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#1501 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:35

PLEASE NOTE:
This thread is not Lewis vs Nico. Nor is it a thread to discuss the drivers.
The personal attacks and discussion of other posters is not allowed.
This thread is for discussing the AMG Mercedes W04, not any other car or team.
This is not a thread for discussing testing, blow-by-blow commentary/discussion of testing is for the testing thread or http://live.autosport.com/

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#1502 Markn93

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:31

First pic of the car this morning - https://pbs.twimg.co...AN6_8.jpg:large

#1503 windtravels

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:43

First pic of the car this morning - https://pbs.twimg.co...AN6_8.jpg:large


we need a shot of the other side with all that flo viz - could be interesting.

#1504 BigCHrome

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:48

Yes a car can run underweight. I also at first thought the car looked underwhelming, especially the packaging at the back, but they've improved that to the level where it doesn't look like a problem to me. Right now my biggest concern is that they don't have the little tricks that Rb have and others are trying to copy.

I see some flowviz on those wings and sidepods!

#1505 Timstr11

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:55

we need a shot of the other side with all that flo viz - could be interesting.

https://pbs.twimg.co...Ahr6w.jpg:large

#1506 meddo

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:56

The only trick that they need is balanced aero, and that the mysterious Aldo Costa variable suspension geometry deliver. Rosberg will do the rest.

#1507 skid solo

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:04

This team has a history of being at it's best early. We'll see if they can build on that as fast as other teams usually do in season. I'll be interested to see if Hamilton can better Nico's best... he didn't last test despite an improving track.

BTW- I'm rapidly gaining respect for Alonso- I think his comments are spot on about Pirelli... something Schumacher complained about last year. There's a difference between degradation and life. I don't understand and certainly don't agree with a tire design with such variable grip levels. Especially during testing- your dealing with so many variables- why the heck NOT make a tire that is a constant at least for a set number of laps??? This crap with the tire offering diminishing grip levels after just one lap sucks! It turns races into tire management contests and takes away from what the sport should be... race cars.

Unfortunately there is a modern fan base in F1 that likes the show as it is. It's a discussion that's been going on since Pirelli came into the sport. I agree with you.

#1508 jrg19

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:26

https://pbs.twimg.co...Ahr6w.jpg:large


Where are the exhaust exits?

#1509 Timstr11

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:28

Where are the exhaust exits?

These are the 2012 non-Coanda exhausts.

#1510 jstrains

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:29

I guess here

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#1511 jrg19

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:30

But they are still running the coanda shape body work, looks like the exhaust could be pointing at the suspension.

#1512 jrg19

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:30

I guess here

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Yesterday, if you look in the mirror its Nico.

#1513 Markn93

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:39

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#1514 maverick69

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:39

Testing a non-coanda set-up:

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#1515 bauss

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:56

hmmm....is it a coincidence that they test this other exhaust setup and suddenly tire deg looks much better

#1516 TomNokoe

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:02

hmmm....is it a coincidence that they test this other exhaust setup and suddenly tire deg looks much better

my heart dropped a little when I read this, lets hope not!

#1517 jstrains

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:09

Yesterday, if you look in the mirror its Nico.


True true sorry, these are from today

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#1518 jrg19

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:10

:up: No worries, picture contribution across the forum is appreciated.

#1519 jrg19

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:44

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via andrewf1 on f1tech.

MP4 I just have an eye for detail  ;)

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#1520 windtravels

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:02

Not sure what to make of this non conda exhaust testing. Hopefully its just for a reference and doesnt stay on the car too long, as conda does seem to be the best way to go.

edit: apparently they switched back to conda already, so clearly using the other exhaust layout as a reference. actually you can see in some pics how they basically bolted on the upward facing exhausts to the conda bodywork.

Edited by windtravels, 20 February 2013 - 11:06.


#1521 BernieEc

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:37

mugshot of Merc

#1522 Markn93

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:41

Good amount of rake.

#1523 Obi Offiah

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:47

mugshot of Merc

Perhaps its just me, but have Pirelli changed the colour of the super soft tyre. That set looks more orange whereas in the past they were red.

#1524 10e10

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:39

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Mercedes new exhaust?

#1525 BoschKurve

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:47

It means the car isn't a dog and in the ballpark.


No, it doesn't actually mean that. We won't know what this car is capable of till we see it in qualifying and the actual races.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 14:58

Perhaps its just me, but have Pirelli changed the colour of the super soft tyre. That set looks more orange whereas in the past they were red.


Orange banding is the hard tyre. The super-soft is still red.

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#1527 windtravels

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 15:41

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Mercedes new exhaust?


no they were testing old exhaust layout as reference.

#1528 jrg19

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 16:27

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#1529 cooper

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 16:30

No flying lap on medium or soft tires today then.. Still the time set on the hard's was pretty good! Wonder if they didn't want to set a competitive time on soft just yet or it didn't fall into their programme

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 16:40

No flying lap on medium or soft tires today then.. Still the time set on the hard's was pretty good! Wonder if they didn't want to set a competitive time on soft just yet or it didn't fall into their programme


Probably both. :wave:

It really is getting very difficult not to be a little optimistic. I've already thought of a brilliant retort to those spewing the 'three kings/too many chiefs/cooks' kak. :p But now I'm getting waaaay ahead of myself.

#1531 SR388

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 16:42

Good number of laps today. Cant wait til Aus.

#1532 windtravels

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 16:46

Probably both. :wave:

It really is getting very difficult not to be a little optimistic. I've already thought of a brilliant retort to those spewing the 'three kings/too many chiefs/cooks' kak. :p But now I'm getting waaaay ahead of myself.


