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#201 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 15:42

button's first win or maldonado's first win

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#202 oldracer1957

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 17:05

Top 3 (easily)

1. Giancarlo Baghetti: French GP in Reims, 1961 (the only F1 rookie ever to beat all experienced racers in his first GP)

2. Bruce McLaren, Florida US GP, 1959 (simply for being Bruce McLaren and for being the youngest driver to win a GP at that time)

3. Pedro Rodríguez, South African GP, 1967 (he won a crazy race in an unprepared T-car).

Edited by oldracer1957, 28 June 2013 - 17:15.


#203 Beamer

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 17:09

Top 3 (easily)

1. Giancarlo Baghetti: French GP in Reims, 1961 (the only F1 rookie ever to beat all experienced racers in his first GP)

2. Bruce McLaren, Florida US GP, 1982 (simply for being Bruce McLaren and for being the youngest driver to win a GP at that time)

3. Pedro Rodríguez, South African GP, 1967 (he won a crazy race in an unprepared T-car).

Dont you mean 1959?

#204 oldracer1957

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 17:14

Dont you mean 1959?


sorry for the mistype, yes 1959

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 19:36

Surprised nobody's mentioned Jacques' first win at Nurburgring 1996 (I think it was the Luxembourg GP that year), with MS all over his gearbox for pretty much the entire second half of the race and the German crowd willing him on. Total nail biter that one, edge of my seat stuff. Seriously, this guy just gets no love around here! :lol:

#206 jjcale

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 19:57

Senna ... Monaco '84

#207 garoidb

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 20:25

Senna ... Monaco '84


Or perhaps Bellof.

#208 DILLIGAF

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 20:32

Senna at Estoril '85. Smashed them.

Barrichello at Hockenheim 2000. Fantastic drive & then pure emotion following the win.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 20:53

Surprised nobody's mentioned Jacques' first win at Nurburgring 1996 (I think it was the Luxembourg GP that year), with MS all over his gearbox for pretty much the entire second half of the race and the German crowd willing him on. Total nail biter that one, edge of my seat stuff. Seriously, this guy just gets no love around here! :lol:


Not that the above win wasn't impressive, but i think if he didn't have that fuel pump issue in Melbourne that year, then that would definitely have been a contender.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 21:25

Top 3 (easily)

1. Giancarlo Baghetti: French GP in Reims, 1961 (the only F1 rookie ever to beat all experienced racers in his first GP)


6 years after Brooks, who was driving a connaught rather than the best car on the grid? Not as easy as you suggest...


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 21:52

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2008 MONZA Sebastian brings the STRF home in conditions...

"You know what Martin, there are some moments that come along that just completely rejuvenate your love and passion for formula 1 and I'm feeling it right now here. This has been one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in almost 20 years of formula one. A Toro Rosso, with Minardi DNA coursing through it's veins driven by a 21 year old hotshoe[?] with a great sense of humor. It just makes you love formula 1 all over again..."

"It's Italy's other team, Ferrari has dominated here, the Tifoso turn out in their hundred's of thousands to support them, but instead Italy's other team, the little one - Toro Rosso gets its moment in the sun...

SEBASTIAN VETTEL IS A GRAND PRIX WINNER FOR THE FIRST TIME! HE"S THE YOUNGEST EVER! AND THAT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS I'VE EVER SEEN IN GRAND PRIX RACING!"

"Fully deserved, Brilliant drive, faultless, difficult conditions, kept the pace up at the front."


Best first victory ever...best commentating ever too... :p


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 22:41

You're right, it has to be Barrichello. Great race. Poor guy started 18th. Always difficult to pass on a circuit like Hockenheim. And Barrichello did it in a Ferrari, not exactly the best car in the field.

At the end of the first lap he was 10th. Halfway into the race he was 5th, some 30 seconds behind the leading McLarens. Then there was a safety car because a nut job had decided to invade the track. There was some confusion at McLaren during the pit stops: Coulthard lost many places. Then there was another safety car. Then it started to rain. Häkkinen came in for wets, Barrichello stayed out, the rain stopped, and Barrichello won. For sure, it was obviously the most impressive victory of all.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 23:26

Vittorio Brambilla , Austria 1975 with the best finish of all time :-)

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 00:45

I think many people are forgetting that the toro rosso at the time, was designed by a certain mr adrian newey, and had better engines than the "main" team. Was it a good first victory? sure, he did what he had to do and didnt do a single mistake. One of the best ever? Nah no way.


