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#51 InfectedPumpkin

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:44

Big engines and good looking cars!

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#52 MrFondue

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:54

the tracks are getting duller and duller...


Old Hockenheim was one of the dullest tracks ever. There's a reason most drivers didn't like it.


#53 GSiebert

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:56

Good looking cars
V8,V10,V12
Big rear slicks, narrower fronts.
Engines blowing up.
Tire war
Grass and gravel traps
Sport (instead of show)
One hour qualifying sessions
Hakkinen

#54 DrF

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:16

JPM, he should NEVER have gone to McLaren.

#55 UPRC

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:35

Drivers: Olivier Panis, Robert Kubica.
Old Hockenheim.
Murray Walker's commentary.
Pre-Red Bull domination.
Williams as a top team.

#56 fasteR

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 13:53

I miss when pilots had no radio. Very much.

#57 Szoelloe

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 14:18

I miss when pilots had no radio. Very much.


That's funny. That was before the Cro Magnon cavemen.


#58 darkkis

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 14:24

That's funny. That was before the Cro Magnon cavemen.

I guess he meant when the radio messages weren't broadcasted on tv. :rotfl:

#59 maximilian

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 14:32

Gravel traps, and cars going off course with REAL CONSEQUENCES.

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#60 fasteR

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 15:52

That's funny. That was before the Cro Magnon cavemen.


So when was the radio communication between the pilot and the team first introduced? (not the broadcasting)

I thought it was post 90's. If not, why drivers were always doing all sort of signs to their pitwall during the race pre 90's? I'm curious now :blush:

#61 string158

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 15:52

Gravel traps, and cars going off course with REAL CONSEQUENCES.


This. Drivers who were good enough to push to the limit lap after lap when one tiny error would end their race.

T cars & guys sprinting back to the pits after a red flagged first corner.

Normal front wings, not these daft wide ones.

When teams turned up at the beginning of a season with something completely different and slightly mad. 6 wheels, fans to suck the car onto the track etc.

Massive fat rear tyres.

When they were actually allowed to race on full wets.

Edited by string158, 21 December 2012 - 15:55.


#62 Szoelloe

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 16:11

So when was the radio communication between the pilot and the team first introduced? (not the broadcasting)

I thought it was post 90's. If not, why drivers were always doing all sort of signs to their pitwall during the race pre 90's? I'm curious now :blush:


I don't know exactly, but AFAIK should be sometime in the '70s. Pit board is still a must though.


#63 Rubens Hakkamacher

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 16:24

V10s, V12s, engines that sounded different from each other.

Big tires.

Heel to toe.

Cool looking cars.

Our current crop of drivers are excellent, it's a shame they have to drive cars that are so aesthetically gnarly.






#64 MattPete

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:15

30+ cars and drivers vying for 26 grid slots in qualifying and pre-qualifying. New teams taking a shot at it without having to go through this ridiculous franchise system, and actually having a chance at being reasonably competitive, even pulling off the odd surprise.


Amen!

#65 Desdirodeabike

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:22

I miss:

-The piercing howl of the V10s. Actually I dont mind the cars going turbo. But we need more horsepower dammit! 750 is what the road Ferraris have now. We need 900 hp at least! Its F1 for Petes sake.

-When there was no fuss over being "green" or not. I couldnt care less if an F1 car is fuel efficient or not. Gimme a break.

-The revolutionary active suspension on the Williams FW14B. Would have loved to see where it could go. What really was possible.

-The Magny-Cours track. I actually think it would be a great venue for racing under the current regulations.

#66 Les

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 18:32

A lot of things mentioned here: Different engines, unreliable cars, sparks.

I also miss Berger and Alesi in V12 Ferrari's, Imola and even though he was only around the first couple of years I watched F1 James Hunt.

#67 Tombstone

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 19:29

I miss the V6 turbos of the 80s. (oooh, hang on...)

