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#1 Doug Nye

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 22:26

For that 'get away from the family & rellies moment...what, or who, on earth is that?

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#2 john winfield

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 22:49

Thanks Doug - good photos.

#1 March 1971 Mallory Park F2. Henri Pescarolo leads Ronnie Peterson and, I think, Gerry Birrell. Two March 712s and a Lotus 69.

#3 Vitesse2

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 22:53

#2 Looks like it ought to be a Rembrandt meeting Brains Trust. 'Pom' furthest from the camera. Not sure on the others though.

#4 Vitesse2

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 22:58

#10 Blanc (Peugeot Bebé) GP de l'UMF des Cyclecars 1913

#5 Vitesse2

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 23:01

#12B Cholmondeley-Tapper and Eileen Ellison?

#6 paulhooft

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 23:03

10 Peugeot Bebe... Design As we all know, by Ettore Bugatti: No clue aobut who's in the car

#7 Vitesse2

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 23:04

#14 John Hodge's Singer.

#8 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 23:15

16 - Shelsley Walsh... John McCartney? He had BRMs and a UOP Shadow I seem to recall. Lucky blighter.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 23:24

16 - Shelsley Walsh... John McCartney? He had BRMs and a UOP Shadow I seem to recall. Lucky blighter.


Who ever it is looks like a P153  ;)



#10 ChrisJson

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 23:34

6 Phill Hill/Bruce McLaren #140 Ford GT 40
Nürburgring 1000 Km 1964-05-31 DNF Suspension 15 laps

Umberto Maglioli/Jochen Rindt #137 Ferrari 250 LM 39th

"Jean Beurlys"/Pierre Dumay #134 Ferrari 250 LM DNF Front suspension 9 laps

Jo Schlesser/Richard Attwood #99 Shelby Cobra 23th

Mike Parkes/Jean Guichet #83 Ferrari 250 GTO/64 3rd

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#11 ChrisJson

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 23:39

8 Graham Hill Austin A35

#12 ChrisJson

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 23:51

5 Prizegiving Can-Am 1967 Las Vegas

From right Moss, McLaren, ?, Donohue, Hall(?)

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#13 Gary C

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 23:58

Blimey. Picture number 4. I've never seen Chunky looking SO glum!! (no idea when or where though.......)

Edited by Gary C, 24 December 2012 - 23:59.


#14 David Birchall

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 00:22

Is number 2 a wartime meeting of VSCC types?

Number 12B Chumley-Chapper in an Invicta.

#15 john winfield

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 08:49

#7 is, I think, the Reims 12 Hours of 1965. That's probably winner Pedro Rodriguez's Ferrari 365P2 (shared with Jean Guichet) leading the Sears/Whitmore Shelby Cobra and the Bianchi/Grandsire Alpine. Not sure what that is parked on the left, nor the cars in the distance, although I think I can see my old landlady in the crowd, standing on a crate of her daughter-in-law's champagne.

The long lens really accentuates the undulations of what I think is the start-finish straight, looking towards Gueux from Thillois.

Edited by john winfield, 26 December 2012 - 22:45.


#16 Nick Savage

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 08:50

Is number 2 a wartime meeting of VSCC types?

Number 12B Chumley-Chapper in an Invicta.

Yes, it looks like an Invicta. Could possibly be a Railton, though.

And No 2 - that is Cecil Clutton (then owner/driver of the 1908 Itala recently auctioned) at the Brains Trust.
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#17 Vitesse2

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:09

And No 2 - that is Cecil Clutton (then owner/driver of the 1908 Itala recently auctioned) at the Brains Trust.
Nick

Which one is Cecil, Nick? Perhaps we can get all of 'em! Could that be Peter Berthon looking glum?

(Useless fact of the day - Clutton and the Itala are reputed to have been the last to do a complete lap of Brooklands Outer Circuit)

#18 Simon Thomas

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:21

Yes, it looks like an Invicta. Could possibly be a Railton, though.

And No 2 - that is Cecil Clutton (then owner/driver of the 1908 Itala recently auctioned) at the Brains Trust.
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This is A.C.Lace in his Invicta before the 1934 Ards TT. Interesting to examine some of the fastest laps in this class during the race. Lace recorded 11m 4s, Fontes in the sister car 10m 56s. The locally entered Ford V8s recorded 11m 14s, McCalla, 11m 12s, Wright and 10m 41s, Sullivan. These Fords carried Jensen bodies and 45 gallon fuel tanks.
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#19 Vitesse2

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:32

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This is A.C.Lace in his Invicta before the 1934 Ards TT. Interesting to examine some of the fastest laps in this class during the race. Lace recorded 11m 4s, Fontes in the sister car 10m 56s. The locally entered Ford V8s recorded 11m 14s, McCalla, 11m 12s, Wright and 10m 41s, Sullivan. These Fords carried Jensen bodies and 45 gallon fuel tanks.
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And presumably "Mrs AC Lace"?

