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#101 packapoo

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:46

Hope Ross is feeling nervous!

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#102 exmayol

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:52

I am surprised by amount of negative remarks towards Norbert in this thread. Give a guy a break. He is a real racing geek and has always been very diplomatic and supportive of his team.

#103 Sakae

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:18

This has been discussed plenty already. Consider it shorthand for "left by mutual agreement". In 99% of cases, that's what it usually is and is just a face-saving measure for both parties.

I do not quarrel with your assessment, and tend to agree that earmarks are there, but perhaps Haug is falling in that minority of cases, when this is exception. One cannot dismiss that we are here not talking about Benson / BBC style of announcements, but a reputable, conservative firm which always muted their public statements, thus I would consider this one quite normal. Haug was never known to talk as much as some other people in the paddock (Whitmarsh, Hembery, Marko, and LdM to name a few). At the end it is none of our business, but conceivably you cannot dismiss possibility that the man might have resigned from his own for numerous of reasons, such as health, frustration, family (after he heard what Schumacher had to say about missing his wife and kids), and there could be others, including some internal friction, all of which should slow you down with conclusion that he was asked to leave. We simply do not know.

Edited by Sakae, 14 December 2012 - 07:19.


#104 David Lightman

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:34

http://www.youtube.c...p;v=V9UU0b8m7Us

This is a video of Raikkonen's first pole and how I first came to be impressed by Haug, His passion for success and racing was very evident at the end of this video where he was overjoyed by Kimi's breakthrough and was cheering and pounding on the console at the pit wall. Hopefully he will be able to return to the pit wall sometime very soon.

This is a great pole lap video, no announcers just awesome racing sounds, horns and a cheering crowd!



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A great video and a stunning looking car. Is it me or does the guy in the cap right at the end look like Nico Rosberg??

#105 jstrains

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:43

I was surprised when I saw these news... not good news for Lewis :down:

Was that Nico Rosberg cheering at the end of the video?

Edited by jstrains, 14 December 2012 - 07:45.


#106 ivand911

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:08

Convincing the Mercedes board to buy a racing team when every other manufacturer was fleeing from F1 was a pretty incredible achievement.

It was right think to do, they just bought the wrong team.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:11

Sad news. I'll miss him F1. However, he probably still has enough motorsport business to do elsewhere.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:40

I was surprised when I saw these news... not good news for Lewis :down:


I would have to assume that this was decided some time ago and that everyone, including Lewis, knew the plans for 2013. This is just a good time to announce it, and start to reshuffle the team.

It would be worrying if Lewis did not know, though.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:45

It would be worrying if Lewis did not know, though.

For sure he didn't know about it. And he will start learning many other thinks that he also didn't know. Welcome at MGP.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:53

I would have to assume that this was decided some time ago and that everyone, including Lewis, knew the plans for 2013. This is just a good time to announce it, and start to reshuffle the team.

It would be worrying if Lewis did not know, though.


Lauda, who is meant to be the Chairman, claims he didnt know - so I dont expect to see in the press that LH knew.... but I doubt that in fact he knew back in September, cause I dont think that decision had been taken at that point.

Since 2009 LH has the worst luck of any top driver Ive ever seen.... wouldnt be surprised if this news has really bad ramifications for him. Haug would have been the link between LH and Dr Z. From what I have seen in the past Dr Z likes and highly rates LH but I dont if they are actually close like Deitrich is to SV or Luca is to FA..... put it this way, I dont know if LH could pick up the phone to Dr Z if he had a problem at Merc.... I suspect SV or FA could call Dietrich or Luca.... and to be fair Dr Z is running a much bigger organisation than the other two so a Haug figure is essential for Merc.... so this for LH is like FA losing Luca (perhaps for a guy who said sh1t about him in the past).... in real world terms for LH this has the potential to be a really bad development.

Edited by jjcale, 14 December 2012 - 09:00.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:06

This has been discussed plenty already. Consider it shorthand for "left by mutual agreement". In 99% of cases, that's what it usually is and is just a face-saving measure for both parties.


