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#1301 BigCHrome

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 16:34

Hopefully he allows it to be used as cargo if Merc have some urgent parts that need transport for a race weekend.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 16:35

Keep in mind that if the car is a dog, even a good driver cannot get anything out of it - look to the start of 2009 for that one.


Some McLaren fans (me included) reckon 2009 was his finest season (so far) as a racer.

I dunno if Merc deserve the success the partnership can bring, but I think Lewis does.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 16:37

A little nugget in an AMuS article about the W04

Perhaps the sidepods will be reduced in size later. Mercedes is working with an American company that has developed a new cooling concept. At the moment there is a reliability risk. But if a breakthrough is achieved, the radiator can be reduced in size for the same heat output by 30 percent.



#1304 jrg19

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 16:42

Hopefully it doesn't end up being another excuse, if it comes off could be very good.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 17:02

The plate gives it away, LCDH (Lewis Carl Davidson Hamilton)


what is the g for ?

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 17:03

is mercedes the most popular team in Formula 1 at the moment ? i think so

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 17:03

So mercedes think they are on target to gain 3 seconds over the w03.
I think that should do well to put us in the ball park

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 17:05

A little nugget in an AMuS article about the W04


My favourite line from there translated by google:
"Against Red Bull can not win with a housewife solution" :lol:

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 17:08

what is the g for ?


UK registration.

#1310 BernieEc

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 17:29

is mercedes the most popular team in Formula 1 at the moment ? i think so

Actually I think Ferrari still hold that title.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 17:36

Some McLaren fans (me included) reckon 2009 was his finest season (so far) as a racer.

I dunno if Merc deserve the success the partnership can bring, but I think Lewis does.



I think 2012 was. Actually, even with his melt down in 2011, I dont think hes actually ever had a bad driving year.

#1312 inca_roads

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 18:31

I think 2012 was.


I agree. 2012 was an awesome performance. Qualifying, races, wheel-to-wheel, no real big mistakes all season. Canada, in particular, was a stunning drive.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 18:45

Actually I think Ferrari still hold that title.


Worldwide you are right, but on these forums McLaren and Mercedes seem to have more followers now

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 18:48

Worldwide you are right, but on these forums McLaren and Mercedes seem to have more followers now


Based on what? You can't judge by thread length, half of the posts here are by people ridiculing the team. McLaren sure has the most followers here, but Merc more than Ferrari? I doubt it

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 15 February 2013 - 18:49.


#1315 BigCHrome

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 18:49

Worldwide you are right, but on these forums McLaren and Mercedes seem to have more followers now


Ferrari threads used to be longer than McLaren threads until about 2009, but raikkonen fans drove a lot of hardcore Ferrari fans away.

#1316 BernieEc

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 19:19

Ferrari threads used to be longer than McLaren threads until about 2009, but raikkonen fans drove a lot of hardcore Ferrari fans away.

I guess the same has happened to McLaren with hamilton supporters.....

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 20:07

I guess the same has happened to McLaren with hamilton supporters.....


Also the fact that McLaren is a boring team with a boring lineup (for once - they've always used to have at the very least one marquee driver who made it interesting (Mika, Kimi, Montoya, LH, Alonso).

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 20:51

Also the fact that McLaren is a boring team with a boring lineup (for once - they've always used to have at the very least one marquee driver who made it interesting (Mika, Kimi, Montoya, LH, Alonso).


Perez ??? :)

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 21:09

Also the fact that McLaren is a boring team with a boring lineup (for once - they've always used to have at the very least one marquee driver who made it interesting (Mika, Kimi, Montoya, LH, Alonso).


i dont find mclaren a boring team at all , a team that fights for championships and wins and every year produce a fast car with some innovations

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#1320 Masenco

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 21:28


i dont find mclaren a boring team at all , a team that fights for championships and wins and every year produce a fast car with some innovations


I agree, i dont find them boring either. But i do think that for 2013 they are one of the less exciting teams to keep an eye on as they dont have a top the three driver- it takes some of the excitement away


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 21:58

i dont find mclaren a boring team at all , a team that fights for championships and wins and every year produce a fast car with some innovations


Fighting for championship is irrelevant. McLaren just doesn't have the warmth and "fun" of RBR, Ferrari and/or Lotus. It's more as a business than as a team.

Edited by slmk, 15 February 2013 - 22:01.


#1322 BernieEc

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 22:01

Fighting for championship is irrelevant. McLaren just doesn't have the warmth and "fun" of RBR, Ferrari and/or Lotus.