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#20 nicanary

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 10:01

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This is A.C.Lace in his Invicta before the 1934 Ards TT. Interesting to examine some of the fastest laps in this class during the race. Lace recorded 11m 4s, Fontes in the sister car 10m 56s. The locally entered Ford V8s recorded 11m 14s, McCalla, 11m 12s, Wright and 10m 41s, Sullivan. These Fords carried Jensen bodies and 45 gallon fuel tanks.
Simon Thomas


Those certainly look like the old pits in Dundonald. The replica pit built as a commemoration was burnt down by local halfwits from the council estate on the opposite side of the road. Just a plaque these days.

It was numbered 9 for the 1934 race, and the nominated co-driver was one E.K.Rayson. So presumably that is indeed Mrs.Lace (or a lady companion) in the car.


#21 nicanary

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 10:06

No.3 - the guy on the right is Jabby Crombac

#22 nicanary

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 10:40

No.9 - the start of the 1969 Nurburgring 1000kms - only one Ferrari 312P of Amon/Rodriguez amidst the Porsche armada.

#23 nicanary

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 10:47

(God I must be bored!) No.15 - the start of the 1949 Italian Grand Prix?

#24 D-Type

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:00

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I think Graham Hill is executing this 'perfect' 4-wheel drift at the 1958 International Trophy

#25 ensign14

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:07

One thing on pic 15 is the care with which someone has written "MANCANO ALLA PARTENZA" on the starter's baton-thing. I doubt even the starter could see it, let alone those on the front row...

#26 Doug Nye

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:23

No.3 - the guy on the right is Jabby Crombac


No he's not. These chaps aren't journos...

Re No 9 perhaps the question should be who's the fellow in row 4, 38th from left? Still some typically insightful answers thus far...grandchildren due in 15 minutes...INCOMING! :eek:

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#27 Sharman

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:35

Which one is Cecil, Nick? Perhaps we can get all of 'em! Could that be Peter Berthon looking glum?

(Useless fact of the day - Clutton and the Itala are reputed to have been the last to do a complete lap of Brooklands Outer Circuit)


That was early in the war before the vandals cut the banking. I believe the only person alive today to have driven the Outer Circuit is Bill de Selincourt, 92 next year, still got all his marbles, can remember his lap times, as he says "I can see, hear after a fashion, eat, drink and talk. It is just that I can't walk anymore"

#28 nicanary

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:09

No.3 On the left, the late John Fitch.

#29 Jean L

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:36

N°12

10 July 1965 Silverstone,British GP meeting

26 Lola-Chevrolet T70 SL70-7 Dibley
12 McLaren M1A Coundley
16 Lola-Ford T70 SL70-5 Pierpoint
19 Lotus-Ford 30 30-S2-5 Bondurant

#30 Jean L

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:46

N°15

11 sept 1949 Monza,Gran Premio d'Italia.

#31 ChrisJson

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 13:00

N°12

10 July 1965 Silverstone,British GP meeting

26 Lola-Chevrolet T70 SL70-7 Dibley
12 McLaren M1A Coundley
16 Lola-Ford T70 SL70-5 Pierpoint
19 Lotus-Ford 30 30-S2-5 Bondurant



You beat me by a quarter!!

Race called "Senior Service"


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#32 Robin Fairservice

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 19:20

I think that No. 4 is Colin Chapman at Le Mans in 1956 when he drove the # 32 1500 cc car with Mac Fraser. They apparently retired when a big end bolt broke.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 19:38

No. 2, at right, nearest camera, David Scott-Moncrieff?

Edited by fbarrett, 25 December 2012 - 19:39.


#34 Doug Nye

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 22:14

I think that No. 4 is Colin Chapman at Le Mans in 1956 when he drove the # 32 1500 cc car with Mac Fraser. They apparently retired when a big end bolt broke.


Are those the Le Mans pits? Who is the boxing-booted driver to the right of Chunky?

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#35 Jean L

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 22:29

N°4 Silverstone pits.

#36 Rocky2

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 22:57

Are those the Le Mans pits? Who is the boxing-booted driver to the right of Chunky?

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Of course, Silverstone! That is Hugh Haskell, who contibuted to Lotus 7/20, especially to its rear suspension, and was invited to drive it during Six Hour relay race at Silverstone in 1962.

#37 Rocky2

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 23:13

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N°1511 sept 1949 Monza,Gran Premio d'Italia.