Also: ground effects, national - or at least team - colours, cockpits where one could see the drivers sawing at the wheel, manual gear changes, 'stoneage' aerodynamics, (combinations of) V12 vs V10 vs V8 vs V8t vs V6t vs I4t engines, cars that visibly use their suspension, when the quickest way around a corner was oversteer with a 'dab of oppo', a time before wings were de rigueur, drivers 'aving a fag just before the start, a green light starting the race, Murray Walker & James Hunt commentating, sideburns, drivers fighting, durex sponsorship, front engine gp cars, drivers finishing a race with oil-stained faces, when men in white lab coats nhs specs and smoking pipes designed cars with a slide rule - not some salad-eating tw@t staring at a computer monitor, Watkins Glen, Kyalami, Brands Hatch, annual budgets of ~£1M, real innovation, pre wind tunnel aero testing with tufts of wool stuck all over the car, 'snake-nest' exhaust pipes and 'trumpet' inlet pipes, a surfeit of power over grip, Jenks, mechanics wearing jeans and t-shirts, when Japan was the only race outside of europe or the Americas, a time before gutless political correctness and the voice of youth, pounds shillings and pence, national service, when Britain had proper aircraft carriers and a far eastern air force, TSR2, Concorde, Moon landings, local shops that sold everything one needed, decent TV at Christmas, when penny chews really did cost a penny, BRM, Brabham, Colin Chapman, Bruce McLaren, orange-painted 500 cu in Can-Am McLarens that shook the earth and made your ears bleed, engines that rumbled with sub-bass not screamed like a demented baby on acid, Gordon Murray's next 'big idea', Gold Leaf Lotus 49s, Jim Clark, tracks without chicanes, old Spa, cheap petrol, Ronald Reagan as POTUS & Margaret Thatcher as PM.

Edited by Tombstone, 22 December 2012 - 10:47.


#68 Crazy Canuck

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 19:43

Pretty cars.

#69 Disgrace

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 19:51

This combination of driver, car, sound and circuit.

#70 R Soul

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 00:05

I miss the days when everything was pushed to the limit. The drivers have always driven to the limit of the tyres, but these days the tyres' limit is so much lower than the limit of the suspension, gearbox, engine, and driver. The mandatory rev limit also gets in the way. The teams just about worked out how to make the transmission cope with 19-20000 rpm, so when they went back to 18000, it must have been a doddle.

#71 Paa

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 00:15

Schumi
refueling

#72 JacnGille

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 01:30

Cars that you can identify even without being painted.

#73 vashlin

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 02:14

Drivers helmets that were instantly recognizable emblems and not weekly fashion statements.

#74 alfa1

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:31


Front and rear wings whose size was proportionally balanced.


#75 Dolph

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 10:50

Sorry for stealing some ideas, but I agree with them,

- Beginning of '90s body shapes. Those were almost brought back for 2013 but will be in 2014!? At least the noses
- Williams gunning for wins
- Pretty Benetton cars
- A Senna like driver - controversial but loved
- The long Hockenheim ( I love the short one too)
- Sparks
- Kubica


#76 Nick Planas

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 12:07

So when was the radio communication between the pilot and the team first introduced? (not the broadcasting)

I thought it was post 90's. If not, why drivers were always doing all sort of signs to their pitwall during the race pre 90's? I'm curious now :blush:


I seem to recall Senna trying out the radio in the mid-80s at Spa, in the Lotus. I remember everyone's amazement that he could talk his way round a lap whilst setting a highly competitive time - and it was raining too I think. It was briefly broadcast on the beeb. It'd be great if anyone can find the clip and bung it onto YouTube

#77 sheepgobba

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 12:27

The V10s and when Cars looked like 2006-2008.


#78 olliek88

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 12:39

Drivers who aren't afraid to say it as it is without worrying about the PR departments response.



#79 LaoTze

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 14:18

Drivers who aren't afraid to say it as it is without worrying about the PR departments response.


:up:

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#80 fasteR

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 18:30

I seem to recall Senna trying out the radio in the mid-80s at Spa, in the Lotus. I remember everyone's amazement that he could talk his way round a lap whilst setting a highly competitive time - and it was raining too I think. It was briefly broadcast on the beeb. It'd be great if anyone can find the clip and bung it onto YouTube


I think also that's around the 85's but in this article http://www.thepaddoc...ns-at-formula-1 , they say it began in 1993.
Not sure if that man created the radio transmission between pilots and teams or he just globalized it though.

edit: confirmed it appeared first in 85/86. I found that Ferrari finally implemented the system to its car in Detroit 86, so you were probably spot on :up:

Edited by fasteR, 22 December 2012 - 23:24.


#81 MP422

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 21:21

When they could drive flat out.

#82 Skinnyguy

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 21:46

Grass starting inmediately where curbs ends, and then gravel. Low and wide rear wings. The times where I didn´t have the stupid habit of reading others´ ridiculous opinions on forums. :blush:

#83 king_crud

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 23:18

I think also that's around the 85's but in this article http://www.thepaddoc...ns-at-formula-1 , they say it began in 1993.
Not sure if that man created the radio transmission between pilots and teams or he just globalized it though.


in 1993 they were sending computer messages between cars and pits to control suspension, traction, engine etc. Radio was well established by this point

#84 mjspeed

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 23:41

In the Grand Prix Gold articles on the Autosport homepage earlier this year, I think it was the 1986 Monaco GP report which mentioned that McLaren hadn't yet sorted its pit to car radio system.

