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#1901 Rajdeep

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 13:35

To me, the exhaust looks like it's getting closer to the original ACER duct inspiration. Trying to imagine the exhaust channel a bit more straight (instead of pointing outboard) and less of the down slope, I can see the ACER duct. So, the original solution was not a flawed idea, but just too raw. The refinement was what it lacked...

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#1902 kosmos

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 13:49

Some new videos in Ferrari.com.

Fernando’s expectations for Australia
Felipe’s expectations for Australia
A lap with Fernando at Albert Park


#1903 bonjon1979a

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 15:49

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Blown wheelnuts like Williams.

Don't think so, that's just part of the thingy (technical term) supporting the car.

#1904 F.M.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 15:56

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It's the same exhaust from the last test day (height wise at least).
Just compare the lowest part with the following image, it's the same

http://www.formule1....62311775.95.jpg

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#1905 Zava

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 16:16

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will it stay hollow or will it get filled?

#1906 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 17:21

will it stay hollow or will it get filled?


It?


#1907 crespo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:34

Odd to see this bumped off the first page...

Any new pics? Any news in general? Nothing from the twittersphere (piusgasso, joseluis...)?

#1908 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:47

Odd to see this bumped off the first page...

Any new pics? Any news in general? Nothing from the twittersphere (piusgasso, joseluis...)?


Just the bits from the Alonso interview/presser on Thursday. Optimistic, he thinks they are now at 100% of what they could do (as opposed to last year), anything else too close to call.
Edit: http://www.autosport...t.php/id/106001

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 14 March 2013 - 13:49.


#1909 ARENA

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:54

Fernando Alonso says his Ferrari team will require perfection if they are to win the World Championship.

http://www.jamesalle...d-championship/

#1910 Richard T

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 14:06

Some new pics over at F1 technical..

http://www.f1technic...c...&start=1110

#1911 crespo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 14:22

Some new pics over at F1 technical..

http://www.f1technic...c...&start=1110

Thanks.. there seem to be some changes with the underbody, specifically the shark mouth. Different engine cover, too.

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#1912 fololo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 14:42

Thanks.. there seem to be some changes with the underbody, specifically the shark mouth. Different engine cover, too.

Ok ferrari brought reasonable upgrades to melbourne

Exhaust Modification
a new wing on the pull rod
New Engine Cover
New front wing from the last day isnt here
New rear wing
Some interesting details

#1913 fololo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 14:43

Ok ferrari brought reasonable upgrades to melbourne

Exhaust Modification
a new wing on the pull rod
New Engine Cover
New front wing from the last day isnt here
New rear wing
Some interesting details

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#1914 Seanspeed

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 14:50

Ok ferrari brought reasonable upgrades to melbourne

Exhaust Modification
a new wing on the pull rod
New Engine Cover
New front wing from the last day isnt here
New rear wing
Some interesting details

According to F1technical, the only new things are engine cover and some different holes under the nose.

They've also reverted to the old front wing again. Seems they still cant figure out how to find any improvements in that area..... :|

#1915 fololo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 15:10

According to F1technical, the only new things are engine cover and some different holes under the nose.

They've also reverted to the old front wing again. Seems they still cant figure out how to find any improvements in that area..... :|

Re read again

F1technical says like what i said

#1916 steferrari

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 15:10

They've also reverted to the old front wing again. Seems they still cant figure out how to find any improvements in that area..... :|

That's not necessarily the reason, maybe they will start practice with old wing and then try the new one to compare, I wouldn't jump to pessimistic conclusions yet.


#1917 ViMaMo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 15:14

According to F1technical, the only new things are engine cover and some different holes under the nose.

They've also reverted to the old front wing again. Seems they still cant figure out how to find any improvements in that area..... :|



:wave: Lets hope for the best. Good luck, hope we have great season :up: .

#1918 Seanspeed

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 15:16

Re read again

F1technical says like what i said

Not seeing it.

They say the rear wing was used on last day of testing.

No mention of this 'new wing' on the pull rod. If you're referring to the strakes on the nose that lead up to the front suspension, that was there before.

Exhaust is the same as they were testing.

So only changes are engine cover and the holes under the nose.

That's not necessarily the reason, maybe they will start practice with old wing and then try the new one to compare, I wouldn't jump to pessimistic conclusions yet.

Thats what testing is for! If they spent all that time comparing the two wings at Barcelona and couldn't figure out which one was better, its not very confidence inspiring and reminds me a lot of what the team went through last year with not ever moving forward in this area.

