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#2051 Markn93

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:39

he is talking about 150 to 70 kilos, like we suspected, they've probably not run really light yet. I'm encouraged...

Yep, seems they've been running rather heavy the whole time, which has been in evidence with fastest times being set at the beginning of double digit lap stints, not to mention on hard tyres.

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#2052 Markn93

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:40

Hamilton: The mercedes is even better than mclaren in some areas

"Some things on the new car are even better than on my last car. I obviously wont tell you what exactly"

interesting

That's odd, he already said the engine was better, downforce not so much.

#2053 mattferg

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:45

I'll be staggered if they've actually made a decent car.

Lets be honest here, its been a total dog for the last 3 seasons, I really can't understand how after 3 years of trash they can turn it around so much? I guess time will tell


Every car on the grid is based on it's 2009 concept. You remember Mercedes' right? THE BGP-001? Yeah. Nuff said.

#2054 SR388

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:45

Hamilton: The mercedes is even better than mclaren in some areas

"Some things on the new car are even better than on my last car. I obviously wont tell you what exactly"

interesting


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#2055 dans79

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:46

That's odd, he already said the engine was better, downforce not so much.


I bet he is referring to mechanical grip. The last several Mclaren's seemed really "stiff", and the Mercedes cars has always appeared "flexible" to me.

Edited by dans79, 28 February 2013 - 18:46.


#2056 SR388

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:47

Every car on the grid is based on it's 2009 concept. You remember Mercedes' right? THE BGP-001? Yeah. Nuff said.


:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:


That makes no sense. The current cars are very different than the 2009 cars. Not necessarily in the rules but in the evolution of design.

#2057 femi

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:48

I bet he is referring to mechanical grip. The last several Mclaren's seemed really "stiff", and the Mercedes cars has always appeared "flexible" to me.


The news is the MP4-28 took the kerbs well and was not stiff. I think Mclaren have cured that characteristic.

#2058 Coral

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:49

He looks really happy, I like this! :up:


Me too! I haven't seen Lewis look as happy as this for a long time...he is the picture of happiness... positively beaming! I was very nervous about testing but it looks as if the Mercedes might be half-decent. I really hope so! :up:

#2059 MercPower

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:49

Woooop wooop Lewis looked gleaming in that interview!


Think just before the interview him, Ross and Paddy were having a good laugh about 2014 season

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#2060 Masenco

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:50

Hamilton: The mercedes is even better than mclaren in some areas

"Some things on the new car are even better than on my last car. I obviously wont tell you what exactly"

interesting


I'm guessing he's talking about the mechanical grip- which was largely evident even last year; but he makes it sound as if it is not an obvious thing so it might be something else.


#2061 SR388

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:50

Think just before the interview him, Ross and Paddy were having a good laugh about the next three seasons



Fixed it for you

#2062 MercPower

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:51

Fixed it for you


Thanks, it was a typo :)

#2063 Markn93

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:55

Rear looking nice and clean - http://www.formule1....62075136.95.jpg

#2064 BernieEc

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:57

That's odd, he already said the engine was better, downforce not so much.


Is it not the same engine???

#2065 Masenco

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:58

Is it not the same engine???


It is, but I've heard him say that aswell.
It means that there is a clear difference in being a works team and a customer team- all the more good news for 2014

#2066 femi

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 18:59

Rear looking nice and clean - http://www.formule1....62075136.95.jpg



You bet it does... real nice!

#2067 SR388

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:00

Rear looking nice and clean - http://www.formule1....62075136.95.jpg


New desktop. Thank you. I want one from that height of the full car.

#2068 rhukkas

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:00

i would suspect he would be referring to the engine and possibly the McLaren's tendency to lock the fronts which always seemed to be a feature. maybe because their apparent stiff front end.

#2069 Markn93

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:01

New desktop. Thank you. I want one from that height of the full car.

Ha same, I love those top down views of the cars.

#2070 Smitla321

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:01

Rear looking nice and clean - http://www.formule1....62075136.95.jpg


Those guide vanes on the rear floor will surely be further integrated into the car and will hopefully be a prominent part of the upcoming upgrade. I think that is an area that can be exploited a lot more.

Edited by Smitla321, 28 February 2013 - 19:03.


#2071 mlsnoopy

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:02

Rear looking nice and clean - http://www.formule1....62075136.95.jpg


Next step must be getting rid of the gills.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:03

Hamilton: The mercedes is even better than mclaren in some areas

"Some things on the new car are even better than on my last car. I obviously wont tell you what exactly"

interesting

I guess traction,Mclaren was too stiff.

#2073 femi

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:03

Is it not the same engine???