Its also shorthand for "lost a power struggle" ... which I think is more likely in his case since new senior people have joined and carved up his role - and he cant really be held responsible for Merc sucking... as others have said, that's Ross' fault.

Edited by jjcale, 14 December 2012 - 10:53.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:23

Was that Nico Rosberg cheering at the end of the video?

Yep, that's definitely him wearing Kimi Raikkonen cap

Edited by wiry, 14 December 2012 - 09:24.


#113 Bartel

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:45

Yep, that's definitely him wearing Kimi Raikkonen cap

No it isnt

#114 billm99uk

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 13:25

This is a catastrophe for the Photoshop and Caption Competition threads. Norby was one of the "regulars" there :cry:

#115 Fastcake

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 15:10

A pretty big difference.

Why, I recall when Ferrari came to the conclusion you couldn't quite call it a Ferrari when it was being designed in England.


No I still don't see any difference. It'll still be a Ferrari wherever it's made.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 15:26

Its also shorthand for "lost a power struggle" ... which I think is more likely in his case since new senior people have joined and carved up his role - and he cant really be held responsible for Merc sucking... as others have said, that's Ross' fault.


Agreed- I'm sure he had little interest in putting in the daily effort only for the fairly abrasive Lauda to occassionally stick his oar in via the board. It's said that Lauda negotiated with Ecclestone on Mercs behalf regarding the issues surrounding the new concorde agreement, and also swayed Hamilton into joining the team, so it appears Haug was already being sidelined to an extent. I don't think this will affect LH as adversley as some seem to think. It's just the loss of a known face to him in a new environment. He will hopefully build new relationships, otherwise without that his time at Merc wouldn't be successful anyway.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 16:01

Its also shorthand for "lost a power struggle" ... which I think is more likely in his case since new senior people have joined and carved up his role - and he cant really be held responsible for Merc sucking... as others have said, that's Ross' fault.


Yes, I can see where you are coming from with this.
But on the other hand, one would have to ask, who came up with the idea to hire/buy Brawn/Brawn GP in the first place?
And what did this person do, to get the situation back under control, after it became evident that some things din't quite go the
way it was envisioned.
It's a bit like a big football/soccer club firing their trainer after a bad season, or missing out on an important tournament. It's not the guy you did not score the important goal, who normally needs to go first, it's the trainer.

It's an interesting development, surely it looked very "add hoc", so I would not rule out some personally/health reasons (but I do hope that I'm wrong, and wish the guy the best for his future). Other then this, it looks like an stand off/power struggle on board level, with some strong ego's clashing, and no one willing/able to back down. I mean, that the team under performed, is not really "new", it's been like this for a while. So is this was the reason to dismiss him, it could have been done a bit more "elegant". Saying that after he turned 60, it was time to pass on the mantle etc. etc., stating some company policies, throw a farewell party at the last race, thank him and wish him all the best.
That would get him out of the way, but make everyone "look good/decent" at the same time, and open up the possibly to find a replacement, and hand over the running of the business in a more orderly fashion. Not only the F1 side, but DTM/F3 etc. as well.

The way it was done, seems to indicate a rather sudden development, either on a personal level on Haug's side, or on company (Daimler) side. Something like a hidden massive budget overrun, or some questionable expenses etc. etc.
Not saying that he did anything wrong/untoward, just pointing to some possible scenarios, which could result in such sudden decisions.
Maybe some of this will come to light over the next month.

Along the same lines, what do we make out of the changes at MHPE (new MD there as well), just a coincident not related to Haug's departure, or part of a more general management shake up across the whole F1 project?


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 16:13

I would have to assume that this was decided some time ago and that everyone, including Lewis, knew the plans for 2013. This is just a good time to announce it, and start to reshuffle the team.

It would be worrying if Lewis did not know, though.

I am not sure that even Norbert knew about it two months ago, especially when Lauda is taking credit for luring Lewis accross; even if Haug did had such plans, we do not know if Lewis was misled, misinformed, or he is merely a bystander to circumstances which have nothing to do with him. As said earlier, I hope he had more reasons to switch other than merely "I know Haug from the distance", thus I will have a one good life there.

