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#1 Bartel

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 02:00

Please oh please oh please!!!!

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104767

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#2 Tommorris747

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:18

Please oh please oh please!!!!

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104767

Looks like the only thing standing in its way is...money! Red Bull has pots of it but methinks they won't want to pour it away paying to host a race.

#3 olliek88

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:21

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/20657102


Seems there could be a few other problems but i hope it happens.

As much as i like Turkey (The circuit, not the food) i would love to see F1 go back to the old A1 Ring.

#4 Woody3says

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:25

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/20657102
the old A1 Ring.

Isn't that still a problem though? The circuit is not the same as it used to be....

#5 Currahee

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:33


Wasn't it at Austria where Montoya saw a strange animal?

"A horse with horns" he said. :lol:

#6 nemtudom

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:39

Wasn't it at Austria where Montoya saw a strange animal?

"A horse with horns" he said. :lol:


:D

#7 Antonov

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:43

wow, I'd imagine laptimes approaching 1.00s!

also, with these last minute events and apparently just 40,000 tickets on sale, where could I get my tickets as quickly as possible?
Or in other words, what site will be the first to offer tickets to this last-minute event?

#8 DinocoBlue

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:48

I'm all for it as well. Love the location of the circuit, very picturesque (unlike some recent additions to the calendar).

Thing is (no matter if its Turkey, France or Austria), would it become a one off? That is presuming that NJ does go ahead in '14 and Sochi is deferred until '15. Or will another European round get the elbow?

#9 Baddoer

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:50

Screw it. This puppet version is nothing like original Österreichring.

#10 Antonov

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:53

Screw it. This puppet version is nothing like original Österreichring.


of course, but it was still a great attempt to maintain some of its former greatness.

#11 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:30

No chance of this happening. F1 will not visit tracks with laptimes of only around 1:00.

#12 showtime

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:37

wow, I'd imagine laptimes approaching 1.00s!



#13 Shiroo

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:46

1:20? I'd say that 1:10-1:15 would be possible. So it is similar to Interlagos

#14 Zava

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:46

shows how much of a dog te F60 was :p
I'd love to see a lap on normal, and not on super hard demo tyres though.  ;)

#15 scheivlak

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:49

Isn't that still a problem though? The circuit is not the same as it used to be....

It's rebuilt again as it was before when it was the A1-Ring http://de.wikipedia....i/Red_Bull_Ring

#16 F1 Tor.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:01

Really nice flow to the track but seems too short to me now. Seems strange how F1 went to Austin this year, which had a tremendous race with over 250,000 people over the race weekend, but might want to go back to a place with a capacity of only 40,000. :confused: It wouldn't make any money. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

#17 Clatter

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:23

Really nice flow to the track but seems too short to me now. Seems strange how F1 went to Austin this year, which had a tremendous race with over 250,000 people over the race weekend, but might want to go back to a place with a capacity of only 40,000. :confused: It wouldn't make any money. I guess we'll find out soon enough.


As long as BE gets his fee he couldn't care less how many people turn up for the race.

#18 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:45

Track layout has hardly changed compared to 2003, last F1 race.

#19 encircled

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:54

Schumacher onboard 10 years ago

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#20 g1n

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 13:10

Screw it. This puppet version is nothing like original Österreichring.


Looks the same as A1 ring, and Gene also confirmed this.

#21 Anja

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 13:10

Screw it. This puppet version is nothing like original Österreichring.

True, but it's still better than ~1/3 of the current calendar.

#22 scheivlak

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 13:10

wow, I'd imagine laptimes approaching 1.00s!

Overall current F1 Q lap times are hardly faster than in 2003.
Fastest laps during the race are often slower!

#23 SPBHM

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 13:13

Pole lap in 2002
Driver Rubens Barrichello Ferrari
Time 1:08.082

Pole lap in Brazil 2002
Pole position
Driver Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW
Time 1:13.114

Pole lap Brazil 2012

Pole position
Driver Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
Time 1:12.458

should be around 1:06-1:08 with the current cars? it's a short lap, but it's probably not a big deal... the track seems nice, I think would be good to have a race there again.