#1919 fabr68

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 15:35

Just keep in mind that no part is yet to see a race weekend. Therefore every wing is a "new" wing

Also the order of testing is not always representative on the specific part version. An "old " wing can always be tested at the end of a program due to lower priority.

Edited by fabr68, 14 March 2013 - 15:40.


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#1920 crespo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 15:42

Thats what testing is for! If they spent all that time comparing the two wings at Barcelona and couldn't figure out which one was better, its not very confidence inspiring and reminds me a lot of what the team went through last year with not ever moving forward in this area.

Yes! Whenever you've been pessimistic, we've gone well... so, please, continue :cool:

#1921 Seanspeed

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 15:45

Just keep in mind that no part is yet to see a race weekend. Therefore every wing is a "new" wing

I cant see it that way. Of course there's a lot new for 2013, but development starts well before Australia and thats what I'm trying to keep track of.

They say that everything is working as expected, but thats clearly not the case if they're still not convinced by the new front wing introduced last test. Of course nothing is ever perfect, but I'd rather they not mislead us into thinking everything is going spiffy when there might still be doubts about certain areas of the car.

Edited by Seanspeed, 14 March 2013 - 15:47.


#1922 Massa

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 15:57

I cant see it that way. Of course there's a lot new for 2013, but development starts well before Australia and thats what I'm trying to keep track of.

They say that everything is working as expected, but thats clearly not the case if they're still not convinced by the new front wing introduced last test. Of course nothing is ever perfect, but I'd rather they not mislead us into thinking everything is going spiffy when there might still be doubts about certain areas of the car.



Oh dear, you can't wait to see the FP before jumping to conclusion ? They said they will test some solution during FP, it's why they have the old wing and the new one.

If they said everything is fine, so it's fine.

#1923 Seanspeed

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 16:11

Oh dear, you can't wait to see the FP before jumping to conclusion ? They said they will test some solution during FP, it's why they have the old wing and the new one.

If they said everything is fine, so it's fine.

Do they have the new wing there? I haven't seen it.

Either way, it would be a concern to me that they still dont know which one is better as I've said a couple times now. If you were paying attention last year, I dont think thats an unreasonable concern.

Edited by Seanspeed, 14 March 2013 - 16:11.


#1924 boldhakka

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 16:11

I cant see it that way. Of course there's a lot new for 2013, but development starts well before Australia and thats what I'm trying to keep track of.

They say that everything is working as expected, but thats clearly not the case if they're still not convinced by the new front wing introduced last test. Of course nothing is ever perfect, but I'd rather they not mislead us into thinking everything is going spiffy when there might still be doubts about certain areas of the car.


The front wing isn't really a part that can be judged in isolation. It may even be a development that is ahead of the rest of the car, so it was tested to see that it was modifying the flow as expected and may be introduced back when the development at the rear catches up and can make full use of the modified flow. Just an example, but you get my drift.

#1925 Seanspeed

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 16:13

The front wing isn't really a part that can be judged in isolation. It may even be a development that is ahead of the rest of the car, so it was tested to see that it was modifying the flow as expected and may be introduced back when the development at the rear catches up and can make full use of the modified flow. Just an example, but you get my drift.

True. They do sometimes test parts for 'later on', so it might be that.

This is just an area that Ferrari have seemed to struggle with, so I'm a little worried about it.

#1926 oetzi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 16:13

They say that everything is working as expected, but thats clearly not the case if they're still not convinced by the new front wing introduced last test.

They said everything did what was expected. The new wing may be for introducing in conjunction with another update that works with it, or may not have been adopted due to a foreseen issue that they wanted to confirm by testing it. I think we have to believe them for now if they say things are working as expected. Beyond that, who knows what it means?


#1927 SCUDmissile

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 16:59

The front wing isn't really a part that can be judged in isolation. It may even be a development that is ahead of the rest of the car, so it was tested to see that it was modifying the flow as expected and may be introduced back when the development at the rear catches up and can make full use of the modified flow. Just an example, but you get my drift.

Was just about to say this.
They may have new parts like that hole that they want to test in conjunction with the old and new front wings.
And saying the car isn't working properly based on a thursday photo is a bit irrational imo.