Edited by Sakae, 14 December 2012 - 16:16.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 16:52

No I still don't see any difference. It'll still be a Ferrari wherever it's made.


This is just Tyrrell/BAR/Honda/Brawn GP with a silver paint job.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 17:09

The way it was done, seems to indicate a rather sudden development, either on a personal level on Haug's side, or on company (Daimler) side. Something like a hidden massive budget overrun, or some questionable expenses etc. etc.
Not saying that he did anything wrong/untoward, just pointing to some possible scenarios, which could result in such sudden decisions.
Maybe some of this will come to light over the next month.

Along the same lines, what do we make out of the changes at MHPE (new MD there as well), just a coincident not related to Haug's departure, or part of a more general management shake up across the whole F1 project?

Hm, could this possibly be that Mercedes wants to become more 'cynical' with customer engines and knew that Haug would not stand for it?


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 17:11

This is just Tyrrell/BAR/Honda/Brawn GP with a silver paint job.


If it's called a Mercedes, run by Mercedes, and owned by Mercedes, it's a Mercedes.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 17:53

I was surprised when I saw these news... not good news for Lewis :down:


I agree. This gotta be a first "slap in the face" or first "disappointment" for Lewis presented by Mercedes and the season hasn't even started yet :well: Norbert Haug was the man behind his career just like Ron and Martin, a well known face to him and I'm sure that when he heard this news he was very disappointed. It's a shame that they are already separated from the start, that is something that I wasn't expecting from Mercedes. Oh well, good luck to both of them.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 17:59

If it's called a Mercedes, run by Mercedes, and owned by Mercedes, it's a Mercedes.


Until they pull out and sell it all.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 18:16

German AMS is full of negative reactions of fans as well :wave:

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 18:16

Until they pull out and sell it all.



Until then though, it is a Mercedes. They have the money, the resources, the right staff, and the right drivers. If they can't make that work within a couple of years, they should pull out. So what exactly is your point here? Or maybe you have none.

Haug is not the scapegoat here, though I did think along those lines at first. If he accepted responsibility, then he did it because he had responsibility. He did it with dignity, too. As I said, he will be missed, whatever the results of the past three seasons were.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 18:50

I agree. This gotta be a first "slap in the face" or first "disappointment" for Lewis presented by Mercedes and the season hasn't even started yet :well: Norbert Haug was the man behind his career just like Ron and Martin, a well known face to him and I'm sure that when he heard this news he was very disappointed. It's a shame that they are already separated from the start, that is something that I wasn't expecting from Mercedes. Oh well, good luck to both of them.


Anything that results in a better team structure should be welcomed by Lewis. I am sure he was promised a whole new approach and you have to be ruthless to win. The real question is - will this work? Losing Norbert is one thing but the role of Niki Lauda would be of much greater concern to me.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 19:39

Until then though, it is a Mercedes. They have the money, the resources, the right staff, and the right drivers. If they can't make that work within a couple of years, they should pull out. So what exactly is your point here? Or maybe you have none.

Haug is not the scapegoat here, though I did think along those lines at first. If he accepted responsibility, then he did it because he had responsibility. He did it with dignity, too. As I said, he will be missed, whatever the results of the past three seasons were.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 19:44

I do not quarrel with your assessment, and tend to agree that earmarks are there, but perhaps Haug is falling in that minority of cases, when this is exception. One cannot dismiss that we are here not talking about Benson / BBC style of announcements, but a reputable, conservative firm which always muted their public statements, thus I would consider this one quite normal. Haug was never known to talk as much as some other people in the paddock (Whitmarsh, Hembery, Marko, and LdM to name a few). At the end it is none of our business, but conceivably you cannot dismiss possibility that the man might have resigned from his own for numerous of reasons, such as health, frustration, family (after he heard what Schumacher had to say about missing his wife and kids), and there could be others, including some internal friction, all of which should slow you down with conclusion that he was asked to leave. We simply do not know.


If this is true, then why not be forthcoming with the reason?

The fact there isn't a real reason speaks volumes IMO.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 19:49

If this is true, then why not be forthcoming with the reason?

