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#551 Fox1

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:00

Hamilton is pushing Mercedes' aerodynamicists "for certain things that should be added to the car and other people already have"

Lol @ Hamilton the aerodynamicist :lol:

Also Hamilton already got rid of some of the buttons on his steering wheel as there were too many; I've got double the amount of buttons I had on the previous one


http://en.espnf1.com...tory/99969.html

Ohh the arrogance of this guy. Mercedes aerodynamicists should be looking to F1 forums for advice, not LuLu.

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#552 Longtimefan

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:09

Doesn't sound like he's thrilled!


haha Good luck with the shitbox team Lewis, you'll need it mate. :rotfl:

#553 Alx09

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:12

Edit: My fault, didn't spot sarcasm.

Edited by Alx09, 04 February 2013 - 22:21.


#554 F.M.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:14

Keep the Lewis hate out of this thread Fox1, this thread is about the W04.

My Lewis quotes were about the car :)

#555 Obi Offiah

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:16

Keep the Lewis hate out of this thread Fox1, this thread is about the W04.

Fox1 was being sarcastic, pretty sure it wasn't a dig at Lewis.

#556 jrg19

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:17

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From FrukostScones on f1tech.

Car is massively different from last season.

#557 Alx09

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:19

The area I feel is messy is this, if we compare:

http://i.imgur.com/v2LoDCM.jpg

http://www.racecar-e...-28/zupmaca.jpg

McLaren seem to grab the air better with the shaped bodywork and lead it in. The whole thing is more clean, while Mercs feels messy.

Feels like the car is very much develop-able though, which is nice.

Fox1 was being sarcastic, pretty sure it wasn't a dig at Lewis.

I just re-read it and saw, my bad.

Edited by Alx09, 04 February 2013 - 22:23.


#558 Szoelloe

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:19

From FrukostScones on f1tech.

Car is massively different from last season.


It is.


#559 Gintonious

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:22

The area I feel is messy is this, if we compare:

http://i.imgur.com/v2LoDCM.jpg

http://www.racecar-e...-28/zupmaca.jpg

McLaren seem to grab the air better with the shaped bodywork and lead it in. The whole thing is more clean, while Mercs feels messy.


I just re-read it and saw, my bad.


Agreed, but today was only a filming day, we will see what it is like tomorrow and in the other tests.

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#560 Szoelloe

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:29

The area I feel is messy is this, if we compare:

McLaren seem to grab the air better with the shaped bodywork and lead it in. The whole thing is more clean, while Mercs feels messy.


Mc has a refined concept they already have serious history with. I hardly think they will change much in that area. I expect the Merc to go through some serious changes in the next four weeks. So, in essence, that means close to nothing atm. They certainly have some serious testing to go through. First of all, let's see about teething problems. If reliability is ok, they should work like hell. Lets see why that rear-end looks like it does.


#561 Timstr11

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:34

The area I feel is messy is this, if we compare:

http://i.imgur.com/v2LoDCM.jpg

http://www.racecar-e...-28/zupmaca.jpg

McLaren seem to grab the air better with the shaped bodywork and lead it in. The whole thing is more clean, while Mercs feels messy.

Feels like the car is very much develop-able though, which is nice.

Keep in mind that these lateral cooling channels are larger on the Mercedes because this year they have chosen to reduce the size of he dorsal cooling channel (see small exit dorsal channel)
The McLaren still cools a lot via the dorsal channel so they need smaller lateral channels.

#562 cooper

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:39

f1technical analysis

#563 Obi Offiah

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 22:45

Keep in mind that these lateral cooling channels are larger on the Mercedes because this year they have chosen to reduce the size of he dorsal cooling channel (see small exit dorsal channel)
The McLaren still cools a lot via the dorsal channel so they need smaller lateral channels.

I took this into account when I made my (very basic) analysis. Even so most other teams have preferred to restrict bodywork in this area, whereas MGP seem to promote it.