#1928 ApexMouse

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:20

Surely incrementally opening the back of the car up more and more is a bad thing for the coke bottle?
And the new engine cover seems to be bulkier to add to the point above (I'm not trolling guys, just giving my opinion :))


#1929 aray

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:29

i don't get the idea why people are expecting every update to work...even if the simulator and wind-tunnel correlation are working as expected,that's too much to ask.....
nobody get that much right.....RB,Macca supposed to be much better than us in those segments;yet they had ups and down throughout the 2012 in terms of developing new parts....

Edited by aray, 14 March 2013 - 17:30.


#1930 vlado

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:40

http://www.formule1....62311775.95.jpg

That is a good looking car there.. :up:

#1931 oetzi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 17:56

The front wing isn't really a part that can be judged in isolation. It may even be a development that is ahead of the rest of the car, so it was tested to see that it was modifying the flow as expected and may be introduced back when the development at the rear catches up and can make full use of the modified flow. Just an example, but you get my drift.

Hah! You said that while I was typing roughly the same thing :)

#1932 jstrains

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:21

The season has not even started and you are already complaining about only few updates. Please wait until Sunday :drunk:

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#1933 Seanspeed

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:40

i don't get the idea why people are expecting every update to work

Nobody said that.

The season has not even started and you are already complaining about only few updates.

Never said that, either.

#1934 crespo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:41

Are there now two bulges/bumps next to the exhaust tunnel? I know they introduced one in Barcelona, but is this the first time we see two?

(air flow conditioners, w/e)

#1935 Mackey

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 18:51

The rear is bulkier than before, maybe they went too far with the cooling design in the first place. That sure inflicts a performance penalty, let´s hope it´s a little one.

#1936 fololo

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:31

The rear is bulkier than before, maybe they went too far with the cooling design in the first place. That sure inflicts a performance penalty, let´s hope it´s a little one.

Dam ferrari is pushing so hard so many updates now

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#1937 ApexMouse

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 19:34

Did you read what he said?

#1938 Seanspeed

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:18

Did you read what he said?

I disagree. I think Ferrari will keep Massa for 2014.

#1939 TIFOlonSO

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:42

Few hours to season start.
Good luck to Ferrari!
Expecting nothing less than a win on sunday!
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Posted 14 March 2013 - 20:45

The moment of truth is almost here... I admit to be a little bit nervous but one thing I am sure about, the Ferrari F138 is a thing of beauty... Have a nice season to everyone!

Cheers! ;-)

#1941 SCUDmissile

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:09

Is there a big need for cooling this weekend? or could there be another reason for making the engine cover bigger?

#1942 jey16

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:38

The rear looks quite bulky now, especially compared to the Mclaren & Red Bull, would this impact the performance that much?

#1943 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 21:40

Is there a big need for cooling this weekend? or could there be another reason for making the engine cover bigger?


Not in actual fact, max temps are predicted at 23°C, but hot weather was a possibility. Who knows if that's the only engine cover they took. Let's not forget that even though this is the first race, the Friday may still be used to test developments that are in the pipeline, and hotter races will come.

#1944 One

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:40

The season has not even started and you are already complaining about only few updates. Please wait until Sunday :drunk:

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I do think that Ferrari need another aero man. This tunnel cuts the flow towards the rear end. It should be much much lower, lower like Red Bull.

oh well, who am I? I'll shut up.


#1945 ApexMouse

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:42

Yip.

#1946 One

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:43

Yip.

Agree with me or disagree? Is the rear end in the right direction or not?


#1947 ApexMouse

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:51

It can't be helpful to the cokebottle, but it is placed there to help cooling in place of the original gearbox cooling slots.

I don't think looking at it will yield any insight however. There is simply no way to know from observation of parts.

#1948 One

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 22:56

It can't be helpful to the cokebottle, but it is placed there to help cooling in place of the original gearbox cooling slots.

I don't think looking at it will yield any insight however. There is simply no way to know from observation of parts.


Agreed.

But it looks like the aero man is trying toi look for an alternative solution other than Red Bull's for the sake of proving his superiority.

#1949 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 23:20

I do think that Ferrari need another aero man. This tunnel cuts the flow towards the rear end. It should be much much lower, lower like Red Bull.

oh well, who am I? I'll shut up.


Please read the Brawn quote about the difference of RB and McL style exhaust in the context of this year's Renault map controversy. These are two very different concepts.

#1950 oetzi

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 23:59

The rear is bulkier than before, maybe they went too far with the cooling design in the first place. That sure inflicts a performance penalty, let´s hope it´s a little one.

Performance penalty or better solution?

Do you know?