The fact there isn't a real reason speaks volumes IMO.


you seem to be slightly misinformed.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 20:11

If it's called a Mercedes, run by Mercedes, and owned by Mercedes, it's a Mercedes.


Why, that clearly wasn't the case with those Ilmor engines even though they had nice Mercedes valve covers on them.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 21:45

[quote name='Szoelloe' date='Dec 14 2012, 18:16' post='6073372']
Until then though, it is a Mercedes. They have the money, the resources, the right staff, and the right drivers. If they can't make that work within a couple of years, they should pull out. So what exactly is your point here? Or maybe you have none.

Bit like their effort in the 30's then isn't it?
I mean with all this; 'the money, the resources, the right stuff - sorry, scratch that typo (clearly the right stuff's missing), the right staff and the right drivers' (although I find that bit rather dubious). Never mind.

And what about their 50's effort?
Pretty much came, saw, conquered; game set and match. Nothing wrong with that, once objective achieved packed up and stayed home.

Then we come to the sad parody of what the once nigh unbeatable marque has become.
Yet you want to stretch it 'a couple of years'?

How much more pain do you suppose the Board can expose themselves too?
Haug's gone. Pretty safe bet he got them in and then prolonged the ensuing parody. No brainer, he had to exit.

If the play doesn't achieve this season, fairly overwhelmingly, they'll be gone.
Perhaps then Brawn can try a Lazarus.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 21:56

If this is true, then why not be forthcoming with the reason?

The fact there isn't a real reason speaks volumes IMO.

New tone is emerging (at least for me it is) from latest response to media by Haug, while trying to dispel notion that Lauda was behind this decision. A Crash.net article sounds more concrete about reasons why he is leaving, which is not health, thanks God, but acceptance of personal responsibility for poor team results. Maybe it was combination of several factors, but this one is loud and clear. Now, whether Haug faced the board and submitted a letter of resignation from his own initiative, or what else went on in that meeting is a matter of speculations.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 22:56

Can someone explain to me why Niki Lauda is even involved in the team at all? What does he contribute?

I'll miss Haug - one of those individuals I really liked in F1.

Edited by Alx09, 14 December 2012 - 22:56.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 00:00

Can someone explain to me why Niki Lauda is even involved in the team at all? What does he contribute?

I'll miss Haug - one of those individuals I really liked in F1.


Apparently, he became involved, when Haug/Brawn/Fry could not reach agreement with FOM/Bernie for the new Concord Agreement.
The board of Daimler brought him (Lauda) in as an external consultant, to cut a deal with his old amigo Bernie on behalf of Mercedes.
After he got them that deal, he seemed to be sticking around, being made chairman of the board of directors at MGP.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:04

Apparently, he became involved, when Haug/Brawn/Fry could not reach agreement with FOM/Bernie for the new Concord Agreement.
The board of Daimler brought him (Lauda) in as an external consultant, to cut a deal with his old amigo Bernie on behalf of Mercedes.
After he got them that deal, he seemed to be sticking around, being made chairman of the board of directors at MGP.

None-executive director.(Wiki explains sufficiently what that title represents). Lauda himself, in some interviews, is not considering this role as a full time job for him, hich leaves me gasping for air. I am of course speculating, but I take it that he is now a rudder for the board (F1 steering "committee"), rather than being involved on day-to-day operations. Added speculation on my part is, that Haug weighted all factors, this being one of them, and has not bought into this concept as a workable and tolerable solution for him.

Edited by Sakae, 15 December 2012 - 09:07.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:15

None-executive director.(Wiki explains sufficiently what that title represents). Lauda himself, in some interviews, is not considering this role as a full time job for him, hich leaves me gasping for air. I am of course speculating, but I take it that he is now a rudder for the board (F1 steering "committee"), rather than being involved on day-to-day operations. Added speculation on my part is, that Haug weighted all factors, this being one of them, and has not bought into this concept as a workable and tolerable solution for him.


Does that leave a space for Schumacher to be involved with the team, then, or will he just drift away into the sidelines?