Talking about engines, Merc and Mclaren share the same engine spec. I suspect that will change should Mclaren decides to stay with Merc for their engines by this I mean the
equality of privilege that Mclaren currently enjoys will be gone.

#2074 SR388

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:04

What are those two bubbles on the floor to the right of each cardboard looking bit?

#2075 femi

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:05

What are those two bubbles on the floor to the right of each cardboard looking bit?


You took that question right out of my jaw.

#2076 BigCHrome

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:05

Hamilton said that the engine was the strong point of the car, not that it was superior to the one in the McLaren.

#2077 molpid

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:08

another rear shot

#2078 Trust

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:10

Hamilton said that the engine was the strong point of the car, not that it was superior to the one in the McLaren.

I think even he doesn't know what he said. But you get used to it over the years...

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:11

What are those two bubbles on the floor to the right of each cardboard looking bit?


That should be temperature sensors.

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#2080 Coops3

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:12

My [mostly unfounded] prediction is that the car will be okay. Similar to last year, I think it'll be good at the start of the season but then trail off, though not as badly as last year.

#2081 femi

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:13

Hamilton said that the engine was the strong point of the car, not that it was superior to the one in the McLaren.


True, but I was talking about the next engine contract - if Mclaren decides to stay with Merc. Remember that the existing contract was in place when Mclaren was Mercedes works' team, Mclaren also had to agree before Merc started supporting GP Brawn (they must now be kicking themselves for that). In the environment that will govern the next contract, that relationship will no longer exist. They will be direct competitors.

There will be no gain for Merc to grant Mclaren equal treatment.

#2082 kedia990

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:13

What are those two bubbles on the floor to the right of each cardboard looking bit?


Even McLaren has those on its floor. At almost the same spot. Although I have no idea what they're for. :p

#2083 kedia990

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:18

True, but I was talking about the next engine contract - if Mclaren decides to stay with Merc. Remember that the existing contract was in place when Mclaren was Mercedes works' team, Mclaren also had to agree before Merc started supporting GP Brawn (they must now be kicking themselves for that). In the environment that will govern the next contract, that relationship will no longer exist. They will be direct competitors.

There will be no gain for Merc to grant Mclaren equal treatment.


Umm hold that thought, a lil speculation here...
What IF Merc declines to provide McLaren engines in the near future (say after lapse of existing contract). McLaren won't go to Ferrari (McLaren-Ferrari, LOOOOL), Renault won't supply them any (hell, they have enough teams already, and the reigning champions are their adopted works team), Cosworth is up in smoke... What's McLaren's out??

#2084 BernieEc

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:18

Even McLaren has those on its floor. At almost the same spot. Although I have no idea what they're for. :p


oh oh..has Paddy been smuggling stuff out already :)

#2085 kedia990

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:21

oh oh..has Paddy been smuggling stuff out already :)


Bubblegate :lol: You heard it here first. :smoking:

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:24

Couple more pics:

http://www.f1fanatic...02/IMG_0625.jpg - good angle of tightened rear.
http://www.f1fanatic...02/IMG_0561.jpg

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:24

Umm hold that thought, a lil speculation here...
What IF Merc declines to provide McLaren engines in the near future (say after lapse of existing contract). McLaren won't go to Ferrari (McLaren-Ferrari, LOOOOL), Renault won't supply them any (hell, they have enough teams already, and the reigning champions are their adopted works team), Cosworth is up in smoke... What's McLaren's out??


If those are the only thee engine suppliers (but I don't think they will be) McLaren would go with one of them. I highly doubt Merc would stop supplying engines to McLaren if McLaren need them.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:28

If those are the only thee engine suppliers (but I don't think they will be) McLaren would go with one of them. I highly doubt Merc would stop supplying engines to McLaren if McLaren need them.


When was the last time, two teams using the same engine closely competed for the titles? And I mean properly... 2012 Lotus and RBR were far apart. If I built an engine and another team using it was getting in my way of winning the title (which hasnt been the case with Mercedes so far), I'd ask them to sod off and buy from elsewhere. What say?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:31

Even McLaren has those on its floor. At almost the same spot. Although I have no idea what they're for. :p



Tyre temperature sensors...using contactless IR technology

#2090 MercPower

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:33

I guess traction,Mclaren was too stiff.


Yep, think traction on the Merc is alot better if not one of the best - Monaco was a good indicator


#2091 femi

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:34

If those are the only thee engine suppliers (but I don't think they will be) McLaren would go with one of them. I highly doubt Merc would stop supplying engines to McLaren if McLaren need them.