Haha, so true. Stupid optimistic brain.

#1533 cooper

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 16:53

Haha, so true. Stupid optimistic brain.

Very hard not to get optimistic, some good consistent times set today, fast time on the hards. Car is looking better reliability wise, high number of laps.. Certainly ticking some boxes but unfortunately we will know anything for sure until Q3 + Race in Oz..

So hard not to get excited!

#1534 race addicted

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 17:10

...so, was the 22.7 set on hards? Autosport didn't give tyre compounds today.

#1535 SR388

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 17:13

...so, was the 22.7 set on hards? Autosport didn't give tyre compounds today.


Yep!

#1536 windtravels

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 17:17

"We're just focusing on ourselves and working on our programme for the first race, and it's going in the right direction," said Hamilton.

"At the last test the tyres didn't behave so well because the car wasn't behaving so well. Here it's much better."

"It's so encouraging to see the amount of work that's going in and to see the atmosphere there and see how determined everyone is,"

"I've got a great group of guys behind me. I'm sure they've been working hard over the years, but I've only just arrived and immediately I see just a fantastic determination and effort going in. I hope it all pays off."

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 17:47

So far so good speed wise. I'm sure Mercedes will be one of the fastest car come qualifying as they have 2 great drivers in one lap but the real question mark over them is race pace of the car? Last year Mercedes was pretty quick in one lap pace as well, so we will see Lewis taking pole positions at his favourite tracks such as monaco,hungary,abu dhabi, probably monza but with these new tyres race pace will play more important role so they have a bit work to do on race pace which has been a headache for them for a few years

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 17:52

Can any long-time, or at least last season, fan of Mercedes enlighten me on what the get aways off the line were like? I can recall Schumacher doing some incredible stuff, but I recall a lot of it was to do with very clever positioning on lap 1. Did the drivers generally get good initial starts?

#1539 windtravels

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:07

Can any long-time, or at least last season, fan of Mercedes enlighten me on what the get aways off the line were like? I can recall Schumacher doing some incredible stuff, but I recall a lot of it was to do with very clever positioning on lap 1. Did the drivers generally get good initial starts?


As far as I remember merc were among the best starters last year.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:16

Can any long-time, or at least last season, fan of Mercedes enlighten me on what the get aways off the line were like? I can recall Schumacher doing some incredible stuff, but I recall a lot of it was to do with very clever positioning on lap 1. Did the drivers generally get good initial starts?


Never had problems with race-starts. On the contrary. Initial grip, and acceleration off the line was always excellent. I wold say though that it seems to be a given nowadays, and it is usually down to the driver to maximize the grip and torque, gain/keep position. MS usually had better starts than NR. But one thing I am fairly sure of: Merc has no disadvantage to anyone in that aspect.


#1541 KiloWatt

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:31

If memory serves me right, the W02 was very good off the line, especially in the hands of Schumacher. I don't recall the W03 being particularly good, but then again I don't recall it being particularly bad either.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:35

Never had problems with race-starts. On the contrary. Initial grip, and acceleration off the line was always excellent. I wold say though that it seems to be a given nowadays, and it is usually down to the driver to maximize the grip and torque, gain/keep position. MS usually had better starts than NR. But one thing I am fairly sure of: Merc has no disadvantage to anyone in that aspect.


I would agree with that. The initial traction on the Merc was pretty decent and they were rarely jumped at race starts. They usually got jumped within the stints. High traction tracks demonstrated their strength (Monaco).

That however does not mean it will be the same this year. The suspension has been revised in order to be more adjustable to accommodate tweaking in order to fix the tire issues.

We will just have to see what the revisions have in store for us this year.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:38

If memory serves me right, the W02 was very good off the line, especially in the hands of Schumacher. I don't recall the W03 being particularly good, but then again I don't recall it being particularly bad either.


Nope, Schumacher qualified often three or four spots lower than Rosberg, he had much troubles to get the tires working. The car had definitely more potential. He found himself in a situation at the start that cars around him were slower combined with his experience, he took wider lines, stayed out of trouble and gained a lot of positions at the start. But his starts were not incredible, his first lap were. I never thought the W02 was better than others cars from the line.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:54

...so, was the 22.7 set on hards? Autosport didn't give tyre compounds today.


Yep, but so was Perez's 1:21.8 wasn't it?

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:56

Yep, but so was Perez's 1:21.8 wasn't it?


No; his 1:21.8 was on the "SOFTS" (not Mediums) - ie. the softest compound.

Hamilton's lap was with the hardest compound ("HARD") and we know he had at least 8-10 laps of fuel.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:57

Yep, but so was Perez's 1:21.8 wasn't it?


Nope. soft

#1547 SR388

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:57

No; his 1:21.8 was on the "SOFTS" (not Mediums) - ie. the softest compound.

Hamilton's lap was with the hardest compound ("HARD") and we know he had at least 8-10 laps of fuel.


Would have been nice for Lewis to put in a glory run on softs.

#1548 BernieEc

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 18:59

Would have been nice for Lewis to put in a glory run on softs.

Why ??

#1549 slmk

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 19:00

Not an attempt at derailing the thread:

Here's a summary of the laptimes today... hope this answers your questions, PretentiousBread.

http://f1fullthrottl...elo-2013-dia-2/


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 19:09

http://www.motorspor...60//0473048.jpg Merc overhead

http://www.motorspor...ton/0473056.jpg Macca overhead

Look pretty damn similar from cockpit back. Think Mercedes have done an excellent job on this car and could quite well be in the hunt.