Well Vettel must be amazing now as he's using those same worse engines vs. Ferrari's better ones.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 01:40

The thing people are missing with Vettels win is the fact that Hamilton, Raikkonen and Kubica were out of the picture through basically no fault of their own.

That Q2 session was one of the odd ones where the best laps are done early as the track got worse from the rain as time progressed. BMW and Ferrari foolishly tried to save tires and waited to send Kubica and Raikkonen out late when the track was at its worse. Hamilton got royally screwed as it wasn't even the teams mistake that saw him miss out on Q3... he was randomly selected for a car weigh in and also didn't get to hit the track until it was at its worst.

So at that point he only really had to beat Heikki who was crap at McLaren and Massa who struggled in the wet with the F2008 with a car that was pretty handy in the wet and took 3 of the top 4 spots.

Honestly Hamilton was much more impressive in that race then Vettel was, he SLAUGHTERED the field working from 15th to second on track only ending up farther down the field because of having to pit for fuel just a handful of laps before the change over from full wet to intermediates and therefore pitting twice in just a few laps killing his race.

It was a nice drive... but just like Kovi's, Kubica, and Maldonado's first win he benefited from the misfortune of the top teams and not him dominating the field as the commonly told story would leave you to believe.

#216 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 03:05

Well Vettel must be amazing now as he's using those same worse engines vs. Ferrari's better ones.

at that time the ferrari ones were much more powerful. STR was easily keeping up with RBR and the engine difference was pretty clear.

FIA allowed for "equalisation" of the engines, otherwise the Renault would still be way down on HP.

#217 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 03:07

The thing people are missing with Vettels win is the fact that Hamilton, Raikkonen and Kubica were out of the picture through basically no fault of their own.

That Q2 session was one of the odd ones where the best laps are done early as the track got worse from the rain as time progressed. BMW and Ferrari foolishly tried to save tires and waited to send Kubica and Raikkonen out late when the track was at its worse. Hamilton got royally screwed as it wasn't even the teams mistake that saw him miss out on Q3... he was randomly selected for a car weigh in and also didn't get to hit the track until it was at its worst.

So at that point he only really had to beat Heikki who was crap at McLaren and Massa who struggled in the wet with the F2008 with a car that was pretty handy in the wet and took 3 of the top 4 spots.

Honestly Hamilton was much more impressive in that race then Vettel was, he SLAUGHTERED the field working from 15th to second on track only ending up farther down the field because of having to pit for fuel just a handful of laps before the change over from full wet to intermediates and therefore pitting twice in just a few laps killing his race.

It was a nice drive... but just like Kovi's, Kubica, and Maldonado's first win he benefited from the misfortune of the top teams and not him dominating the field as the commonly told story would leave you to believe.

that same Q2 Massa made the cut to Q3 lapping faster than those "stars" - Hamilton, Raikkonen and Kubica on similar track conditions

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 05:32

Yeah, Vettel's got to be the best in the past two decades and one of the best ever. It was simply electric. Those who can't acknowledge that that win was special are living in denial.

#219 bourbon

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 06:56

I think many people are forgetting that the toro rosso at the time, was designed by a certain mr adrian newey, and had better engines than the "main" team. Was it a good first victory? sure, he did what he had to do and didnt do a single mistake. One of the best ever? Nah no way.


That is only a small part of what made it great. The car ran well on the day - but it hadn't run well on the day ever before that to the same extent (a win) - including the Minardi years - which is significant because you had many in the garage that were inherited Minardi crew. This was a blisteringly beauty of a win for these guys - they had never seen their work result in a podium, let alone a win. They had seen good drivers try (Webber, Alonso, et al), but the car had never quite hit the bell. Finally you had a car and driver running on all fours and it culminated in a huge wtf victory for the team.

So this win was incredible for them and for fans that viewed or had knowledge of that history.

From the perspective of Red Bull, it was also a phenomenal win. First because they were a young team and it was their first win; second, because the big boss was there to witness it; and third because it justified Newey's risky decision to join Red Bull and do it 'his way'.

For Ferrari, it was it's first customer win.

From the perspective of fans, there are the points you brought up - great car on the day out of STRF and woke many up to the new hotshot on the block (and confirmed Seb's potential for the rest of us) - gave Ferrari fans at Monza that day, something to cheer for and gave all fans a crazy good race to talk about.

So yeah - best first race win ever...

