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#101 armchair expert

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:17

I miss nothing really as F1 has never been better than now in almost every way in my opinion.

Except maybe the A1 Ring like pointed out. Was great for overtaking and the circut was always packed to the brim. Was just an innnocent victim to Bernie's revenge tactic on EU for the smoking ban etc. I think it was replaced by Bahrain, sigh..


While I prefer the look of cars of the late '70s early '80s, I'm with Velocifer.


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#102 Disgrace

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 15:53

Disgrace :down:


Go on...

#103 Baddoer

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 15:56

I miss Pedro Diniz

#104 lancef1

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 05:46

V10
Proper slipstream and less advanced aerodynamics overall
Old Hockenheimring
A1 Ring
1991-2002 official F1 intro (the guitar one)
Charizmatic personalities among drivers (Kimi is the last of that kind)
Pretty cars
Montoya, DC, Mika, Irvine
Williams as a regular title contender
Jordan
Manual gear-boxes (never had a chance to see live races with them, but I would love to)
Ron and Flavio
Sunday warm-ups
Gravel

#105 Dipster

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:30

I miss being able to get in the paddock and wander around amongst the cars and drivers soaking up the atmosphere.

A few years ago, whilst living in Brazil, I was honoured to be invited to a few Brazilan GPs where I had access to the pits. I was very grateful to my hosts but t all lacked any real atmosphere for me - all simply too snobbish.

#106 JacnGille

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:27

I miss seeing a crazy french-canadian driving the crap out of an exotic italian v-12 engine in a bright red race car with a big #27 on the nose.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

#107 Ramses1348

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:23

- engines blowing out like crazy in the first few races of the season
- only a handfull of cars finishing the first race allowing little teams to score points

#108 BoschKurve

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 14:23

-The broken white lines on the run through Blanchimont at Spa.
-Cars powersliding through corners.
-No safety car or yellow flags coming out when cars were disabled on the sides of the track.
-Seeing an ambulance driving on the grass up towards the Piratella at Imola in 1981 with the cars driving flatout past it.
-Tobacco sponsorship (loved the liveries)
-Helmets that actually had nice clean designs that made it easy to identify the drivers.
-Less restrictive defending.
-When overtaking backmarkers was a skill.
-Drivers who weren't PR creations, but actually came across as real people.
-The paddock area being accessible to the fans instead of a VIP area.
-Actual penalties for running off the track when misjudging a corner.

#109 boldhakka

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 15:46

More messiness. Everything is too clinical, sterile, well-organize, glitzy, and polished. McLaren, I'm looking at you.

#110 BoschKurve

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 15:54

More messiness. Everything is too clinical, sterile, well-organize, glitzy, and polished. McLaren, I'm looking at you.


I agree with this. It takes away a great deal of character from F1 when everything looks sterile.

I also hate the mechanics outfits during races. They look like a bunch of stormtroopers with these helmets.

#111 2ms

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 15:58

I miss the otherworldly sound of big V10s. I will soon miss the mediocre sound of small V8s. V6s are pretty much the most unpleasant sounding common engine type. Turbos will be double-whammy worse, as every bit of power they add to the engine is via taking it away from the exhaust.

#112 RealRacing

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 16:58

I am watching the 1990 season so I may be a little bit biased right now but:

-Drivers being able to show their talent, like Senna going round Monaco to lower a time already 1 sec faster than 2nd just for the love of driving.

-Mansell arguably being left with no room by Berger when attempting a pass, going out on the grass, doing a 360 and returning to the track to continue racing. No penalty applied for it.

-Senna crashing out at Monaco and going back home to his girlfriend without talking to anybody.

-Great on-board cameras. I don't know what it is but on the 1990 broadcasts there are great on-board segments lasting for the whole lap, mostly without interruption (a bonus was the PIP showing where they are on the circuit map). And you could see even the better cars required frequent corrections.

-Teams trying to complete the whole distance without stopping (on the softer compound!).

-Race re-starts and backup cars. Different spec engines and tyres for race and qualy. Being able to use different compounds on the car.

-No SC.

-Good looking cars (1990 Ferrari, McLaren and Benetton...nice).

-Fat tyres, slim, simple wings.

-Variety of engines.

-Drivers actually saying what they think and feeling how they feel (esp. during podium ceremony).

-A car following another for 10-15 laps before being able to try an overtake.

-Surprises (like Leyton House almost winning 1990 French GP vs. Ferrari and McLaren with no stops).

-Mistakes.

-Manual shifts.

-Hearing crowds actually roaring when their favorites go by. In this context, 1990 British and French GPs come to mind. So, in this sense, also circuits where people give a s..t.

-etc., etc., etc.


#113 BoschKurve

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 17:48

Changing gears with a full manual gearbox was part of the skill set required by a race car driver for many years.

