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#51 ayali

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 14:17

well RG is already 30 mins behind, wonder what stopped him.

Way to start your Dakar, getting stuck on a sand dune in a silly 8km stage.
On top of that the time he lost was multiplied x3 so he's now 30 min. behind

I agree with Jp (shock) but that Kirby dude is really positively SH!TE

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#52 condor

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 14:40

Carlton is the voice of the Dakar and has been for ages - wouldn't be the same without him.

I managed to catch the 10pm rally stage 1 last night...hoped for a repeat this morning but some live skiing was on instead. Will have to make a note of Phil's post as to what screenings are on at 0730 ( I find this a useful time to watch TV whilst enjoying breakfast).

#53 pingu666

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 16:04

i think the 3 times thing is pretty fake :|, i dont see a need for it, was to "spread the competitors" out according to calton, but that doesnt mean much really as they start the competitors 30sec - 2mins apart anyways on the road, and that just leaves the leaderboard being more compressed which is no big deal?

or you could just have a 39km stage instead.

the buggies where quicker than i thought they would be

#54 pingu666

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 16:16



#55 loki

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 21:13

i think the 3 times thing is pretty fake :|, i dont see a need for it, was to "spread the competitors" out according to calton, but that doesnt mean much really as they start the competitors 30sec - 2mins apart anyways on the road, and that just leaves the leaderboard being more compressed which is no big deal?

or you could just have a 39km stage instead.

the buggies where quicker than i thought they would be


I agree that the time multiplier is non sporting. They should have had a proper stage. I think the real test of the buggies will be when they start to run full stages day after day.


#56 condor

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 22:10

Stage 2 was supposed to have been shown 10 mins ago - instead we have some load of rubbish instead on Eurosport

#57 pingu666

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 22:32

the 2 wheel drives shouldnt be so fast on the wrc style stages, or if it rains.

robbys plan was to build a lead in the opening stages and hope to hold the mini's off later in the rally :(



#58 H2H

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 23:23

the 2 wheel drives shouldnt be so fast on the wrc style stages, or if it rains.

robbys plan was to build a lead in the opening stages and hope to hold the mini's off later in the rally :(


Now I can sleep more easily  ;)

Liked the stages so far. Still anything can happen.

#59 pingu666

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 23:54

im hoping the toyota's and others can beat the mini's, dont like the mini's :/


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#60 pingu666

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:34




oh i think the us vs them thing (notice the french flag on them) relates to the curious things that happened last year, with the aso, and peterhansel, also depress on the bikes being unsporting and getting away with it too, a lil bit.




#61 MadYarpen

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:11

Valmar Viisel ‏@paddocknews

RT @Grouve_Sport NEWS: Carlos Sainz wins SS2 in Dakar!! (not Peterhansel) Sainz also overall leader.. #Dakar #redbull #sainz

is it because of GPS issue?

#62 Gfhuus

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:50

Valmar Viisel ‏@paddocknews

RT @Grouve_Sport NEWS: Carlos Sainz wins SS2 in Dakar!! (not Peterhansel) Sainz also overall leader.. #Dakar #redbull #sainz

is it because of GPS issue?


Now on autosport as well. Apparently Sainz's systems were working fine but organizers' weren't.

#63 petercar41

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 13:40

http://gaps.dakar.co...e-03/aso/es.php


...bikes today after 2nd control point, general clasf.:

Pos. N° Nombre Marca Tiempo Variación Penalización
1 005 BARREDA BORT (ESP) HUSQVARNA 004:12:31 00:00:00
2 001 DESPRES (FRA) KTM 004:15:09 00:02:38 00:00:00
3 010 CASTEU (FRA) YAMAHA 004:15:39 00:03:08 00:00:00
4 008 ULLEVALSETER (NOR) KTM 004:17:53 00:05:22 00:00:00
5 092 ISRAEL ESQUERRE (CHL) HONDA 004:18:14 00:05:43 00:00:00
6 009 PAIN (FRA) YAMAHA 004:19:34 00:07:03 00:00:00
7 183 QUINTANILLA (CHL) HONDA 004:19:45 00:07:14 00:00:00
8 037 CURTIS (ZAF) KTM 004:20:04 00:07:33 00:00:00
9 004 VILADOMS (ESP) HUSQVARNA 004:20:08 00:07:37 00:00:00
10 007 LOPEZ CONTARDO (CHL) KTM 004:21:45 00:09:14 00:00:00
11 003 RODRIGUES (PRT) HONDA 004:21:51 00:09:20 00:00:00
12 012 PEDRERO GARCIA (ESP) KTM 004:22:36 00:10:05 00:00:00
13 029 CASELLI (USA) KTM 004:22:42 00:10:11 00:00:00
14 039 FISH (AUS) HUSQVARNA 004:23:26 00:10:55 00:00:00
15 045 RODRIGUEZ (CHL) HONDA 004:23:31 00:11:00 00:00:00