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#220 MikeV1987

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 07:02

Yeah, Vettel's got to be the best in the past two decades and one of the best ever. It was simply electric. Those who can't acknowledge that that win was special are living in denial.


:up: :up:

#221 Sakae

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 07:23

In my personal direct viewing experience it has to be two, almost identical racing events which stuck in memory and both were run in rain. The race of 1996 at Circuit de Cataluña in which Michael Schumacher's in rather poorly performing Ferrari gave them their victory, defeating heavy favorite British Williams driven by Villeneuve.
Impressive drive stood unequal for over a decade and until the race of 2008 at Monza in which Sebastian Vettel brings the STRF on the podium, and neither Felipe or Kimi in their Ferraris could stop him. Until today I believe it was probably a turning point for Vettel, launching his F1 odyssey as a premier racer in F1 series after his countryman, Schumacher.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 08:00

Vettel's win was very special but there was an element of luck as explained above by bimmeric. I think it's certainly one of the best in the last twenty years (maybe the best), however people claiming that it's the best race win ever are living in their own type of denial.

Senna's first win at Estoril (1985) was definitely better. He qualified on pole, qualifying ahead of his own teammate (Elio de Angelis who beat Mansell the previous year) by 1.2 seconds, he won the race by over a minute (lapping his own team mate) and his fastest lap was 0.7 second fastest than anyone elses. Total domination and he didn't put a foot wrong.

However with Vettel's victory, he made a pretty big mistake in the first ten laps. Almost sliding off although he kept it together by cutting the chicane. What is also clear is that the Toro Rosso was hooked up that weekend - don't forget that sometimes cars turned up with special low downforce settings e.g. Force India Spa 09 which gave them a fantastic opportunity. Bourdais qualified 4th and had the 2nd fastest lap. Who knows what Bourdais would have done had he not stalled on the grid.

I wouldn't claim to know what the best victory is but Senna's was better than Vettel's.

#223 Sakae

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 08:13

Comparing Lotus-Renault of 1985 with 2008 STRF is little on the wild side for me, just as Senna winning with fourth best fielded car, and that win from the pole.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 08:29

Hamilton - Silverstone - 2008

68 seconds ahead of 2nd at the finish line, yes that's right, it's not a typo, 68 seconds in a race that would have been red flagged today.

Only god himself could finish 69 ahead  ;)


#225 SpaMaster

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 08:34

Hamilton - Silverstone - 2008

68 seconds ahead of 2nd at the finish line, yes that's right, it's not a typo, 68 seconds in a race that would have been red flagged today.

Only god himself could finish 69 ahead ;)

Can you just cut it? We are talking of first victories by F1 drivers.

#226 PurpleHam

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 08:37

Can you just cut it? We are talking of first victories by F1 drivers.

Oh ok, sorry I did not see the first in the title.

By the way Vettel had massive amounts of fortune to win at monza, a lot fell his way that day...


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Posted 29 June 2013 - 08:52

Comparing Lotus-Renault of 1985 with 2008 STRF is little on the wild side for me, just as Senna winning with fourth best fielded car, and that win from the pole.


It's not as much about the nature of the cars as about the respective performances. You could argue that Senna's win wasn't as impressive as half of the field retired or the Lotus was a top four car that year. However the Toro Rosso was clearly top four material that weekend, in the hands of both drivers, as Bourdais qualified 4th and set the 2nd fastest lap.

Senna, in his second race for Lotus, made the entire field look mediocre in the wet. Vettel looked like he performed slightly better than other leading contenders e.g. Kovalainen (however at a slight car disadvantage)

Vettel was amazing though as he beat Bourdais by about 0.9s in qualifying. A couple of things which overshadow his performance are that a) he made that mistake at the beginning of the race b) Hamilton had a more impressive first half of the race (from 15th to 2nd in 23 laps) and c) the Toro Rosso was a strong car that weekend just like the Force India 09 Spa.

Don't let anything take away from one of the greatest victories in the last twenty years, it was spectacular but not the best ever. Estoril 1985 was one of the best wins of all-time, let alone best first time win. However Autosport rated Senna's win the seventh best wet weather win of all-time and Vettel's the sixth - although Senna ranked the Estoril win over Donington which was ranked above Vettel's. I guess it's a matter of perspective but I know which side I sit on.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:00

Senna's first win at Estoril (1985) ......... Total domination and he didn't put a foot wrong.


He did admit to going off onto the grass at one point and was very lucky not to lose it.