#24 aditya-now

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 18:15

:D


This clip just goes to show what a beautiful circuit it was - even if it can't be compared with the original Österreichring...

#25 dau

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 18:43

Screw it. This puppet version is nothing like original Österreichring.

So what? The original Österreichring was last used by F1 in 1987. Did you complain in 1996 as well?

#26 Kucki

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 19:21

Watch Schumacher against Hakkinen



Schumacher against Montoya



#27 Disgrace

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 19:26

It's a short, simple but flowing circuit. It would contrast modern circuits that seem to be getting longer with numerous slow, tight endless corners. It would be refreshing.

Edited by Disgrace, 09 December 2012 - 19:26.


#28 SonnyViceR

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 19:53

F1 will not visit tracks with laptimes of only around 1:00.


:rolleyes: Seriously, what does it matter...

btw this track even with it's resurrected / more sterilized form has more grass and gravel left than 95% of the tracks on the GP calendar.

#29 tsk19xx

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 20:57

Hope this circuit makes a returns.
This is one circuit that doesn't need DRS to have good racing. Clown Tilke should study carefully why racing on this circuit work (short, flick corners followed by straights) and racing on his circuits doesn't (long neverending corners, that prevent cars from following close each other closely, followed by the straights).

#30 SonnyViceR

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 21:09

Clown Tilke should study carefully why racing on this circuit work (short, flick corners followed by straights) and racing on his circuits doesn't (long neverending corners, that prevent cars from following close each other closely, followed by the straights).


Tilke was the one who designed the post-Österreichring configuration... :wave:

IMO it's his only really good achievement. Sepang's okay-ish too I guess but the other venues bore me to death

Edited by SonnyViceR, 09 December 2012 - 21:10.


#31 olliek88

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 21:41

Hope this circuit makes a returns.
This is one circuit that doesn't need DRS to have good racing. Clown Tilke should study carefully why racing on this circuit work (short, flick corners followed by straights) and racing on his circuits doesn't (long neverending corners, that prevent cars from following close each other closely, followed by the straights).


:rotfl:

Thank you.

#32 chrisblades85

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:04

Hope this circuit makes a returns.
This is one circuit that doesn't need DRS to have good racing. Clown Tilke should study carefully why racing on this circuit work (short, flick corners followed by straights) and racing on his circuits doesn't (long neverending corners, that prevent cars from following close each other closely, followed by the straights).



Classic.

I actually hope it doesn't. I never really liked it.

#33 farsailor

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:11

Great track for overtaking!



#34 hogstar

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 22:54

I can't see this coming off, as I see Turkey being the favourite for 'Race 20'.

I don't recall many fans being particularly keen when it was the Tilke designed 'A1 Ring' when F1 was there before and the 'RedBullRing' is essentially the same track. The old Osterreichring configuration was lovely and picturesque, but even in the 1980's it was dangerous. I recall there was talk a few years back of incorporating some of the old track in a new design, but RedBull were put off by the expense. Ironically, had they of decided to go for the full revamp, it would have a much stronger chance of being on the F1 calendar.

#35 Fastcake

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 23:59

I can't see this coming off, as I see Turkey being the favourite for 'Race 20'.


The Turkish Grand Prix requires money from the government, which they've already said is not coming. The Austrian Grand Prix would be backed by Red Bull's billions on the track they own. I'd say that makes them the favourite.

#36 Brother Fox

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:13

Watch Schumacher against Hakkinen



Schumacher against Montoya


Schumacher also made a great pass on Barrichello in '02

#37 Craigster

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:25

The Turkish Grand Prix requires money from the government, which they've already said is not coming. The Austrian Grand Prix would be backed by Red Bull's billions on the track they own. I'd say that makes them the favourite.