RBR ...Warmth???? you sure about that

I guess it depends on who you ask. let's say you ask Webber, I doubt warmth is what he will describe it as

Edited by BernieEc, 15 February 2013 - 22:02.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 22:01

Also the fact that McLaren is a boring team with a boring lineup (for once - they've always used to have at the very least one marquee driver who made it interesting (Mika, Kimi, Montoya, LH, Alonso).


They still have.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 22:04

Fighting for championship is irrelevant. McLaren just doesn't have the warmth and "fun" of RBR, Ferrari and/or Lotus. It's more as a business than as a team.


The championship is irrelevant :confused: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Maybe because it's run as a damn good business its one of a very small number of teams not struggling to keep going.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 22:19

Fighting for championship is irrelevant. McLaren just doesn't have the warmth and "fun" of RBR, Ferrari and/or Lotus. It's more as a business than as a team.


I know what you are trying to say, its a certain "va va voom" or excitement certain sport teams have...McLaren are a team that almost try their possible best to not have that, and control everything....but their drivers in recent years, especially LH has ensured that this is not the case....
with their current line up, I agree its like the most boring but fairly solid driver combination you could pick on the current grid.
Also, I don't think the sudden surge of interest in Merc. is limited to this forum....
I'd bet camera time, commentator mentions and all sorts of metrics of the Mercs during GP weekends will increase across the board and the opposite will be the case for Mac this year.

Edited by bauss, 15 February 2013 - 22:20.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 22:21

I know what you are trying to say, its a certain "va va voom" or excitement certain sport teams have...McLaren are a team that almost try their possible best to not have that, and control everything....but their drivers in recent years, especially LH has ensured that this is not the case....
with their current line up, I agree its like the most boring but fairly solid driver combination you could pick on the current grid.
Also, I don't think the sudden surge of interest in Merc. is limited to this forum....
I'd bet camera time, commentator mentions and all sorts of metrics of the Mercs during GP weekends will increase across the board and the opposite will be the case for Mac this year.


Just look at the lead story on Autosport's website .... there have been more Merc/LH related stories than about any other team - and by a good distance.

#1327 Wingnut

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 22:38

Mercedes were always going to have an upswing in popularity because of Lewis, like him or loath him he makes headlines.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 22:53

A little nugget in an AMuS article about the W04

"Perhaps the sidepods will be reduced in size later. Mercedes is working with an American company that has developed a new cooling concept. At the moment there is a reliability risk. But if a breakthrough is achieved, the radiator can be reduced in size for the same heat output by 30 percent."

That's very interesting, some in this forum think side pods have to much attention on them :rotfl: mercades are in a fever lol.

Edited by F1hooked, 15 February 2013 - 22:57.


#1329 chumma

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 23:19

Fighting for championship is irrelevant. McLaren just doesn't have the warmth and "fun" of RBR, Ferrari and/or Lotus. It's more as a business than as a team.

Ferrari? What is fun about Ferrari? and Red Bull? McLaren make a bloody kids cartoon for goodness sake. I think its clear you have a strong dislike for McLaren but you don't need to deliberately make yourself a fool with such comments. It is a business for all the teams, and I thought Ferrari and RBR took the fun out of it when they decided to handicap their second drivers so they couldn't challenge the 'number 1s'

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 23:20

"Perhaps the sidepods will be reduced in size later. Mercedes is working with an American company that has developed a new cooling concept. At the moment there is a reliability risk. But if a breakthrough is achieved, the radiator can be reduced in size for the same heat output by 30 percent."

That's very interesting, some in this forum think side pods have to much attention on them :rotfl: mercades are in a fever lol.


I've seen you post in the Mclaren thread, want to grow up and stick to your team.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 23:26

I know what you are trying to say, its a certain "va va voom" or excitement certain sport teams have...McLaren are a team that almost try their possible best to not have that, and control everything....but their drivers in recent years, especially LH has ensured that this is not the case....
with their current line up, I agree its like the most boring but fairly solid driver combination you could pick on the current grid.
Also, I don't think the sudden surge of interest in Merc. is limited to this forum....
I'd bet camera time, commentator mentions and all sorts of metrics of the Mercs during GP weekends will increase across the board and the opposite will be the case for Mac this year.

With Ron at the helm maybe, but definitely not the case. McLaren is a very professional and corporate team, they are well presented and offer great exposure to their sponsors. I see excitement in what they do, maybe you should add some of their personnel on Twitter just to see how passionate some are, people forget Ron was at the head of the table for a long time and during the cold war in F1, its no wonder he was somewhat cold and gave nothing away, Ferrari were the same with Todt and now RBR are the ones putting up the barriers everywhere they go. Then again maybe im not bitter than Lewis didn't win the title last year like a heap of people, sure I was disappointed, but you win and lose as a team.

Off topic so apologies but it had to be said.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 23:48

I've seen you post in the Mclaren thread, want to grow up and stick to your team.