#64 pingu666

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 15:20

wonder if others will ask to be investigated, carlos was by no means alone in the waypoint issues...

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 15:43

Patricio Cabrera's save during stage two yesterday:

Edited by dank, 07 January 2013 - 15:43.


#66 Crazy Canuck

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 17:15

wonder if others will ask to be investigated, carlos was by no means alone in the waypoint issues...


I was thinking they should scrap the entire stage results because the organizers admitted their equipment was faulty.

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#67 Risil

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 17:16

:up:

I like the little turn of the head after he's got it back under control, to check that someone saw him. :D

Edited by Risil, 07 January 2013 - 17:17.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 17:34

Francesc Termens ‏@FrancescTermens
Autos: Holowczyc accidenté au Km 40. #dakar2013


HOLOWCZYC was involved in accident :( Looks like he was hurt and needed medical assistance ! #dakar2013


Shame :(

#69 MadYarpen

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 18:02

they took him to the hospital, he had pain in back and ribs. :(

#70 Shiroo

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 18:28

confirmed broken ribs and spine injury

#71 pingu666

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 18:32

spine :( :( :(

nassar's buggy is surprisingly quick, leading robby but stage not complete

#72 pingu666

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 18:44



30+ competitors doing circles looking for waypoint, even some of the bikes still

thats really odd




#73 stuck-in-first-gear

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:23

One of my colleagues has entered the bike competition.

It is his first Dakar and he is one of only two guys to ride a BMW - his goal is obviously to make it til the end :)


Had some engine problems during the second stage and had to retire - guess that's the reason nobody's keen on BMWs... :|

#74 Shiroo

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:29

Had some engine problems during the second stage and had to retire - guess that's the reason nobody's keen on BMWs... :|

aren't BMWs too fragile for such environment, like dust, temperature, humidity and stress?

#75 AyrtonSauna

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:48

The Presence of Carlos Sainz with Gott navigator in an underdeveloped Buggy has increased my interest OMH this Dakar.
50 + years and leading after 2 stages he still knows how to drive!

#76 MadYarpen

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:23

sainz got dropped down, gps worked fine organizers say...

#77 Rafo

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 16:24

Each vehicle has two GPS systems, precisely for this situations. After detailed overbnight review of the equipment, organizers say that Sainz second GPS was working fine and could have being used to find the Waypoint, but was apparently being used for "other purposes" (???), so they revert their initial decision and reinstate the 20+ minutes he lost finding the waypoint :(

...what other puposes you can use a GPS for? making coffee in the desert?

#78 jonpollak

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 17:03

Robbie looks DONE..
http://www.youtube.c...;v=wBadUb6P4uA#!

Jp

#79 pingu666

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 19:54

yeah hes some 5 hours down, that flop punctured a radiator or two :(
feel gutted :(

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#80 Garagiste

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 16:54

:cry: http://www.bbc.co.uk...merica-20975025

#81 H2H

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 18:46

:cry: http://www.bbc.co.uk...merica-20975025


That was exactly not the news I was hoping for when I was checking this thread. :cry:

RIP and speedy recovery.

#82 dweller23

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 16:02

After a whole year I almost forgot how Peterhansel really is. The fact that he didn't help his teammate, Roma, was incredibly low. Does Peterhansel even understand word "team"?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 22:35

Eurosport prog delayed again - nothing live has overshot either...just the WATTS fill-in :yawnface:

eta At last !

Edited by condor, 11 January 2013 - 22:44.