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:27

Does that leave a space for Schumacher to be involved with the team, then, or will he just drift away into the sidelines?

I am not sure, but basic question is, if he wants to be involved? My instinct tells me, that not really. He has learned probably a lesson or two with Ferrari, and I can't see drivers cooperating with him at all. Language Brawn used recently was fuzzy, but in some minor way indicative that Schumacher likes performace cars, and might be perhaps in some role linked to AMG division (yet to be defined), but perhaps not directly to F1 operations. IMO he would be crazy even to try it for 2013 with Haug gone, and Lauda riding a broom stick.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:39

I am not sure, but basic question is, if he wants to be involved? My instinct tells me, that not really. He has learned probably a lesson or two with Ferrari, and I can't see drivers cooperating with him at all. Language Brawn used recently was fuzzy, but in some minor way indicative that Schumacher likes performace cars, and might be perhaps in some role linked to AMG division (yet to be defined), but perhaps not directly to F1 operations. IMO he would be crazy even to try it for 2013 with Haug gone, and Lauda riding a broom stick.


You're right, actually. He has little to gain from being involved with the F1 team and doesn't need it.

#139 TheNewStig

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:44

Is merce testing Raoul Silva's theory about rats?I set my bet on Lauda then.

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#140 BoschKurve

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 14:43

Is merce testing Raoul Silva's theory about rats?I set my bet on Lauda then.


Just look at when Lauda ran Jaguar into the ground and got an 8 figure payday out of it.

I'd expect something similar to occur here.

#141 cokeb

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 18:19

Guess someone had to fall on his sword for the lack of results.

Too bad it was Norby. :(

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 18:52

Guess someone had to fall on his sword for the lack of results.

Too bad it was Norby. :(


It seems he took the fall for Brawn, or if you want to look at it from a different perspective, fro the team. It is a constant problem of mine, not having any information coming out of this team. I really don't know exactly what Haug's function in the team was. If he had an active role in the operation itself, he is sure to have a certain level of responsibility in the marked lack of success so far. If he was only channeling the money to the team, and he did not play an active role in the operation itself, he still has a certain level of responsibility, by corporate standards. If he says 'somebody had to take the blame', for me, it means he gave Brawn another season to break through. From the outside, he looked to be a bystander. It is said that Merc has been trying to poach Horner, unsuccessfully. I don't know though when this happened. I still have faith in Brawn, but he sure seems to be lost at sea in his present role. I think he has the next season to come through. I would say it was Haug who put the deal on the table in 2009, and failed to deliver on it. As I said, he has done this with dignity, IMHO, and maybe he did not have any other options. Time will tell if he was the victim of unlucky circumstances, or his bad judgement.

#143 eronrules

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 19:18

Haug: Someone had to go

While Haug insists that the decision was by mutual consent, he admits that results where the deciding factor in the decision.

"There is always somebody who has to accept overall responsibility," he told German news agency SID.

"Of course we have had our successes in the past three years, but not consistently enough so a direction had to be set and a marker laid down."

There has been speculation that Haug's departure was as a result of Niki Lauda's arrival at the team in October as non-executive chairman.

However, Haug has refuted such suggestions.

"I would like to once again make it clear that this is a decision that the board and myself reached jointly by mutual agreement," he said.

"Niki had absolutely nothing to do with it. We get on and respect each other just like we have done for many years and that is not about to change."


makes one wonder, all those bad years in Mclaren did nothing, but 2 bad years in mercedes (which i believe he wasn't responsible, brawn and the brackley team are the real culprits) made boffins at mercedes tick ....

#144 garoidb

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 19:39

makes one wonder, all those bad years in Mclaren did nothing, but 2 bad years in mercedes (which i believe he wasn't responsible, brawn and the brackley team are the real culprits) made boffins at mercedes tick ....


The McLaren years were comparatively successful, so don't try to pretend they are comparable with what has been going on with the Brackley Mercedes team.

#145 Risil

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 19:52

Yes. From 1997 on, Mclaren-Mercedes only spent 2002, half of 2004, 2006 and 2009 away from the front. Their performance in 2003, the second half of 2004, 2007 and 2010 suggest that they were confident that they could use results and not scapegoats to ward off criticism.