Definitely a better wet weather drive than Donington though, no traction control in 1985.


#229 MikeV1987

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:03

Oh ok, sorry I did not see the first in the title.

By the way Vettel had massive amounts of fortune to win at monza, a lot fell his way that day...


Yeah, you would throw that in there. :lol:

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:13

Can't see that it's been mentioned, but the most impressive first victory, and indeed one of the greatest drives in Grand Prix history, was Jean-Pierre Beltoise at Monaco in 1972.

He was driving a BRM P160 that, in two years of racing, and with three drivers at pretty much all races, drivers of the calibre of Lauda and Regazzoni, scored 0 other podia. He himself had the pressure of having been in F1 for over half a decade without a win, as well as the psychological trauma of being wrongly blamed for his part in Giunti's fatal accident. Plus he had an almost useless left arm after a sportscar crash in the sixties. Not the sort of set-up that would be ideal for Monte Carlo.

He also had to drive for 3 hours - no cut-off rule in those days - in the absolute teeming rain at Monaco, worse conditions than those which 12 years later would cause the race to be flagged off. One mistake on that surface could have ended in disaster.

Yet he led every single lap, and monstered the field to such an extent that he was a lap clear of the World Champion-elect, two clear of the reigning champion, four and six laps clear of two other champions in the field. There was only one man on the same lap come the end, and even that was Jacky Ickx, a renowned rainmaster, 40s back.

I've never understood why this drive is not more famous, unless it's because it was Beltoise, not one of the legends of the track.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:17

Top 3 (easily)

1. Giancarlo Baghetti: French GP in Reims, 1961 (the only F1 rookie ever to beat all experienced racers in his first GP)

Well, he outfumbled Gurney at the last, but otherwise it was a race of attrition - he fell into the win. Best car in the field by a country mile and the first time he led was with 10 laps to go, when Richie Ginther retired from half-a-minute up.

Incidentally, Ginther's only win was a top drive - flag-to-flag dominance for a winless team.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:20

Can't see that it's been mentioned


Shoulda gone to Specsavers.


#233 Mr.Wayne

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:21

I would have to agree with that.

Not a fan of Barrichello, but supporting Ferrari in those days as a die hard fan, I remember that win well, even though I was only a little kid.

With Schumacher out of the race, all the focus was on Barrichello from everyone, and I think he started from 18th, somewhere near the back of the field, and started hounding both McLaren's, and who could forget Murray Walker going crazy, "The Flying Ferrari!".

From my time of watching F1 anyway, this one springs to my mind. Had that little extra compared to the rest.

To be fair, he was greatly helped by the disgruntled Mercedes employee (AND the rain near the end). He started with a different strategy (which allowed him to be faster), and the positions he recovered were a consequence of that. Just look at HHF that day (before his car expired) to see how the strategy made the most out of his positions.

Once the SC was deployed, he was switched to the same strategy of those around him; and he was unable to make any impression on the McLaren cars; who gave the lead only when they went for tyres. Rubens (who was always quite good in the wet) took the chance, and made it work on his favour.

But I have always wondered if HHF would not have had the best of him had his car not failed...

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:24

I think most 'first wins' are impressive by their very nature. I think a more interesting question would be which are the least impressive:

Easy. Bugatti's first-ever Grand Epreuve victory. Came at France in 1926. Only 3 cars started. All Bugattis. An absolute nadir of the sport.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:24

Shoulda gone to Specsavers.

Well, let's be honest, I couldn't be arsed to check.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:30

That is only a small part of what made it great. The car ran well on the day - but it hadn't run well on the day ever before that to the same extent (a win) - including the Minardi years - which is significant because you had many in the garage that were inherited Minardi crew. This was a blisteringly beauty of a win for these guys - they had never seen their work result in a podium, let alone a win. They had seen good drivers try (Webber, Alonso, et al), but the car had never quite hit the bell. Finally you had a car and driver running on all fours and it culminated in a huge wtf victory for the team.

So this win was incredible for them and for fans that viewed or had knowledge of that history.

From the perspective of Red Bull, it was also a phenomenal win. First because they were a young team and it was their first win; second, because the big boss was there to witness it; and third because it justified Newey's risky decision to join Red Bull and do it 'his way'.

For Ferrari, it was it's first customer win.

From the perspective of fans, there are the points you brought up - great car on the day out of STRF and woke many up to the new hotshot on the block (and confirmed Seb's potential for the rest of us) - gave Ferrari fans at Monza that day, something to cheer for and gave all fans a crazy good race to talk about.