#564 MirNyet

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 23:08

Looks like a very safe design, nothing overly risky or different on there. I would imagine considering the year they had in 2012 that they want to get a solid baseline before they start to push. Front wing aside, looks quite pretty head on, no so sure about top down however, looks fat. One thing that does strike me as odd is that the exhaust exits are quite far back compared to the McLaren and Red Bull designs.



#565 dans79

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 00:11

Keep in mind that these lateral cooling channels are larger on the Mercedes because this year they have chosen to reduce the size of he dorsal cooling channel (see small exit dorsal channel)
The McLaren still cools a lot via the dorsal channel so they need smaller lateral channels.


This is an excellent photo.....

The bodywork back by the exhaust exit looks about how McLaren did last year. Everything is in little panels so that they can swap stuff out in testing quickly.

I looking forward to seeing if they quickly add "gills" to read wing end plates like the other top teams. The DRS element also looks damn near vertical, hopefully then they play with that a little as well.

#566 Markn93

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:21

So do we reckon the bodywork around the coke bottle is unnecessarily bulky or are they up to something?

#567 packapoo

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:22

This is an excellent photo.....
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The bodywork back by the exhaust exit looks about how McLaren did last year. Everything is in little panels so that they can swap stuff out in testing quickly.

I looking forward to seeing if they quickly add "gills" to read wing end plates like the other top teams. The DRS element also looks damn near vertical, hopefully then they play with that a little as well.


See.
They're learning from Lewis already,


#568 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:59

So do we reckon the bodywork around the coke bottle is unnecessarily bulky or are they up to something?

Isn't their wheelbase still much shorter, hence the different packaging?

Red Bull would tend to suggest that longer car is the way to go, it is interesting that Mercedes choose to persist with a short wheelbase car.


#569 Markn93

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:02

Isn't their wheelbase still much shorter, hence the different packaging?

Red Bull would tend to suggest that longer car is the way to go, it is interesting that Mercedes choose to persist with a short wheelbase car.


Not sure it is. Tech specs showed overall length was a bit longer, (20cm I think), for what it's worth.

#570 dans79

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:26

So do we reckon the bodywork around the coke bottle is unnecessarily bulky or are they up to something?


I think they are going for a mixed exhaust solution, by that I mean they have a McLaren bulge, and a RBR tunnel.

#571 BigCHrome

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:37

I think that bodywork around the gearbox is there to stay.

#572 Obi Offiah

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:48

I think that bodywork around the gearbox is there to stay.

I hope not.

#573 Szoelloe

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:48

Isn't their wheelbase still much shorter, hence the different packaging?

Red Bull would tend to suggest that longer car is the way to go, it is interesting that Mercedes choose to persist with a short wheelbase car.


There was a theory based on first pics that the car looked shorter. However, the car is longer. If the car is longer, I hardly think the shortened the wheelbase. So no, I think the wheelbase is the same as the W03 at the least.

#574 SunnyENTP

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:54

Today we get to see rhe new front wing and perhaps front nose if rumours are true?

#575 Alx09

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:58

Today we get to see rhe new front wing and perhaps front nose if rumours are true?

Lets hope so.

#576 Obi Offiah

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:59

Lots of people up early and posting today.........................hmmmm, I wonder why?

#577 Kingshark

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:05

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Lewis in the W04.

:eek: :love: :drunk:

After watching Lewis drive the same old chrome & red McLaren for the past 6 years, this new "image" of him is definitely going to be difficult to get use to!

Fantastic pictures nonetheless! :up:

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#578 Markn93

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:07

Lewis on pitwall. Good to see he's taking an interest in Nico/car's progress.

#579 jstrains

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:11

I think it will be much easier to get used to chrome and green than for example fully red etc.

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#580 KiloWatt

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:18

Lets hope so.


I hope so too, but doubt it as I think today is purely about reliability and ascertaining if systems are functioning. I'm guessing we'll only see it by thursday at the earliest.

BTW, I'm very much wondering what the expectations are of Mercedes this winter. I'm really not hoping for much and I fully expect too see them in the bottom half this winter. Not trying to be negative, and would love to be wrong, but it's just a feeling and I'm at peace with it (for now, haha).