Enter Brawn/Mercedes...

Edited by Risil, 15 December 2012 - 19:53.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 20:17

It seems he took the fall for Brawn, or if you want to look at it from a different perspective, fro the team. It is a constant problem of mine, not having any information coming out of this team. I really don't know exactly what Haug's function in the team was. If he had an active role in the operation itself, he is sure to have a certain level of responsibility in the marked lack of success so far. If he was only channeling the money to the team, and he did not play an active role in the operation itself, he still has a certain level of responsibility, by corporate standards. If he says 'somebody had to take the blame', for me, it means he gave Brawn another season to break through. From the outside, he looked to be a bystander. It is said that Merc has been trying to poach Horner, unsuccessfully. I don't know though when this happened. I still have faith in Brawn, but he sure seems to be lost at sea in his present role. I think he has the next season to come through. I would say it was Haug who put the deal on the table in 2009, and failed to deliver on it. As I said, he has done this with dignity, IMHO, and maybe he did not have any other options. Time will tell if he was the victim of unlucky circumstances, or his bad judgement.

Brawn is not yet in the clear. Haug was a peg; buck stopped with him! Haug's replacement with Lauda will decide what to do next with Brawn and others, if anything. Analogically Firestone once was involved in a scandal of a sort, and since Bridge was their owner, chief executive in Japan resigned in disgrace (over something what happened in US), since buck stopped with him. I think you get a point. I am still not sure what exactly happened, and reasons for that decision, but that's private matter. He is gone, and system is vibrating with yet another disturbance. Good luck with 2013.

Edited by Sakae, 15 December 2012 - 20:18.


#147 garoidb

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 20:24

Brawn is not yet in the clear. Haug was a peg; buck stopped with him! Haug's replacement with Lauda will decide what to do next with Brawn and others, if anything. Analogically Firestone once was involved in a scandal of a sort, and since Bridge was their owner, chief executive in Japan resigned in disgrace (over something what happened in US), since buck stopped with him. I think you get a point. I am still not sure what exactly happened, and reasons for that decision, but that's private matter. He is gone, and system is vibrating with yet another disturbance. Good luck with 2013.


Could Brawn leave of his own accord? He must be a wealthy man, and would have other options if he wanted them. If higher levels at Mercedes (e.g. through Lauda) were to start interfering excessively with the running of the team, then surely he would walk.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 20:28

Brawn took Mercedes's money and relinquished control and then later (2011?) his entire stake in the team. He's replaceable, at least theoretically.

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#149 eronrules

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 20:31

Brawn took Mercedes's money and relinquished control and then later (2011?) his entire stake in the team. He's replaceable, at least theoretically.


the problem is, firing Brawn will be a disaster, both in racing term and publicity term, this team is still thankful to brawn for rescuing it during honda pullout saga and not to mention Brawn's power in F1 paddock, but i'm guessing there has already been warning shots fired towards him as well.



#150 Szoelloe

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 20:33

Brawn is not yet in the clear. Haug was a peg; buck stopped with him! Haug's replacement with Lauda will decide what to do next with Brawn and others, if anything. Analogically Firestone once was involved in a scandal of a sort, and since Bridge was their owner, chief executive in Japan resigned in disgrace (over something what happened in US), since buck stopped with him. I think you get a point. I am still not sure what exactly happened, and reasons for that decision, but that's private matter. He is gone, and system is vibrating with yet another disturbance. Good luck with 2013.


Huh?? Where the hell did you get the idea that Haug was replaced by Lauda? Lauda is nobody at Merc. He has a part-time window-shop job at Mercedes, more PR related than anything else. Was a pretty weak point of this team anyway. At least he will supply some tid-bits to chew on, not the dry droid-like communiqu├ęs the team has supplied us so far. He ssems to be set to have a Marko-like role. Barking loudly when necessary. He is no replacement in any way to Haug, IMHO. You speculate too much. Haug, as he said himself, whent down because Mercedes is unsuccessful.