There seems even to be preparations from Ecclestone to make the race happen:
http://uk.eurosport....-122203208.html

:love:

#38 Jimisgod

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:28

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not the best advertisement for a track... :lol:

#39 TheNewStig

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:39

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not the best advertisement for a track... :lol:

Why?It is for the team and their drivers this was most embarrassing.Also embarrassing for spectators,tv-wiewers,other teams,FIA,FOM and so on.
But for the track and their owners?No.

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#40 noikeee

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:04

Anyone has a map or photos to compare the current layout with the one last raced in F1 a few years ago?

From what I've read it's essentially the same, but I still wonder what did they change in the middle of all those abandoned plans then a reconstruction.

#41 Clatter

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:50

Anyone has a map or photos to compare the current layout with the one last raced in F1 a few years ago?

From what I've read it's essentially the same, but I still wonder what did they change in the middle of all those abandoned plans then a reconstruction.


This site is great for looking at the different track configurations over the years.
http://www.gdecarli.it

#42 noikeee

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:06

This site is great for looking at the different track configurations over the years.
http://www.gdecarli.it


Thanks for the link it'll go to my favorites as it's more up-to-date than the resource I usually check for track layouts: http://theracingline...racingcircuits/

But all it says about the Red Bull Ring is it's "nearly the same layout", there's no updated map...

#43 domenico

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:11

Here is official page:
http://www.projekt-spielberg.at/.
It includes all sort of activities in and around the race track during whole year.

#44 babbel

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:34

Hope this circuit makes a returns.
This is one circuit that doesn't need DRS to have good racing. Clown Tilke should study carefully why racing on this circuit work (short, flick corners followed by straights) and racing on his circuits doesn't (long neverending corners, that prevent cars from following close each other closely, followed by the straights).


Who do you think did the redesign of the A1-Ring back in 1996? :lol:

#45 eronrules

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 13:41

Bernie quashes Austria rumours

While the Red Bull's proposal seemed a possibility when the Turkish government voiced its unwillingness to support a Grand Prix in Istanbul, Ecclestone quickly quashed the rumours saying that he had not been in touch with Red Bull.

"I have spoken to no one about it," Ecclestone told Kleine Zeitung.

"Right now I'm thinking about Turkey to return to Istanbul."

Ecclestone also highlighted that lodging in Austria is a problem and added that it was not essential for the 20th race slot to be filled next year, adding that he expects to make a final decision "early next week".

"Right now I rather think that we will go in to next year with only 19 Grand Prix. That would be no problem for Formula One."


keep your fingers crossed folks, now that bernie has strongly denied it, the probability of it happening has gone up :smoking:

#46 BoschKurve

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 14:04

I'd still prefer the Osterreichring to come back in all it's glory.

But if this does happen, I will be happy. Istanbul has nothing on the A1 ring.

I'd love to see this circuit and Paul Ricard come back. Two fast and flowing circuits are much needed.

Edited by BoschKurve, 12 December 2012 - 14:05.


#47 spacekid

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 21:55

I'd be very happy to see a return to this picturesque circuit. I know its the on track action that matters, but I would love to see some more pretty scenery.

Also I'm pretty sick and tired of so many circuits now having these long straights then slooooow tight corners, I like to see some flowing fast circuits too.

#48 ed24f1

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 15:27

It would be really nice to see a return to this track, even if it's a one-off!

And it makes great logistical sense considering it's not too far from the race the next weekend in Budapest.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 15:41

:D


:up:


Perhaps it wil be back again! Montoya will not be back in Forumla One again tho..

#50 Der Pate

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:01

Just read this article, which is from the styrian website of the official TV-broadcaster ORF in Austria (which should be relevant)

http://steiermark.or...tories/2594346/

For those, who don´t speak german: The article says, that Dietrich Mateschitz (Red-Bull-owner and also owner of the Red-Bull-Ring in Spielberg, former A1-Ring, former Österreichring) and Bernie Ecclestone reached an agreement, that F1 returns to Austria. The date for the GP should be July the 6th 2014.