I'm reading the comments of the drivers as the same. They know from the outset that it's not going to be great and they've accepted that.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:40

This thread is for discussing the car, there is a thread for discussing testing and live coverage of the test on http://live.autosport.com/

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:48

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Maybe trying to create double diffuser with the body work?

#583 Timstr11

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:38

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Maybe trying to create double diffuser with the body work?

They've done a great job with shrouding the drive shaft and the rear leg of the lower wishbone together to for an aerofoil-like shape.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:50

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I think the car needs more gills. :smoking:

Welcome to Merc, Lewis! :wave:

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:16

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I think the car needs more gills. :smoking:

Welcome to Merc, Lewis! :wave:



They got further than Mclaren did so its better already

#586 jrg19

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:31

http://www.formule1....360061949.3.jpg

Hi res of the rear of the car, nice to see the body work outlet better, considering it is raised and the floor as a dip the centre of the diffuser isn't staved of airflow. It looks like they are trying to do something with the outlet almost "blowing" the shrouded lower wishbone?

#587 dau

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 14:05

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I think the car needs more gills. :smoking:

Welcome to Merc, Lewis! :wave:

I wouldn't be surprised to see more gills appear on the car. It's happened before. Doesn't necessarily say much about the car's performance and i never would i post an animated GIF here that mocks this Merc running gag.

Obviously not a good start to this season to lose the first day with electronic issues. And having to modify the wiring loom? I don't know about that. Oh well, that's what testing is for.

#588 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 14:10

Once again

This thread is for discussing the car, there is a thread for discussing testing and live coverage of the test on http://live.autosport.com/

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 14:21

Hmm, well I suppose it's better the wiring loom than that new tiny gearbox. Though wasn't there a problem with the gearbox to start with?

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 15:47

Might have already been mentioned, but I hope we are going to get one car with yellow mirrors so we can tell them apart...

#591 Markn93

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 17:04

Hmm, well I suppose it's better the wiring loom than that new tiny gearbox. Though wasn't there a problem with the gearbox to start with?

Report was that after a practice start the car went from first to neutral and then into second. Not sure how much of a problem it was.

Anyway, I am more and more confident every time new pictures are produced and probed that this was grossly underestimated, rear suspension is top notch and im fairly sure this will be capable of scoring good points come Australia. Can't wait to see Lewis pumping in some laps and reading his comments too, I have a feeling they'll be somewhat more transparent than Rosbergs, and finally I can't wait to see this new front wing around which, supposedly, the whole aero concept of the car is based.

#592 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 17:45

Nico and Schumi were good PR men and never critcised too much in public especially Nico (who always seemed to have a smile on his face) wheras Lewis is going to be a straight shoote. Nikki Lauda will favour the Lewis approach me thinks rather than 'everything is positive' Nico.

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 05 February 2013 - 19:02.


#593 Zoetrope

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 18:10

“These hiccups are just part of the game. During the laps I completed I had a good feeling with the car and it felt solid." @nico_rosberg

Good, they are not loosing any parts on the track :)

#594 SmokeScreen

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 18:12

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/21340511

Much better writing than his 'Chief F1 Writer' colleague

a number of lil subplots, wasn't really sure where to post it- maybe the testing page (interesting KRs comments on the Ferrari -wonder what his thoughts are on his son's new teammate)

anyhuuu I posted here cos of the LaudaLewisLunch titbit - wonder what they would have been discussing- to be a fly on the wall


#595 dans79

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 18:21

Nico, on the car & today.



#596 SR388

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 18:27

Lewis and Schumi were good PR men and never critcised too much in public especially Nico (who always seemed to have a smile on his face) wheras Lewis is going to be a straight shoote. Nikki Lauda will favour the Lewis approach me thinks rather than 'everything is positive' Nico.



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#597 jrg19

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 18:28

Nico, on the car & today.


Nice to hear, looking forward to Lewis' response.

#598 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 19:02

:confused:


I meant Nico and Schumi

#599 jstrains

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 19:08


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#600 SR388

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 19:11

I meant Nico and Schumi


Ah, that makes more sense.

Let's hope we go the distance in the morning. Need good data!