So yeah - best first race win ever...


That car was not a Minardi. I suppose we should give Fernando Alonso the title of TDG for winning his titles in a Toleman, and slate Jacques Villeneuve for not winning in a Brawn?

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:33

That car was not a Minardi. I suppose we should give Fernando Alonso the title of TDG for winning his titles in a Toleman...

Suits me. Stops all the rebranding bolsheviks.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:34

Please do not turn this into whether that car is a Minardi or midfield car or whatever. I am interested to see what various people see as their most impressive 1st victory by a driver, not to discuss whether a car is this or that.

I am seeing so many interesting stories, especially with various 1st victories in the older decades as admittedly, I only got into watching F1 by around 1998.

#239 jj2728

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:35

Jimmy Murphy winning the 1921 French GP.

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#240 E.B.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:56

I am seeing so many interesting stories, especially with various 1st victories in the older decades as admittedly, I only got into watching F1 by around 1998.


Peter Gethin at Monza 1971 was probably the best first victory for the quality of the actual race - and not a bad shout for an impressive victory anyway, considering he lost the slipstream to the leaders fairly early on and had to claw his way back to the front.

The climax involved 5 cars all together in a mad fight, all piloted by men who had never won a WDC race, and ended up as one of the closest finishes of all time, setting a record for the fastest GP of all time (I don't think that AVUS 1937 race was a GP) that stood for 32 years.


#241 Kobasmashi

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 15:59

Please do not turn this into whether that car is a Minardi or midfield car or whatever. I am interested to see what various people see as their most impressive 1st victory by a driver, not to discuss whether a car is this or that.

I am seeing so many interesting stories, especially with various 1st victories in the older decades as admittedly, I only got into watching F1 by around 1998.


I was just giving my opinion as to why Vettel's isn't the best ever in my view. On topic, the best one I watched live (Since I was born but my earliest memories are of 98-ish as well) was probably Barrichello's. I know some mad goings on gave him the wildcard he needed to get all the way up the pack, but it was still bloody good in my view. Alonso's was also very very impressive, he just spanked everyone in a straight fight with no weather interventions or madness or anything.

Has anyone mentioned Mika Hakkinen's yet? :smoking: :lol: :wave:

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 16:02

Vittorio Brambilla , Austria 1975 with the best finish of all time :-)


Didn't he crash after he took the checkered flag?

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 16:06

I do think Senna's victory at Estoril was extremely impressive. He almost lapped the entire field (He lapped 3rd place and finished over a minute in front of 2nd place).

I also think Vettel's Monza victory in the Toro Rosso was exceptionally impressive, as well. I know there are some Vettel bashers out there, but anytime a driver can elevate a car's performance - regardless of the track conditions - is pretty special, IMO.

Edited by 911, 29 June 2013 - 16:08.


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Posted 29 June 2013 - 16:07

Didn't he crash after he took the checkered flag?

That is exactly what he did!

#245 Kart15

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 17:00

Elio´s first win, Austria 1982 (close the topic)

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#246 ANF

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 17:04

Giancarlo Fisichella.

#247 E.B.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 17:04

Elio´s first win, Austria 1982 (close the topic)


Hmm. I'd definitely vote for him in the "least impressive second win" topic.


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Posted 29 June 2013 - 17:16

Peter Gethin at Monza 1971 was probably the best first victory for the quality of the actual race - and not a bad shout for an impressive victory anyway, considering he lost the slipstream to the leaders fairly early on and had to claw his way back to the front.

The climax involved 5 cars all together in a mad fight, all piloted by men who had never won a WDC race, and ended up as one of the closest finishes of all time, setting a record for the fastest GP of all time (I don't think that AVUS 1937 race was a GP) that stood for 32 years.


Wow! That is impressive indeed.

I was just giving my opinion as to why Vettel's isn't the best ever in my view.

I just want to make sure it doesn't spill over. :)

Edited by encircled, 29 June 2013 - 17:17.


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Posted 29 June 2013 - 17:45

Elio´s first win, Austria 1982 (close the topic)

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One of the most exciting, but it wasn't hugely impressive, given that he relied on attrition to get into the lead - the race was really Patrese's (another driver whose first win was achieved without any real intent). Tambay's was better as he had the emotion of Pironi's accident to overcome.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 18:08

Was Patrese's first win that infamous Monaco 1982? Qualifies for the funniest first victory ever award.:p