I agree, Merc makes money out of Mclaren for a change. Besides, I don't think Bernie will let Mclaren be left out in the cold.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:35

Just been watching todays action in 3D and have to say the Merc looks a lot better in 3D than in pictures online, very sculped.

#2093 scheivlak

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:36

When was the last time, two teams using the same engine closely competed for the titles? And I mean properly... 2012 Lotus and RBR were far apart.

After the Italian GP Raikkonen still lead both RBR drivers, so they weren't that far apart until quite late in the season.

As for your first question: I think 1995 (though McLaren still had a late charge in 2009).

#2094 Masenco

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:38

When was the last time, two teams using the same engine closely competed for the titles? And I mean properly... 2012 Lotus and RBR were far apart. If I built an engine and another team using it was getting in my way of winning the title (which hasnt been the case with Mercedes so far), I'd ask them to sod off and buy from elsewhere. What say?


I'm sure they've drawn up the contracts in a way which stops them from doing that without a certain number of months' advanced notice.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:40

Umm hold that thought, a lil speculation here...
What IF Merc declines to provide McLaren engines in the near future (say after lapse of existing contract). McLaren won't go to Ferrari (McLaren-Ferrari, LOOOOL), Renault won't supply them any (hell, they have enough teams already, and the reigning champions are their adopted works team), Cosworth is up in smoke... What's McLaren's out??


There's the speculation about a return of Honda:

McLaren also have a headache with their engine supplier, Mercedes. Next year Mercedes, making their own engines, will have a massive advantage and so will Ferrari and Red Bull (Renault).

McLaren will consider another engine option in 2014 or 2015. And that could well mean a return to Honda, renewing a partnership that served them so well in the era of Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost.

http://www.guardian....ren?INTCMP=SRCH


This would be surely the best option for McLaren. If Honda doesn't enter as a racing team again, but only as engine supplier, maybe they'd even go into a preferred partnership with McLaren, like Merc used to have it. However they'd have to start developing the engines fast now, 2014 is not long away.

But if Honda doesn't come back, then McLaren really has a problem... And Merc a nice advantage. :)



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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:43

There's the speculation about a return of Honda:



This would be surely the best option for McLaren. If Honda doesn't enter as a racing team again, but only as engine supplier, maybe they'd even go into a preferred partnership with McLaren, like Merc used to have it. However they'd have to start developing the engines fast now, 2014 is not long away.

But if Honda doesn't come back, then McLaren really has a problem... And Merc a nice advantage. :)


Honda would have to have being working on the engine the last year?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:44

But if Honda doesn't come back, then McLaren really has a problem... And Merc a nice advantage. :)


Yep, even I looked at the Honda angle, and it would work out very well for both McLaren & Honda. But I seriously think that they need to start considering an alternative to Mercedes HPE.

#2098 Mc_Silver

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 19:45

I don't think we will see McLaren-Honda relationship before 2015 at least. McLaren will run Mercedes engines in 2014.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 21:07

True, but I was talking about the next engine contract - if Mclaren decides to stay with Merc. Remember that the existing contract was in place when Mclaren was Mercedes works' team, Mclaren also had to agree before Merc started supporting GP Brawn (they must now be kicking themselves for that). In the environment that will govern the next contract, that relationship will no longer exist. They will be direct competitors.

There will be no gain for Merc to grant Mclaren equal treatment.


True, but I'm sure the FIA has things in place to protect privateers from junky engines. McLaren won't have a say in engine development, but I think they will have the same spec engines as the works team.

Umm hold that thought, a lil speculation here...
What IF Merc declines to provide McLaren engines in the near future (say after lapse of existing contract). McLaren won't go to Ferrari (McLaren-Ferrari, LOOOOL), Renault won't supply them any (hell, they have enough teams already, and the reigning champions are their adopted works team), Cosworth is up in smoke... What's McLaren's out??


It doesn't make sense for Mercedes to cut them out because they are still, at the end of the day, a competent team that can give them exposure with good results. It's also better for Mercedes to have more engines running and collecting data for development.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 21:14

[...] However they'd have to start developing the engines fast now, 2014 is not long away.

But if Honda doesn't come back, then McLaren really has a problem... And Merc a nice advantage. :)


Tbh I've no clue about engineering engines, but <12 months to build a F1 engine (plus all that energy recovery stuff surrounding it) from scratch seems a little short... considering others are working on those units for long and even have them running on their benches for quite a while.

/Edit: just noticed that's a little off-topic.... talking about a possible McLaren-Honda connection in Mercedes-AMG 2013 W04 thread :x

Edited by r4mses, 28 February 2013 - 21:16.