Its sister photo, just a moment after the start, is on page two of "Racing Car Review" 1950 edition by Jenks:

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A modern Grand Prix start. This scene at the Monza track in Italy, on the occasion of the 1949 Grand Prix d'Europe, captures the atmosphere of a modern mass-start. In echelon in the front row, starting nearest the camera, are Ascari, Villoresi (in two-stage Ferraris), Farina (Milan), Sommer (single-stage Ferrari). The difference between the old and new G.P. Ferraris can be clearly seen.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 23:27

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#1 March 1971 Mallory Park F2. Henri Pescarolo leads Ronnie Peterson and, I think, Gerry Birrell. Two March 712s and a Lotus 69.


That's how it is being described:

Ronnie on Pole, Fastest lap: Ronnie with a new laprecord at 180 km/h

Pescarolo March wins, Gerry Birrell Lotus second, Brian Hart Brabham third and Ronnie Retired.

The narrow, short and tricky Mallory Park saw Ronnies first apperance in a F2 car 1971. Ronnie had only run some testlaps at Silverstone in his new 712M. But he was emediately on the pace in the practice. Simon Taylor from Autosport wrote this after the practice: "One driver stood head and shoulders above the rest: Ronnie Peterson. To watch him hurling the yellow March round Mallory with abondon and supreme confidandce was to invite instant comparison with one man - Jochen Rindt. Heґs times came down to 43 dead and he called the day! In the race Ronnie got away third, but he soon fought his way in to the lead. But on the 34th lap, after laping most of the field once and some twice (!) his left steeringarm broke and he went off the track in a big way. He hurted his hand slightly.


Source: www.racefoto.se/Ronniesidan/RonniePSF2.html

#39 Michael Ferner

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 23:45

For that 'get away from the family & rellies moment...what, or who, on earth is that?

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#40 Stephen W

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:55

#1 March 1971 Mallory Park F2. Henri Pescarolo leads Ronnie Peterson and, I think, Gerry Birrell. Two March 712s and a Lotus 69.


The two March F2 cars are 712M chassis and it is Gerry Birrell in a Lotus 69 in third spot.

16 - Shelsley Walsh... John McCartney? He had BRMs and a UOP Shadow I seem to recall. Lucky blighter.


Who ever it is looks like a P153 ;)


Definately John McCartney-Filgate in his BRM P153 at Shelsley Walsh - I would suggest it was 1974 as in '75 he was running a P180.

:wave:

Agree with #4 being Colin Chapman at Silverstone and i would suggest it is that Relay Race meeeting.


#41 Roger Clark

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:56

Is no. 11 one of the 1924 2-litre Grand Prix Sunbeams during its later Brooklands career? Possibly Kaye Don at the wheel.

#42 Vitesse2

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 13:19

Is no. 11 one of the 1924 2-litre Grand Prix Sunbeams during its later Brooklands career? Possibly Kaye Don at the wheel.

Ah, but the question is surely "Where is it going on the public road? And why?" ;)

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 20:45

Definately John McCartney-Filgate in his BRM P153 at Shelsley Walsh - I would suggest it was 1974 as in '75 he was running a P180.


In the early 80s he was running a 2 Litre Tasman BRM P261, then a DN3 Shadow. What happened to him after that Steve? He must have had a heck of a collection.

#44 Doug Nye

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 21:35

Right train of thought...the driver in the photo found motor sporting stature as something other than a driver. Photo was taken as late as 1943.

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#45 Vitesse2

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 21:45

John Wyer?

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 21:45

OK, I'll express my heretofore-subdued first impression on #11: John Wyer?

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#47 Roger Clark

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 00:07

I did wonder about Wyer. He drove Anthony Heal's car occasionally in the immediate post-war years. There is a photograph in The Certain Sound. This was, I think, the car raced by Kenelm Lee Guiness in Grands Prix in 1924-25 Kaye Don at Brooklands as The Cub.

It is surely not so remarkable that it is in road-going trim. The cars were always registered and driven to events when they were Grand Prix cars.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:07

No.3 On the left, the late John Fitch.


...and on the right, Dick Thompson? Some sort of Corvette gathering?

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:27

No. 11

Ah, but the question is surely "Where is it going on the public road? And why?" ;)


And on trade plates as well? I wonder whose? And why are only three of four wheels guarded?

Edited by rory57, 27 December 2012 - 05:36.


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:02

In the early 80s he was running a 2 Litre Tasman BRM P261, then a DN3 Shadow. What happened to him after that Steve? He must have had a heck of a collection.


Not sure that he still owned all of the cars that he had driven. He certainly sold cars regularly - last one I saw him in was a Cooper-Climax.