There's also footage on the 1987 F1 review video of Senna talking on the radio at Spa to Peter Warr about the weather

#85 Turn 1

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:20

overtaking on merit. not on drs

#86 LaoTze

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 13:44



I miss the A1 Ring, one of the most underrated tracks... Amazing track I think.



#87 Andretti Fan

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 17:50

Drivers with a wide and diverse range of personalities. They all seen so alike nowadays. We need more Laudas and Hunts, Petersons and Brambillas. Depailliers and Villeneuves. Some drivers, like Fittipalldi, Graham Hill, Purley, Ertl, Stuck, and others you just couldn't make them up.

#88 Alx09

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 21:18

Drivers pushing the limits, and therefore also making more mistakes. Cars being pushed to the limit where engines just go up in smoke. 20 000 rpm monsters.

Less safe margins, more excitement. Graveltraps, grass, narrow track sections.

Passion and true joy/excitement from winning and driving shown by drivers (only comes when drivers are giving it all they have). Less media bullshit pr speak, more true individual style/personality among drivers.

The true Hockenheim. Spa bus stop. Classic tracks. Aggressive corner entries and curb riding. Sparks. Racing tyres, allow drivers to go a bit "crazy" to go fast, not just school-book stuff but inventing attacks/defenses.

No-DRS true racing.

Edited by Alx09, 23 December 2012 - 21:28.


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Posted 23 December 2012 - 21:58

overtaking on merit. not on drs


overtaking on merit, not on DRS, or on instruction from the pits! :rolleyes:

#90 Longtimefan

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 22:07

in no particular order:-

Sparks
Engines going BOOM!! mid-race
Drivers with charisma
Huge tyres on the rear
Tyres that you didn't have to nurse
Teams and drivers pushing the envelope
Gravel traps
Hard racers who didn't whine at 3 drops of water and cry for penalties should another car touch them
Tyrrell
Murray Walker and James Hunt
Michael Schumacher
Manual Gearboxes
Drivers and cars that were pushed to the limit lap after lap
Round steering wheels


#91 Velocifer

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 22:16

I miss nothing really as F1 has never been better than now in almost every way in my opinion.

Except maybe the A1 Ring like pointed out. Was great for overtaking and the circut was always packed to the brim. Was just an innnocent victim to Bernie's revenge tactic on EU for the smoking ban etc. I think it was replaced by Bahrain, sigh..



I miss the A1 Ring, one of the most underrated tracks... Amazing track I think.



#92 BillyWhizz

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 23:42

I (will) miss The Great Formula 1 Photographs thread.

Four years of fab visual imagery and now it's been closed. I suppose the resource will always be there, but it's a pity posters couldn't stick to the board rules and kept alive one of those 'never miss' threads.

I'm sure that there will still be more Great Formula 1 Photographs in the future; sad they won't be able to be posted in one place to wade through with a glass of wine in hand.

Sigh. :|


#93 rijole1

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 23:55

I miss

refuelling
opportunity to choose fuel amount at race start - not fixed with qualy fuel amount
testing
the time before drs


#94 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 00:23

I miss seeing a crazy french-canadian driving the crap out of an exotic italian v-12 engine in a bright red race car with a big #27 on the nose.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 24 December 2012 - 00:25.


#95 GAZF1nut

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:25

The classic Ferrari/Mclaren battles.

Edited by GAZF1nut, 24 December 2012 - 01:26.


#96 Henri Greuter

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:54



Cars with little aerodynamicly generated downforce that can't go flat-out through corners and need to slow down for corners.
Every corner.
So there is opportunity to overtake.


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Posted 24 December 2012 - 18:40

I miss the sparks under the cars of the 80's


Yes indeed I do as well.

I also miss those cars that were more difficult to drive in that era.

#98 aportinga

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 18:42

Tyrrell, Montoya, Williams at the front, low noses and fat rear tyres.


Oh yes - I forgot.

Hock would have been a great break from the Tilke tracks.

Disgrace :down:

#99 SonnyViceR

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 19:44

Exciting racing
Gravel traps and grass
Lack of Tilke
Lack of Asia
Nice looking cars
Nice sounding cars, V10
Pre-qualifying, warm-up
Unrestricted number of teams
Less spec components in cars
Multiple tyre manufacturers
More engine competition
More manufacturer competition
Minardi

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 20:15

Engine development, and more engine suppliers - especially Honda. 3 suppliers in 2014 will be both sad and risky - if one underperforms and opts to drop out F1 would be a step away from a spec series.

3rd cars for young drivers running in practice sessions.