - but he kept it on the island in very transient conditions.

That win kind of defines him IMO.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 13:07

Vettel 2008. Could be Hulkenberg 2012 :(

#99 Rikhart

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 13:18

I have to say after having investigated what people wrote here, I find either ayrton´s first win or schumacher´s the most impressive. Ayrton because of the sheer dominance, schumacher because he beat senna in his favourite conditions, and the almighty williams of the time. None of them were gifted wins because of someone else dropping out, like gilles or massive car superiority, like barrichelo 2000.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 13:26

Ayrton Senna, Lotus-Renault, Estoril 1985. One for the ages, no question.

There's plenty that are contenders for most impressive. But if I may stretch the criteria just a little to make my point the "Most Impressed" I've ever been was Senna's second place at the controversially-abbrieviated Monaco GP of 1984 in the Toleman-Hart. In his fifth (arguably fourth) F1 start.

Respect to Stefan Bellof on that day as well.


Ditto.