#114 GSiebert

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 18:04

-Senna crashing out at Monaco and going back home to his girlfriend without talking to anybody.


:cool:

#115 Szoelloe

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 18:06

Changing gears with a full manual gearbox was part of the skill set required by a race car driver for many years.


when was the semi-automatic shift introducd by Ferrari? '89-90? Shifting is shifting. Its an urban myth that cars are easier to drive witht he semis.


#116 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 18:30

when was the semi-automatic shift introducd by Ferrari? '89-90? Shifting is shifting. Its an urban myth that cars are easier to drive witht he semis.


I disagree.

Having to use a clutch, a real pedal and getting the gears changed is very different from clicking a paddle on the steering wheel, having electronics handle the intricacies. If there were no difference, why do we have them?

Same goes for carbon versus steel brakes, I often seen comments that there is no difference in how well the cars brake, which there surely is why would a team on a budget spend Usd 'x' instead of 'x - y' if there were no benefit,

I miss (want):

Steel brakes
Real gear shifting
No fly by wire
No mandatory pitstops.
No pit to car telemetry.
No pit to car radio.
No car to pit radio.
'x' square centimeters of total wing on a car.
No wings of any sort between front and rear axel.
A true flat bottom, no slants, holes, openings or anything else.
Free engine configuration with a certain set size and conversion formulas between different types so they all more or less give the same power.

:cool:



#117 Szoelloe

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 19:12

I disagree.

Having to use a clutch, a real pedal and getting the gears changed is very different from clicking a paddle on the steering wheel, having electronics handle the intricacies. If there were no difference, why do we have them?

Same goes for carbon versus steel brakes, I often seen comments that there is no difference in how well the cars brake, which there surely is why would a team on a budget spend Usd 'x' instead of 'x - y' if there were no benefit,

I miss (want):

Steel brakes
Real gear shifting
No fly by wire
No mandatory pitstops.
No pit to car telemetry.
No pit to car radio.
No car to pit radio.
'x' square centimeters of total wing on a car.
No wings of any sort between front and rear axel.
A true flat bottom, no slants, holes, openings or anything else.
Free engine configuration with a certain set size and conversion formulas between different types so they all more or less give the same power.

:cool:


That's petty old school. Never going to happen,so why miss it?


#118 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 19:13

That's petty old school. Never going to happen,so why miss it?


Are there rules for what we can miss?

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#119 scheivlak

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 19:29

when was the semi-automatic shift introducd by Ferrari? '89-90?

1989.

I remember how Mansell surprised us all with a five wheel change pitstop during their debut race in Argentina!

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#120 BoschKurve

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 20:03

when was the semi-automatic shift introducd by Ferrari? '89-90? Shifting is shifting. Its an urban myth that cars are easier to drive witht he semis.


Yes the Ferrari 640 was the first to have a semi-automatic gearbox thanks to John Barnard.

Shifting isn't just shifting.

In 1974, Colin Chapman had installed a button on the shifter knob that would allow the driver of the Lotus 76 to shift gears without operating a clutch pedal. Of course it didn't turn out quite to be what Chapman had envisioned for the whole thing, it was scrapped for a manual gearbox. The point of that is that people had been looking for ways to eliminate the clutch pedal in favor of something else that long ago. Semi-automatic transmissions are easier drive because the drivers can't misshift as they could years ago. Not to mention all of the techniques involved with a full manual gearbox are no longer needed, which also reduces the chances of driver error on that front...and they do shift quicker as well.

#121 king_crud

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 21:30

1989.

I remember how Mansell surprised us all with a five wheel change pitstop during their debut race in Argentina!


Brazil. They didn't go back to Argentina until a few years later

#122 scheivlak

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 21:33

Brazil. They didn't go back to Argentina until a few years later

Oops, you're right! Anyway, it was the first race of the season.

#123 RealRacing

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 21:52

:cool:



Seen it! That's why so many people like Kimi...and probably also why he didn't last at Ferrari.

#124 Lazy Prodigy

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 22:30

Call me nostalgic but cig liveries lol. And big engines

#125 tifosi

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:25

Open qualifying spread out over 2 days with specially tuned engines, special cars and those oh so sticky tyres.

Imola pre-94.

V-12s

The thrill of digging through the internet in the days when a 300 baud modem was state of the art or anxiously awaiting F1 Racing to see what magic Maranello had come up with for the next race to beat the hated McLaren-Hondas.

Fuel that would make NASA jealous.