#84 philhitchings

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:24

Thomas Bourgin 25 killed :(

#85 condor

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 22:13

Eurosport delayed again. The same top 10 fill in as last night.
There was supposed to be a live show earlier on Eurosport2 - which also wasn't shown when advertised...don't know if it was on later, I gave up with it.
Seems like it's starting now.

#86 kosmic33

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 22:52

Anyone any idea what they've decided to do with the times for the cars for todays stage?

#87 MadYarpen

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 22:59

the question is whether they will make decision that gives peterhansel 1h advantage...

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 00:13

the question is whether they will make decision that gives peterhansel 1h advantage...

Probably.

Cant see him gettin punished for his navigational error anyway......

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:06

By the way, what happened to the trucks? Was the stage completely cancelled for them? There was no mention in Eurosport highlights and there are no results posted on the Dakar site...

#90 MadYarpen

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:06

on eurosport they said "trucks were not running at all today"

The times and rankings for the Cars section of the 2013 Dakar have been adjusted after yesterday's rain which led to Stage 8 being neutralized after 86km.

Stéphane Peterhansel in his Monster X-Raid All4Racing MINI leads Nasser Al-Attiyah in his Qatar Red Bull Buggy by 3 minutes 14 seconds: Giniel De Villiers is third +44:03, Eduard Novistkiy fourth +48:54 and Guerlain Chicherit fifth 1:04.50.

Chicherit was one of only 5 competitors to complete the stage before the neutralization, and his winning time - he was 12 minutes 15 fastest than Peterhansel - has been reflected in the adjusted times.

David Casteu of France on a 450 YZF Rally Yamaha now leads the Bikes, Marcos Patronelli and Gerard De Rooy the Quads and Trucks respectively.

http://irallylive.co...ws.htm?00002747
could have been worse.

Edited by MadYarpen, 13 January 2013 - 11:07.


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:46

Funny thing that all were given Peterhansel's time, because this means that Roma actually got screwed over by 3 minutes, since his time at the end of S8 was 3 minutes worse than Peterhansel's.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 13:33

Eurosport delayed again. The same top 10 fill in as last night.
There was supposed to be a live show earlier on Eurosport2 - which also wasn't shown when advertised...don't know if it was on later, I gave up with it.
Seems like it's starting now.

I saw some of the live show on Eurosport GB; they said the delays with the nightly prog is due to waiting for live events to finish on Eurosport international.

#93 philhitchings

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 18:22

It's so common for the Dakar to have timing problems and there's no easy solution to a situation where some vehicles complete a stage before the stage is shut down. I think they went with the keep the leader in front but make sure his challengers stay in touch.

As for Eurosport.... Loving the coverage but not enjoying the faffing around that has ended up with the end of the show being cut or missing a show altogether :(

#94 jonpollak

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 20:09

Just popped in to say...

CARLTON KIRBY is an ASSHAT of gargantuan proportions
Jp

#95 philhitchings

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 22:27

Oh JP!! IMO he does a really good job. Compared to Bob Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmm
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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee **** face; he's a really thorough and considered commentator.

#96 kosmic33

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 00:14

Just popped in to say...

CARLTON KIRBY is an ASSHAT of gargantuan proportions
Jp

During yesterdays highlights to finish his interview Nasser said something along the lines of "I dont know if it is better to be the rabbit or the fox"
Which Carlton followed up with "What about being the pigeon" :drunk:


#97 Risil

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 00:21

During yesterdays highlights to finish his interview Nasser said something along the lines of "I dont know if it is better to be the rabbit or the fox"
Which Carlton followed up with "What about being the pigeon" :drunk:


Well I lol-ed.

Pigeons being Nasser's gravest enemy, as an Olympic skeet shooter.

#98 philhitchings

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:44

Well I lol-ed.

Pigeons being Nasser's gravest enemy, as an Olympic skeet shooter.


:up:

Edited by philhitchings, 14 January 2013 - 06:44.


#99 condor

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 22:09

Tonight's highlights delayed by the snooker.


eta at last the snooker is over and the prog has now started!


Edited by condor, 14 January 2013 - 23:44.


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#100 pingu666

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 20:33

the guy who does the aussie coverage is horribly annoying... far more than coltan :p