I'm just bring it to your attention, no need to get touchy.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:12

It's getting annoying that I come here to read about the car and there's a lot of barely related nonsense. There are threads for Lewis and for McLaren. :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:28

"Perhaps the sidepods will be reduced in size later. Mercedes is working with an American company that has developed a new cooling concept. At the moment there is a reliability risk. But if a breakthrough is achieved, the radiator can be reduced in size for the same heat output by 30 percent."

That's very interesting, some in this forum think side pods have to much attention on them :rotfl: mercades are in a fever lol.



About time really. Its not really acceptable to have a cooling package bigger than McLaren's when they use the same engine and are bettered by other smaller teams on the grid. Plus they have retained cooling gills which is bad for aero and few in the paddock still use them.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:35

Back on topic, this thread is about the development of the Mercedes W04. Thanks

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:30

Mercedes were always going to have an upswing in popularity because of Lewis, like him or loath him he makes headlines.


Exactly as the man he replaces.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:36

Back on topic, this thread is about the [u]development of the Mercedes W04[/b]. Thanks

Nice example. What they install at the rear usually doesn't work with the front and vice versa.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 13:48

Nice example. What they install at the rear usually doesn't work with the front and vice versa.


good one :up:

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 21:43

Brawn: we will test and compare different versions of the current solution and compare them to the one we used last year, using it as a reference. We've also looked into the red-bull version, though at the moment only as a CFD-simulation.



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 22:58

Brawn: we will test and compare different versions of the current solution and compare them to the one we used last year, using it as a reference. We've also looked into the red-bull version, though at the moment only as a CFD-simulation.


It could be a bad sign, that they don't know which direction to take.

#1341 jrg19

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 23:08

Yeah but testing is to find the best solution, could be the difference between points, podiums and wins.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 23:10

Yeah but testing is to find the best solution, could be the difference between points, podiums and wins.


That's true, a recent example was McLaren in 2011's testing and back to Australia they were on the first row.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 00:32

I met Ross today in Cornwall. He has a house down here. I asked him how this week had gone with all the data from Jerez. He looked quite smug and said 'very promising'

I also asked him about Lewis and the way the media try to knock him down at any opportunity. His reply was interesting. He intimated that he thought McLaren left Lewis out to dry at times

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 00:40

I met Ross today in Cornwall. He has a house down here. I asked him how this week had gone with all the data from Jerez. He looked quite smug and said 'very promising'

I also asked him about Lewis and the way the media try to knock him down at any opportunity. His reply was interesting. He intimated that he thought McLaren left Lewis out to dry at times


Awesome! From the way he was talking to you, how much faith would you put into the validity of the statement?
In other words, did he look like he was giving you a genuine reply?

#1345 SirT

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 00:43

It was 5 minute chat outside the bakery. I'm sure he says 'promosing' to most fans he meets! But he looked quite happy so let's see. He had a some expensive wine and champagne in a bag so who knows! :)



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Posted 17 February 2013 - 00:53

"Perhaps the sidepods will be reduced in size later. Mercedes is working with an American company that has developed a new cooling concept. At the moment there is a reliability risk. But if a breakthrough is achieved, the radiator can be reduced in size for the same heat output by 30 percent."

That's very interesting, some in this forum think side pods have to much attention on them :rotfl: mercades are in a fever lol.

You're going to keep running with that aren't you?

And you clearly missed the whole point of that 'discussion'(pfft) we had.

It is interesting if true, though.

Edited by Seanspeed, 17 February 2013 - 00:59.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 06:14

I met Ross today in Cornwall. He has a house down here. I asked him how this week had gone with all the data from Jerez. He looked quite smug and said 'very promising'

I also asked him about Lewis and the way the media try to knock him down at any opportunity. His reply was interesting. He intimated that he thought McLaren left Lewis out to dry at times


Isn't that his normal face?

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:10

Awesome! From the way he was talking to you, how much faith would you put into the validity of the statement?
In other words, did he look like he was giving you a genuine reply?


From what I've seen, everything Ross says is honest (as far as he can know). I know people in the team and what Ross conveys to the media are the same (albeit with less details) conclusions that he gives to the team.
i.e. if he says that they struggled because of overheating the tyres, that is exactly what the team think the problem is.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 15:16

I met Ross today in Cornwall. He has a house down here. I asked him how this week had gone with all the data from Jerez. He looked quite smug and said 'very promising'

I also asked him about Lewis and the way the media try to knock him down at any opportunity. His reply was interesting. He intimated that he thought McLaren left Lewis out to dry at times


Thanks. :up:

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 15:25

So guys whats the testing schedule this week,is it Lewis or Nico first.