#126 SenorSjon

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 00:04

I'm DLing old races through newsgroups, but then you see what you miss. On a radio item today, they say you love the most the things you learn around 13-14 years old. Be it sports, heroes, the like. Well, it seems that was 1994-1995 for me. Guess who I'll miss now.;)
Just watching old footage:
Spain 1996: 4 secs/lap faster.
Monaco 1997: astronomical lead
Spa: In 1997 he gained 10+seconds in one lap on Villeneuve. Neither driver spinned or had a problem. :p
Hungary 1998. The Dutch commentator was not paying real attention, but the string of fastest laps after his second stop was just great. But it brings out the problem with current day F1. The ability to do a tactical change with fuel or tires. When you bolt 2012 Pirelli's on that Ferrari, they would be rolling off after 2 laps.
Older onboards are much more violent. You see drivers being tossed around while riding the car. You hear the engine screaming its innards out (and usually, those innards GOT out...). You also hear quite a different note per car. Be it onboard or onscreen. The difference between wide and small cars is also notable. I like the wide fat cars, not those racing toothpics.

Maybe something stupid I miss as well, but with the standard ECU, almost everyone has nearly the same dashboard/steering wheel nowadays. The old Benettons had a km/h digital dial and oil temp? The Ferrari's had a whole LCD screen. There is some nice footage of Schumacher (stick shift) chasing Alesi (semi-auto shift) around Monaco. Each car was easily recognisable, even without colors, due to the cockpit design.

With all those years, there is one constant though. The race editor missing most of the duels.

I also miss a real champion... and perhaps a bit of a riot. :p

#127 John B

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 00:27

The days when every racing incident didn't result in a drive through, grid penalty, or other foolish sanction.

The old Austria/Zaandvoort late summer stretch of the schedule - two great circuits that seemed to regularly produce interesting or memorable races and set the tone for the championship drive.

Edited by John B, 30 December 2012 - 03:14.


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:59

Hmm, now that it's the off-season, I think it's a good time to reflect on things I miss in F1 (keep in mind, I was born in 1993).

- A1 Ring
- Minardi
- V10's
- Cars with properly-proportioned wings
- Juan Montoya (Even though I despised him when he was in F1)
- The old 130R
- The grass + gravel that has been replaced by tarmac at Spa
- The old Hockenheim
- Racing in very wet conditions. Fuji 2007 seems so long ago now
- Drivers making contact while battling wheel-to-wheel and not getting a penalty

#129 R Soul

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:33

I miss drivers having a fair chance to get to grips (no pun intended) with the car by testing. After Massa had his accident in 2009, it was so pathetic watching Fisichella scrabbling around at the back. Badoer had been out of racing for ages so that was understandable, but Fisichella was a competent driver who was made to look like a complete berk. That 2nd place in Belgium finished his career.

#130 BoschKurve

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 13:03

Cockpits where the drivers were actually exposed. I loved seeing them working away at the wheel and shifting through the gearboxes, instead of just barely seeing their heads.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:56

Cars that seperate the Men from the boys.1000bhp+ with less than half the downforce.
None of this boring driving on rails stuff of today where boys can win.

#132 DisruptioN

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:11

Back when F1 was actually racing. Being punished for making mistakes with grass/grave etc.

#133 Sin

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:15

Heinz Harald Frentzen!
Yellow Cars
and Magny Cours

Edited by Sin, 01 January 2013 - 10:22.


#134 mgs315

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:38

Back when F1 was actually racing. Being punished for making mistakes with grass/grave etc.


That 'l' at the end of gravel is very very much needed! Graves in F1 ain't exactly appreciated! :p

#135 tifosi

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 14:18

Frans's green glowing brake disks.

#136 Dan333SP

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:52

Heinz Harald Frentzen!
Yellow Cars
and Magny Cours


The '99 French GP must have been a very special day for you, then!

I miss the feeling of pushing the technical envelope at all times, which IMO ended with the freezing of the engine regulations and the '09 aero changes. I know there is still wiggle room and impressive innovations can still pop up like F-ducts, EBDs, DDRS, ect., but there was just so much more freedom to come up with creative solutions in the 90s and into the early/mid '00s.

I really miss the V12/V10 era. Nothing can give me goosebumps like hearing a '00/'01 Mercedes V10 with that special exhaust or a '89-'95 Ferrari V12.

I miss refueling, because I don't like seeing the cars lapping 10+ seconds slower than qualifying during the early part of the race, and I miss the strategic elements.

I miss BMW and Robert Kubica.

I miss Jordan GP and its brief time at the front in '99 and '00.

I miss Mika vs MSC

Despite all of this, the 2012 season was one of the best if not the best that I have watched, so all is not lost, I just wish they had 900HP V10s and then I'd be satisfied :up:

#137 Sin

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:54

The '99 French GP must have been a very special day for you, then!



It was.... my favorite GP of all times so far... tho abu dhabi 2012 and brazil 2012 are pretty awesome too

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:20

I miss yellow cars too, Sin. :(